Tuesday, 15 June 2010

From Cradle to Grave

Imagine if you will a system that creates prejudice, class hatred, loss of reality and an absence of love. Now imaging immersing a child into that system, for life.

During my recent electoral campaign in Cambridge, I came up against just such a system of child cruelty. It's called the professional Politician. Born and bred to follow one single path, regardless of the cost and it's a pantomime.

First, the child is ignored by it's parents and farmed out to a stranger to "care" for it until it is old enough to attend a grand public school, where firstly it is bullied and then taught to bully. It is taught to regard itself as superior in every way. It is provided servants, grown men in antiquated uniforms and taught any number of ridiculous rules and regulations designed to keep dissent to a minimum.

Then the child attends a grand University where the same traditions apply. Grown men in antiquated uniforms open and close doors for them. Strange rituals and secret societies are de riguer. Huge oak doors and echoing architecture reminds them of their place in this world.

Then they follow a grown man in an antiquated uniform into another grand architecture to watch a woman in an antiquated uniform make some speech or other and hang their coats on the lower peg as usual, join secret societies and are taught the numerous bizarre rules and regulations of their new "school", Parliament. (eg. It is illegal to die in the House of Lords)

Then it's more dressing up in antiquated uniforms and putting your coat on the upper peg in the Lords.

It's a pantomime of life, specifically designed to remove individuality, love, affection and humanity and instill complete obedience and authority. I give you Eton, Kings College Cambridge and Parliament. Absolutely guaranteed to fuck up the life of any human being. In any other country, it would be classed as child cruelty.

In our country, it's how we get our leaders. No wonder they hate us so much.


Kings, Cambridge


Just wait till I get started on the Judiciary


The Penguin said...

Once upon a time being an MP paid fuck-all and so becoming a politician was not a quick way to riches but a public service open only to those who had already carved out a successful career somewhere. Sucj folk brought a wealth of ability and experience with them.

Rather different now, and so we have a venal bunch of crooks and incompetent wankers.

The Penguin.

concrete pump said...

Do you know any children who went to Eton? - i do.
They fucking loved it.

"I give you Eton, Kings College Cambridge and Parliament. Absolutely guaranteed to fuck up the life of any human being."

The Parliament bit i can understand, but Eton....really?

Jackart said...

Yeah... I loved boarding school too. And I didn't have servants. Nor was I taught to bully. Instead, because I had to share a room with half a dozen others, I learned the art of compromise and negotiation early rather than having fawning parents administering to my every whim.

This class-war tripe could easily have been written by someone from the labour party.

Can do better, Old Holborn.

John R said...

And yet the House of Lords, who you would think would be even more badly affected by their upper class backgrounds according to your hypothesis, are the ones that helped keep back the rising tide of illiberal filth issuing from the House of Conmen in recent years. So all is not as it seems.

Old Holborn said...

My argument being do we really need a Parliament based on an antiquated school system?

Schools are rarely known for "democracy" are they?

Ampers said...

Although I disagree with OH here, mainly because I believe in meritocracy, I have to admit, he puts a seemingly strong and very interesting case. Especially the photographs at the end.

Perhaps, like so many lowlife in street gangs, we should concentrate in having a go at unloving selfish parents - of all classes.

I have friends in all classes, from the extreme upper classes to the working classes, and they are all happy, cheerful, positive minded, honest, and if several of us meet, all get along with each other.

Not sure what this proves, but it has ended my dislike of classes in general.

Flashman said...

Well I went to Eton and there is a load of truth in what OH says. I've also got a couple of nephews now at Winchester. They were told on their first day that if they had any sort of problem, they should NOT tell their parents but should confide in their housemaster. I wonder if the school learnt this approach to pastoral care from the catholic church.

But what is the alternative? Ban private education? If the gov has control of all education I can only see more lefty/green/pc brainwashing for the children (or "kids" as we now call them).

bofl said...

anyone can become a politician....

but we seem to have a bunch of ego based twats that say they they will 'serve' but in fact want to inflict their views upon the rest of us....

living their whole lives according to a doctrine they read or heard somewhere......lives with little or no experience and without one solitary original thought.

this is why we have overgrown schoolboys like balls and brown who
talk about fairness yet do not realise that life is,in many ways,unfair.

ie. we all have different abilities.

many of them think because they have an 'ology' (trotter) they are in some way special. do they not have books on manners,grace,humility and psychology at our schools?

'severe control defence' would be a good summation of our politicians mindsets-yet they do not seem to have sufficient brainpower or understanding to see their own shortcomings. still- i suppose that wisdom is not acquired in text books.

having people with no life experience,no business experience and no social skills has led us to such a lovely place hasn't it?

Billy Blofeld said...

Winston Churchill:

"We shape our buildings; thereafter they shape us"

The buildings and atmosphere create a sense of entitlement and superiority within their inhabitants. Also presumably an urge to play soggy biscuit.

Catflap said...

The trouble is OH that in comparison to most other countries,that Model worked.
Not perfect I agree but it worked as well,if not better as anything else designed by man politicly speaking.
Hundreds of years in the making.
The lead boots of tradition served a purpose.
The buildings themselves are designed to remind those who pass through them where they fit in history.
Politicians are going to reflect the society that produced them.
The same society which has been thumbing its nose at tradition for the last 60 years coincidently.

JD said...

MMy upbringing until I escaped to art school at 16. Things got better after that. JD.

Rebel Saint said...

It's always easy to make a quick score by making out things to be 'antiquated'. After all, surely everyone wants to be on the side of the 'new' and 'progressive' and 'reforming' and the 'modern'?

Well, I'm not quite so sure any more.

Why is it that the House of Lords seems to make more common sense decision than the HoC? Is it because they have a sense of history ... that they are but minor players in a long line of succession? That indeed, the wooden doors will still be there when they & their grandchildren are long gone. That the "antiquated costumes" remind them it is not about them or some current fad or whimsy but about fulfilling an important historical office - leaving things intact & improved for the next generation.

The best argument I've ever heard in favour of Hereditary peers is the fact that they want to leave things in a better state for the next generation - not just for the next election.

Rituals & ceremonies can certainly become empty shams. But if the history of why we do them is transmitted to the next generation as well as the method of how to do them they provide incredibly powerful, humbling lessons about our place in the world. And humility is what is often lacking.

I would much rather our heirs & leaders were trained in the magnificent historical halls that you picture than in some characterless, prefabricated monstrosity that will not last more than a generation.

hereward said...

Is that the same King's College Cambridge that takes over 80% of its students from state education and is informal to the point of being achingly 'right on' about it?

Old Holborn said...

come come now Rebel. when do you think Big Ben was actually built?

"Members are not allowed to have their hands in their pockets"

"Hats must not be worn"

"Members may take snuff instead and the doorkeepers still keep a snuff-box for this purpose"

"Swords may not be worn in the Palace, and each MP has a loop of ribbon in the cloakroom for storing weapons."

I don't want to be ruled by ancient customs or institutions.

Remember, Eton came first. Do we REALLY need to be ruled by an overgrown boarding school? Are we such...well...children?

Old Holborn said...


Originally, the college was to be specifically for boys from Eton College. It was not until 1865 that the first non-Etonian undergraduates arrived to study at King's

In general, the atmosphere at King's is considered to be a little easier than that of other colleges to integrate into if you come from a working class or minority background. Having said this, a survey conducted by Varsity Newspaper in January 2009 revealed that the average parental income of students at King's is significantly higher than that of most other Cambridge students

Ron Broxted said...

I'm all for keeping traditional practices it keeps the lower orders in their rightful place. These seemingly meaningless and outmoded practices are to confuse the plebs. The same was when decent restaurants always had their menu's in French. Once again it kept the mongs out, that is unless they were French mongs.
What's with this sudden swerve towards communism and deleting comments OH? Things not right at home or was it because Cambridge rejected you? I think your readers should be told.

Old Holborn said...

No Ron, having been through the "Parliamentary" process, I now see it for the sham it is and am interested in why exactly we allow it to persist. I think it's because we are all afriad of the Headmaster.

I only ever delete your comments when you persist in not taking your medication and yours are the only comments I ever delete. Feel free to take your inane homosexual ramblings to Iain Dales site. See how you get on there.

Ron Broxted said...

I can still remember at the age of seven my father dropping me off at my boarding school one cold misty September day. His parting words were 'see you at Christmas, try not to get buggered too much'
The greatest thing about my educational experience was that it taught me to survive in prison, and never trust a man in a gown. Matron was nice and wore a rubber apron.

Leather Apron said...

To be honest I don't care what school anyone went to, how often they did or didn't play soggy biscuit or how privileged they are (deemed to be). I just want them to be honest, and to listen and act appropriately.

My guess is that a far greater percentage of public school boys and girls are of the required level of intelligence to do the job, compared to comprehensive school wankers like me.

I don't agree with you snobbery on this one OH, nor do I have an issue with some quaint old traditions still being observed.

Fact is anyone can have a go, but most of us don't actually want the job.

Ron Broxted said...

OH, how sweet, I am glad you now appear to realise that elections and Parliamentary process are just a sham. The country has always been run by those who also know this. The Royal family are the fake cherry atop the three tier cake of mass deception. I must now away to the gym pump some iron.

Old Holborn said...

"Fact is anyone can have a go"

But the institution is designed and still runs using the procedures and rules from when not everyone was allowed a go.

My point entirely

Old Holborn said...

Ron, I was born and remain a republican

There is no higher authority over me, than me

Ron Broxted said...

OH, As was Cromwell, but then he became unpopular by banning Christmas and mince pies with the result the unwashed masses gave him two fingers in favour of a Royal fop, see the plebs like a circus. Have you any idea how many plebs benefit from tradition, both in the manufacture of outmoded uniforms, costumes, shoes the list is endless. Then there are all the minions who feel privileged to live on subsistence wages because they are a footman or a royal toothbrush or backstairs fluff remover?
But they are ever so loyal govnor!

Leather Apron said...

Sorry, I don't see how or why the traditions of the house stops anyone from any background doing the job.

You get a salary, expenses, staff etc so you don't have to be landed gentry to perform the tasks required.

Doesn't really cost much to get your name on the ballot paper. You just need a good message and the voters will follow you (or not in your case!).

How many of the current intake actually take the snuff offered after all?!?

Some silly old traditions and laws are admirable, like the one about it being legal to shoot a Scotsman with a bow and arrow if he's caught in the open in York. What's not to like?

Kinderling said...

The Boarding School system of rejected young children, engineered their Dissociation of Affection and through buggery developed a pseudo personality of covering up an asperger-like stunted emotional development.

These are disturbed people who are ruthless, and sell off our state secrets, loyal only to themselves aka Philby, Burgess & Blunt.

The House of Lords were once Land-Owners and by default their loyalty to themselves benefited our loyalty to our country. The hereditary peer was to our favour.

Now they are a self-seeking political class, loyal only to the prevailing forces, those being today of Socialism and Islam. Quislings. Cowards weak before the strong and strong before the weak.

"Change" denotes positive affirmations for them; for a child facing puberty, secondary school, adulthood has the State ready with vast funding at these moments to explain why it is good to dismiss personal ownership of body, mind and soul, those times children form a sense of self. A Communist society.

Dennis said...

It all to do with tradition but not the tradition of education, although that does get caught up in it.
It is the tradition of money, wealth.
Who are the people currently.... issuing the orders?...trying to stop credit from becoming worthless?...making up whitewash reports?...."advising" politicians and creating them.
Yes, that's right, the members of the City of London mafia. Lord this and Sir that.
Only a massive revolution will alter it.

Old Holborn said...


Old Holborn said...

Dennis, I think you mean "the masters"?

Anonymous said...

This is funny to see OH and you boys all-fired-up about the state getting out of your lives - just keep the barbarians off the shoreline and the crims off the streets.

A few very short months ago you could read his posts about those vile Yanks who don't provide health insurance for the entire population or adequate bennies for the masses in suitable amounts like you civilized brits.

unny stuff!

Captain Haddock said...

Leaving aside the Public Schools part (that's another can of worms entirely) ..

I have to disagree with OH concerning "Tradition" etc ..

Its the fact that we observe, practice & are proud of our ancient traditions which make us what we are .. Uniquely British with a history & culture worth celebrating ..

Take, for just one example the British Military .. Regimental traditions engender a sense of Esprit de Corps, a feeling that the Regiment is "family", a sense of pride (in that "your" Regiment has some tradition, therefore some history) .. Something of which the members of that Regiment can feel justly proud ..

Other Nation's Armed Forces do their damndest to emulate the British Military "way" .. I wonder why ?

Other Nations have no history (to speak of) so they constantly try to re-write history .. casting themselves in a favourable light ..

Our very National identity is steeped in tradition .. something which, despite repeated efforts by those who are too childish to recognise it for what it is and seek to stamp it out of existence, continues to shine bright ..

Yes, some of the associated apparel is anachronistic in "modern" terms .. But its what that apparel represents & the history behind it which counts ..

Lose that & we'll never recover it .. much to the delight of those who seek to create a homogenous, all lumped-together, easier to control world ..

Fausty said...

My younger son got a Class One degree in astrophysics at Cambridge and it certainly altered his view of the world for the better.

While he now has a more left wing view (which I'm working on), he is a thinker (and always has been but Cambridge developed that trait). A Cambridge education is cream, without doubt.

Let's not knock what is good.

Old Holborn said...

Don't confuse tradition with useless pomp.

Witch doctors are very quaint with bones through their noses and rattling shredded mongoose skull over you but I wouldn't count on it to cure your pneumonia. For that, you need a modern hospital and drugs.

caesars wife said...

Bit unfair on Elizabethan Gothic archtecture which is more thoughfull than glass/concrete carbuncles .

I think this not really paying homage to the pre computer age methods of running the country or for that matter trading empire.

Most civilisations have a ruling elite , Rome , Spain , the German Riech , even dear old Sweden , and so society was ordered on the manual skills and educated ones , the educated ones useually collecting a premium .In roman times you had tutors , post roman it was the abbeys and monestaries .

If you want Baz man who is a self taught mechanic to run the country and decide matters of national interest , I doubt very much you would be happy with the result .

Disliking one form of education to produce talented individuals who believe they can run the country isnt so bad , I mean Imagine not doing it .

In having a go at the cruelty of this system in that it pushes them out of parental care , ergo you must believe that family plays an important role in bringing kids up properly , to function as adults . I agree with you OH family is important , not perfect perhaps , but a pretty good foundation.

As for if it is cruel , there are some who no doubt turn from the austerity and want there kids to do feng shi and arts as they hated it and felt it lacked the benefit of the loving approach .
But history wise , I would disagree with you as it has created one the best and longstanding nations on the planet .

I could name other countries where as soon as you get off the plane the difference is marked and you might be greatfull that you have the freedoms of the UK , to think as you please .

Still not impressed ?: I wish to make a little more progress.

Whilst the drug fuelled lives of some of our elites (if pop stars are not them as well) and many a nobled upperclass must be grieved by tarquins love of crack cocain and chancey sexual partners , these failures alone should not lose sight of the brave men and women who have taken the more upright road , some have fought and died on the front line of battle , some have been patrons of oganisations that would not have otherwise existed. Some value there place in society .

Its a bit unfair to blame a system that has tried to turn out people to make our country better , it can get too clubby and like only its own sound and kind and then it has to undergo reform and examination of its self .

The other thing that this post begs , is that if not this order is suitable for you, then what order , trial by combat ?, lottery cabinet .

CW view is so long as the network can sort out its ner do wells and phycophants and corrupts and fuction for the good of the country , its may not quite as bad as you suggest.

newsnight 10:30 get your rotten veg out , or javelins and longbows as promoted by fawkes

Dave said...

Nice try OH but I don't buy it.

You need patronage to get on in politics but it's not all from the right. You have the unions and the Righteous.
You confuse architecture with tradition

Old Holborn said...

Dave, well done

I now give you Mandelson and Prescott, both of whom refused their peerages.

Do not be seduced by architecture

stimarco said...
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Old Holborn said...


Even though you have deleted your comment, I agree

We do not need MPs.

We simply wake up every morning, decide what needs to be changed, decide what needs to be kept and do it.

After all, we've been here for two million years. Without MPs. And we're fucking good at it.

stimarco said...

OH (and others):

I've been reading this blog for a while and it seems to me that what you want is a meritocracy, where the people in charge happen to agree with your own views on how a country should be run. (Good luck with that.)

Unfortunately, 90% of the population of every country is crud. (Sturgeon's Law.) As raw material goes, the people of the UK simply aren't that good at electing people who know what the hell they're doing, because there's no way for the public to measure their abilities.

There's no 'training' mode for politics, unless you sincerely believe that running a country is exactly the same thing as running a business. In which case, you can bet your arse than any successful businessman would sneer with contempt at an MP's pay.

MPs are, by definition, like the teaching cliché: "those who can't." They're mediocre. Unsuccessful.

The crappiest of the crud. The nonentity's mediocrity.

And most people know this now. Our education system and satirical TV shows have been hammering home this very fact into the population's heads since the 1960s.

Unless radical changes are made—and I'm not talking about minor tweaks to the electoral system here—*nothing will change*.

We need to reinvent politics. Change it so that it works, and encourages the best of the best to get involved. Running a country should be an aspirational goal for the talented, not something a failed banker drops into because it's better than sweeping the streets.

Fausty said...

It's not just tradition, thoughm, Holby. It's very sound education - almost without equal. My son had 3 tutors and was one of three in his 'class'. He therefore had a virtual 1-to-1 tuition ratio!

The discourse was far superior to that which I recall from my uni - so much so that the latter seems almost shabby.

The quality of an Oxbridge education is so far beyond the rest that it's not surprising that it's so highly valued.

Anonymous said...

This country loves their tradition.

Clinging like grim death to the past, because they have nothing to offer the present or future.

Anonymous said...

Old H I am surprised that you reply to Troll Haslam. REZ 7978 Grey VW. Unmarked PSNI. Not any more;)

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