Thursday, 10 June 2010

Education, Learning and Skool

With every government comes a new education system for our children as a few dozen Parliamentarians decide that their version of how to create a model citizen is better than the last version.

Millions of innocent lives are blighted forever as social experiments crash and burn, trillions of taxpayers money is thrown into the black hole of State Education with little or no regard for the outcome and Lordships awarded for the ones who do the least damage.

The latest Government is about to undertake another massive "experiment" with the lives of our children safe in the knowledge that they only have to pick up the glory if it works, not the blame if it fails. We'll have that to worry about if it does with unemployment, crime and poverty, not them. They'll be sitting in the Lords with a golden pension, bank account stuffed and CCTV on their expensive homes whilst we put bars on our own windows to protect ourselves from monosyllabic ferals with no hope of ever functioning as a rounded human being. No wonder Diane Abbott sent her kid to a private school.

So why do we always do it? Why do we always fiddle with the system? We KNOW what the successful system is, we used to have it here before we gave a few dozen politicians the chance to play God with our kids futures. Remember the following:

Posh Independent

Technical College

Put bluntly, the brightest kids went to Eton, smart kids went to Grammar and the mongs went to the Comp.

Brainboxes went to University, technically good kids went to tech and normal kids went to Poly. It worked.

Industry and commerce knew exactly where to find the people it needed and we flourished. We made things. Ships, cars, aircraft. We produced Scientists, Engineers, creatives and entrepreneurs. The rebels could study art and many of them did exceptionally well at it. We ruled the world in fashion, music, photography, film making and art.


The Germans have an excellent education system because Politicians can't get their hands on it. It is based on three types of school.

The Gymnasium is designed to prepare pupils for university education and finishes with the final examination, Abitur, after grade 12 or 13.
The Realschule has a broader range of emphasis for intermediate pupils and finishes with the final examination, Mittlere Reife, after grade 10
The Hauptschule prepares pupils for vocational education and finishes with the final examination, Hauptschulabschluss, after grade 9 or 10

See that? And what does Germany produce? Cars, ships, power stations, railways, aircraft, infrastructure. No fucking about in Germany. If you're thick, no WAY are you going to University to study to become a Nail Technician. You'll do an apprenticeship at 17 that will pay pretty much bugger all and then you'll get a job that will keep you and your family fed for life. We used to do the same here until the Socialists decided that was not the way to a progressive future.

And all because Germany has the courage to say to it's citizens

You're smart, you're average and you're thick. Don't worry, we have something for all of you
And most of all, they keep their education system away from the clutches of Politicians. Their kids are far too important for a few dozen idiots to ruin. It's time we learned to be honest with our population again. We OWE it to them.

Whilst we import German cars, kitchens and machines because they are so fucking excellent, I can see no better argument for a return to sanity in our education system. Who knows, in 30 years, the Germans might be buying our cars whilst they push bits of imaginary paper around a banking system for a living.

For info: OH's kids study for the International Baccalaureate,
not A levels.


Ampers said...

Well said.

This government has created a precedent... They have a separate body for budgets I think.

Now create a separate body to set out the educational principles we should follow for ever.

Our present system has produced average and thick, we have no "bright" The leaders of the coalition went to Oxbridge as have all the contenders for the Labour leadership. I rest my case.


Marchamont Needham said...

But most of all, dumbing down the exams has taught our children that they can achieve without having to put the hard work in.

J MacFarlane said...

Is that school in Luton? Are the Muslims to blame? Is Betty cheating with Mr Kajangu?

Pot Kettle Black said...

I agree with you broadly ... but it isn't quite like that. Economics does come into it.

There are academically talented children languishing in some horrendous comps & some awfully-nice-but-dims in Eton simply because they can afford to be.

Now I'm not for "diversity quotas" (spit ... I hate even saying the words), and I don't want to sound like a socialist but there must surely be some way of ensuring that our best talent isn't hindered by their economic situation. Grants, scholarships, bursaries etc.

There was absolutely no need to call everything that provides post 18 education a university.

As it says in The Incredibles, "If everyone's special then nobody's special"

Swiss Bob said...

OH, that's you in line for a payout if I remember correctly.

Anonymous said...

Put bluntly, the brightest kids went to Eton as well as quite a lot of rich thick kids.

Germany may have a good education system but it doesn't allow homeschooling. If you want to homeschool your kids, you have to apply for asylum in the US or somewhere (otherwise watch out for the EU arrest warrant)

The IB is bullshit, unless your kids are thick. If they are thick but work hard, they will get a decent grade such as mostly 5s and a few 6s, which would equate to BCC in A-level terms but will be regarded much more highly by universities (outside the UK anyway).

However, the IB requires a lot more effort for little reward. If your kids have any brains they should have just done A-levels and easily got 5 As (or more if they can be bothered). They could then learn more useful stuff in their spare time. Honestly, NOBODY gives a crap how well you did at school once you're in university / polytechnic (as long as you don't drop out). If you don't go to uni, you did shit at school anyway, and either you're going to technical college or people can judge your success using other criteria such as how rich you are after starting your own business.

Catflap said...

Nail on the head OH.
This one size fits all comp bollocks has retarded social mobility in the UK.
Myself and most of my age group I know,have all done worse in life than our parents.
That includes nearly all the parents who didn't go to university as well.
The class of 83 I was in, fell way way short of it's potential.
Thanks a lot Shirley Williams you fucking Slag.
I hope you get arse raped in your bed by a Comp educated fucktard.

Old Holborn said...

The reasons for them doing the IB is that they were all born in either France or Germany and expect to attend Uni there rather than mixing it with somali ganstas studying degrees in rap techniques at Braintree University.

For info, I don't have a degree but am a fully qualified butcher amongst other things.

Gallimaufry said...

The 1944 Butler Act established a tripartitite system in England, Wales & northern Ireland. Unfortunately, lack of cash and suitable teachers meant that very few secondary technical schools were set up. That meant that schools were either grammar or secondary modern and so many children didn't get their appropriate level of education.

Demetrius said...

With hindsight the boat was missed in Macmillan's time. Between 1959 and 1964 a robust structure could have been put in place but Mac wasn't interested in Education. When the numbers took off all Labour could do in 1965 was to fudge the issue.

Anonymous said...

i don't live in britain anymore thank god. the education system is abysmal unless you have a private tutor or are rich enough to be educated beyond your ability.

i had always known there was something very, very wrong with my schooling. the maths teachers explained zilch, algebraic transposition was never explained, the english teacher whilst being extremely engaging and enthusiastic never taught us grammar. history was a haphazard affair applied with little methodology.

in my early twenties i had that socratic moment of understanding that i knew nothing except my government hated me becuase i was the wrong race, the wrong sex and of the wrong socio- economic background.

when i arrived in australia all of my fears were proven correct - i did know nothing. i remember a conversation with two university graduates from angleterre after being in the country for two weeks one in business one in economics. neither of us knew how to add, divide, multiply or subtract the simplest fractions. luckily for me i was able to remedy the situation after going back to school over here (unfortunately the funding collapsed in the last year but what education i did get was enough for me to learn a trade, something never offered to me as a subject of the british government).
the little turds of the "private" school system were arrogant as they were ignorant - in britain i rarely met them - in fact the first time i ever saw the queen was in australia.

britain is of course a dying state sucked dry by the legions of fifth columnists that have destroyed everything cherished by any practical or reasonable man. even now the treasury is being looted to pay for a war in the middle east to bring about the ramblings of the old testament (foreign lobbyists took over the government and marched the legions of the british army into the sands of the middle east paid for by the peasants that still paid taxes.) for them it is a win win, they hate us and they hate the people who live in the middle east, they make profit whilst we kill each other to bring about their objectives.

for britain this is not a new situation, when the british monarchy was overthrown by the merchant class in the 1700s, the british army was under new management and was used to invade and plunder the globe annoying everyone....

(you might know that hong kong was on loan from china because china lost the war against britain - well at least the companies of the merhant class - were hell bent on selling opium to the chinese, when the drug addicts mounted and the treasury was bare the chinese government balked and tried to stop the drug shipments, which was rebuffed by the merchants and their army for hire.)

whilst the common man wasn't able to even pay for his rotten pegs to be yanked out of his mouth, his taxes were being used to fund foreign wars to improve the profits of the companies owned by the merchant classes.

unless britain rids itself of the parasitic lobbyists and all of their friends working for foreign governments and spy agencies its people will have no rest.

alas the average joe in britain is so dumb and drunk - its all over. i don't stay awake of a night thinking about how my home country was destroyed by for a better word by treasonous dogs that should be locked up in the tower.

its happening over here too but at a slower rate, the same people will destroy australia too but hopefully i will have moved on and not die in poverty.

for those of you living a miserbale life in britain i wish you health and luck for your future...

Disenfranchised of Buckingham said...

I'm an Essex lad and we had the full Grammar, Tech, Sec Modern set up in the 60s.

The great thing about the system, as a kid, was at Grammar the bright third of kids did GCEs in the 4th year, the other kids in the 5th. My brother was at the sec modern so they did their GCEs in the lower 6th before spending 2 years doing A levels.

The thicker you were the more time you had to learn to the required standard. None of this reducing the standard to get the required results.

Ἕκτωρ said...

I think you'll find the brightest kids went to Winchester....

Byrnsweord said...

Hear hear! Couldn't actually agree more. It's not 'anti-aspirational' or 'discriminatory' to have this system. What is says is that no matter your academic ability, you are innately valuable to your society in different ways. You have the potential to do well at what you do for the benefit of you, your family and your society. What is so evil and wrong about that?

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Electro-Kevin said...

Slight correction needed:

The brightest kids didn't necessarily go to Eton (private schools) - but the richest did.

It was more often the case that the brightest went to grammar.

Grammar school was by far the most egalitarian option. The patronising upper middle-class decided to abolish them thinking wrongly that they were to the detriment of the working-class. they also scrapped techs for some insane reason and shoved everyone on media studies and performing arts courses.

Ever seen the film Ants ? The scene with the well meaning but utterly patronising flying insects ? Fuck I loved it when that condescending bitch got crushed under a boot.

The difference between Australia/Canada and Britain ? In Aus/Canada the richer are loyal to their poorer countryman and visa versa - they see each other as fellow nationals. The British ? As we see the ruling middle-class (of both colours) see equivalence with lower British nationals and the rest of the world - after hobbling his intellect and educational prospects they'll sell their fellow countryman for a few quid.

Brightest go to Eton (private school) ?

Well with this country they've managed to make fish soup out of an acquarium - Britain is no longer a country. It doesn't see me as special so I won't fight or die for it. I could have done what they've done with my comprehensive education and for a fraction of the salary.

Kit said...

You can tell how degenerate an education system is by the dishonest user or labels.

'dyslexic' for stupid. (overdiagnosed)
'adhd' for spoilt little bastard. (fictional condition)
'special' for retarded.(just a plain perversion of the English language)

Funny how some countries don't have any children with ADHD.

sconzey said...

Well said, OH. Regrettably, the rot goes even deeper than that: hundreds of thousands of our brightest young people are entering academia and being tied up in scientific dead-ends and mutual masturbation.

This article is about computer science research, and it's from the other side of the pond but it explains a lot of the stuff I've come across in my four-year degree. My fiancee tells me this happens in other subjects too.

The problem is that when the State funds science and research, all that happens is bright people create problems solely in order to solve them: "Look at how clever I am!" Lots of work, no productivity.

Wossat? said...

A good post, OH. I beg to differ only on one point. Most bright kids went to grammar school, only a tiny elite went to Eton and not all of them were bright, just rich, as others have already pointed out.

It didn't matter where you came from, if you were bright you got into grammar school, the poorest helped by grants to buy uniforms and books. Grammar schools were the great equalisers. Something that seems to scare politicians shitless.

Anonymous said...

RE the person dissing the IB.

You obviously have no idea how thick and easy A-levels are.

I just finished university, the kids who did A-levels where unimaginative, limited minded, stupid, not confident and quite dull.

I was an international brat at an IB school, it teaches you to be able to bullshit, real stress and hard work (A-level kids can RETAKE THEIR COURSE WORK AS MANY TIMES AS THEY PLEASE) and produces more rounded intelligence.

Anonymous said...

The richest went to Eton, the brightest went to grammar.

You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear, what were Prince Harry's A Level results again?

Anonymous said...

Did,nt Herr Hitler outlaw home education, something which successive germaany govts carry on.

Anonymous said...

Hmm...I actually agree with you on most of this.
As regards the IB programme, it's run alongside A levels in most decent sixth form centres but most kids opt for A levels because they're more instantly recognisable in the UK by employers and so on.
The Baccalaureat is far more rigorous and demanding than the current A level. That said, coursework, and the system of retaking of AS level modules has had its day.
You know who I am so I'm not going through the rigmarole of creating an account etc etc.

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