Saturday, 8 May 2010

the true picture



Whilst Gordon shouts at Clegg and refuses to go and the Tories rant about their God given right to govern the 15M of us who didn't vote for them, here is a quick breakdown of what a democratic Parliament would and should look like. No wonder we can't have one. Click to enlarge

UPDATE: Hearing rumours that Brown will resign this afternoon and Harman will head up a Lib/Lab coalition

86 comments:

kingoldby said...

I'm not sure how democratic it is to give disproportionate power to small parties that hold the balance of power.

That is the system they use in Israel and it gives a disporportionate influence to extremist parties.

Old Holborn said...

Only because Israel is full of extremists

kingoldby said...

Well, even if that is true, those extremists are given even more power and influence than they would otherwise have because they generally hold the balance of power with PR.

With PR we would see small parties having disproportionate power. That would be undemocratic as well.

In addition, the constituency link would be broken. MPs would not be responsible to any group of voters, you would never have the chance to vote for or against any particular candidate. MPs would be picked by Party managers from a Party List. That wou would be a gross insult to democracy.

FPTP is inperfect but PR does not seem to be the solution.

I think the Swiss model is more promising. Direct democracy, allow the people to directly override the politicians and devolve power as close to the people as possible.

But no politicians are calling for that because the entire point of it is to return power from politicians to the people.

Written off said...

How different would the slices of the pie be if it included those who didn't vote? Many like me live in a rock solid safe seat and are therefore disinclined to bother, whereas under PR at least our vote would count.

AnonyMONG said...

@ kingoldby - "disproportionate power to small parties"

Fuck off you stupid ignorant cunt.

PR ensures that everyone's vote counts, and that the will of the people is carried out.

If 51% of the people want something, they get it under PR. If you can't get 51% of the people to back you, then you have to work with others until you get to what 51% of the public want - hence 51% of the votes.

How any of that is "disproportionate" in any way relies on warped logic.

kingoldby said...

Thank you for calling me a 'stupid ignorant cunt' AnonyNONG.

The fact is, with PR a party with 49% of the vote and a party with 2% of the vote will have almost exactly the same power in Parliament.

With PR, small, unrepresentative parties have disproportinate power. And that is undemocratic.

Care to insult me again or would you like to actually engage in a real discussion on the democractic system?

Ampers said...

If Harman is PM, Men will lose the right to vote!

Chalcedon said...

FFS I hope you are wrong about this Lib lab pact. It wouldn't be right. Neither Labour nor the lib Dems have the mandate of heaven, since more individuals voted for the cons. What we do need is a change round and a government that stops fucking borrowing money and pissing it away on useless projects and on trying to secure a posse of voters tied to it for the next GE. It didn't work for Labour even with a corrupted postal vote and chaos at the voting stations. I hope we have UN monitors next time!

13 glorious years said...

kingoldby "Disproportionate influence to extremist parties"

Like New Labour?

kingoldby said...

12 glorious years, the fact that FPTP is flawed does not mean that PR is the answer.

Criticising FPTP is not an argument in favour of PR, that is a logical fallacy.

kingoldby said...

BTW, interesting update.

A minority Lib Lab coalition headed by Harriet Harperson.

Oh please God let that be true! It would like putting a bunch of cats and dogs together in a bag and then kicking it. The politics of destruction would take on a whole new meaning.

Anonymous said...

First things first....

GET RID OF THE MONG OUT OF NO.10

Jess The Dog said...

I'm assuming the Harman government rumour is inflammatory. It would be entirely unconstitutional and illegitimate and should be defied and overthrown.

Glosman said...

OH: Only because Israel is full of extremists

Yeh the fuckin so-called "Palestinians"!

Anonymous said...

Once McBroon is removed, the whole Zanucon constitution can flush itself down the bog.

Unconstitutional, Ha!

Anonymous said...

If I were a nuliebore stormtropper, Id vote for the 'Harperson'.

She'd look great in Leather, holding a Bullwhip!

bofl said...

hahaha a mad hattie in charge?

she is as thick as shit!

did you see her 'husband' jack dromey on tv yesterday?

i dont think i have ever heard a bigger cunt on the box before-ever!

let hattie run things and i see a ceaucescu style ending........

speaking of which.......the bbc has a nice article about the imf+ cuts in romania.......funny how the beeb reports on state waste yet suck the blood out of license payers...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/10101468.stm

cengi said...

A problem with PR is that people vote for a manifesto that then gets carved up. The Government you get isn't the Government you voted for.

A benefit of PR is that a wider spectrum of politics can get involved. That *is* a good thing. Too many of the problems of this country stem from Parliament as a whole stitching up the British people because they know they can They *are* largely of the same mind on climate change, welfarism, acquiescing to America, crushing our liberty and so on.

Far too few of them remember that their duty is to us first, to hold the Government to account. They are gangbanging Britannia and and many of them want a go.

Scan said...

bofl, I agree totally; he's already the biggest cunt in Parliament and I can see many sweary utterances spat in his direction. What an utter, utter cunt.

Glosman...you are also a cunt.

[wv: bitogito)

cengi said...

Just to add; PR itself is not a panacea. The quality of MPs would still remain very, very low.

anal is an understatement said...

i see we've got the schoolgirl on here today (who can't swear without adding an exclamation mark)

don't bother reading this blog until further notice.

Anonymous said...

Nuffin wrong with korrect englesh !

Now fuk-off !!!!

Lost Deposit said...

I know this is not the time OH, but any chance of a refund on the paypal donations front?

an atheist said...

readers and contributors may have noted that old holborn has deleted all comments on posts older than a couple of months - like guido, he has either taken a backhander from certain aggrieved politicians or has sold the content on for republication. like guido, old holborn is a cheap fool who will never get contributors' best work because he will always choose cash over quality, and attempt to get something for nothing - he has not the imagination to even imagine what can be imagined by people who can do business without resorting to extortion. like paul staines, old holborn is as ignorant as slavery. like staines, holborn always elects to take the short-term status-symbol instead of respect. i'm very happy that i can now wrap up here and have the opportunity to move on.

i'm no socialist, in fact more of a conservative, but the eavesdropping and extortion racket exercized by staines, holborn and their crew have made this election personal. please god that david cameron does not enter number 10 downing street, ever. after all, once you've been robbed, do you really care about the thief's spending policy?

Old Holborn said...

No, I haven't. They did not transfer when I repointed the domain name to oldholborn.net

If I unpoint the domain, they are still there but the new ones vanish. Take it up with microsoft you tin foil hatted looney.

Oh, and fuck off

1569 Rising said...

The pie chart adds up to 652. What about Thirsk & Malton, which would be 653. 3 more than 650. Evidence of educational standards falling?

mrs sandra stone said...

14:48

lying bastard

kingoldby said...

Yeah atheist, because it's obvious Old Holborn who is a corrupt member of the establishment deliberately trying to stifle dissent.

You cretin.

Old Holborn said...

Yes, of course. I am a CIA plant, along with Paul staines and I have stolen your priceless comments to sell on the free market.

TAKE YOUR MEDICINE, YOU FRUITBAT

Eric Von Pickles said...

Forward with Liberal-Conservatism

McBroon said...

Is Britain's Got Talent on tonight?

proportional lapidation said...

14:51

which reminds me. new voting system: why don't we all just cast a stone at our preferred candidate?

Rev. Stang said...

which reminds me. new voting system: why don't we all just cast a stone at our preferred candidate?

Let Him who is without sin...

Ms.Glenda Slack said...

Is Gordon still in at number 10?

Old Holborn said...

Nope, he's just left and is on his way to jockland apparently

change the locks, quick

Anonymous said...

Apparently the Broon is taking what's left of Britains gold with him (in a small nike holdall).

Renegade_Soundwave said...

Is Brown flying to Scotland?
If so we could do with a surplus FIM-92 Stinger.

kingoldby said...

I'm not seeing anything on the news about Brown resigning. Has it happened or is this a rumour?

kingoldby said...

I see on 'PoliticsHome' that Brown is going to Scotland, but no announcement of a resignation yet. I suppose he might want to make his resignation speech in his constituency amongst 'friends'.

James Gordon Brown said...

Fuck this shit.
Im going to state my own Micro-Nation... Do want I want then with no hassle.

bob-a-job said...

14:54

my and other people's comments may not be priceless, but the least respect you could offer your contributors is that of not deleting their painstakingly crafted efforts - especially as your non-deletion policy was your one and only selling point, in my opinion. note that your viewing figures have dropped significantly since you sleeved the old comments - and that is despite the extra interest which would naturally have been generated by a general election. remember that thing? the general election? very disappointing statistics for april on old holborn. how much did you lose on the deposit? oh sorry, i forgot, you're stinking fucking rich you cunt - i guess it was more your pride wot got a kicking. blogs and football club ownership, a toff's game. now when you've re-instated the comments, you and staines can both go fuck off back up obama's arsehole to 'earn' some more pocket money.

Anonymous said...

OLD HOLBORN HAS SOLD THIS COMMENT TO THE DAILY MAIL

Fuck off you cretinous cunt, and take your loose, leaking anus with you. It's no use for the likes of me and my large throbbing organ.

kingoldby said...

bob-a-job, if you don't like Old Holborns blog then fuck off and start your own.

Anonymous said...

Anonymong 15:31 here

That was to to the turd above and not OH. Fucking stupid blogspot comments.

Any chance of IntenseDebate OH?

sarah's too busy shagging the intern the cameras caught her snogging on election night (when we arrived back at no.10) said...

15:14

almost right. i'll actually be making my farewell speech from the safest place i know - the bog in the basement of my own home.

self-flagellating shitstats...read all abawtit said...

15:33

anonymous is attacking himself. bob-a-job must have hit a nerve.

a better class of bullshit said...

15:31

now he could have sold that comment to a respectable quality newspaper like the independent or the guardian but, true to form, old ho chose to go for the highest bidder and took the cash. greedy low-life cunt.

Laughing Stock (ie: An Englishman) said...

"UPDATE: Hearing rumours that Brown will resign this afternoon and Harman will head up a Lib/Lab coalition"

You mischievous tease!

Old Holborn said...

You can tell all I'm after is the money by the total lack of advertising on this blog, the total lack of censorship and the total lack of moderation.

This blog cost fuck all so it's only fair I cover my costs.

now fuck off

you half-inched my fucking comment you fucking ex-patriolated cunt said...

16:01

the total lack of censorship and the total lack of moderation

which explains why over 95% of the comments on this blog are on the missing-list.

Anonymous said...

Is my LCD fucked?
Or have you inserted a Purple background into your HTML/Css?

Capitalizing on the PR reformers.

kingoldby said...

Hey, 16.08, since when are you William fucking Shakespeare and since when is it's Old Holborns responsibility to maintain your ancient posts for all time?

If you don't like this blog fuck off and start your own.

john travoltingle said...

16:08

if you ask me, the ugly cunt's saving up for a face transplant

Lutney Chocker said...

"UPDATE: Hearing rumours that Brown will resign this afternoon and Harman will head up a Lib/Lab coalition"

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGH!!!

I don't know whether to laugh or cry!

(rather dismayed that ukpollingreport has turned even more Laboury... such a load of bitchy whiners, and the webmaster gives zero right of reply... if only I cared).

Anonymous said...

kingoldby = Holbys Dad

stinking point said...

16:14

since when are you kingfuckwhatnotwit, stay out of this or you'll be getting royal ascent to take an apostrophe where god meant it to go

Purple Rain going thru my mind said...

Going
P U R P L E ............

What colour next / blue with yellow stripes!

This used to be a fuckin good blog, till you went statist. Now all OH wants is to be a part of the system (any fuckin system) as look as his ego is fed!

shit, you can never get a headache when you need one said...

16:24

god knows the world would have forgiven him for having a wank that day

old ma cleanspeak said...

15:31

put your mouth organ away boy. it's bad manners you little punk.

Big.Hilda said...

Any mongs / fruitbats wanna chat?

Plz note, I refuse to chat with anyone using exclamation marks in their comments.

BYE!

Lutney Chocker said...

http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2010/04/24/thai-red-shirts-defy-crackdown-with-carnival-like-protest/

Purple... Orange... Red... wait, look, I can see him... "puff the magic dragon..."

A million peacefully on the streets achieved fuck all twice; it takes poll tax levels of violence to get them to even flinch.
Mind you, thanks to blue labour, they can kill us and just let a copper crawl away with a suspended manslaughter sentence...

old ma cleanspeak said...

what you say BOY.

McBroonster said...

I say again, Quality over Quantity.
Thats the type of comments we need here. An end to the rubbish - bring on the comment moderation. Lets keep it real.

pc fuckoff said...

16:42

there's no inherent irony in that comment - some thick fairy cunt must be dressing up in old ma's frock

McBroon said...

People say Britian (printing error) is finished. I say watch Britians got talent ITV 8pm, and then decide.

Thats 20:00 UKIP time.

Old Holborn said...

By the way, the anon looney is

t.parsons68@yahoo.ie

Anonymous said...

pc fuckoff, 8 May 2010 16:51

16:42
there's no inherent irony in that comment - some thick fairy cunt must be dressing up in old ma's frock


Wheres that bloody Ron Broxted when you need him?

We need the GAY input here.

pc fuckoff (ballot box special constable) said...

anyone present wish to proceed to whitehall? it has come to my attention that there is a right tasty punchup between the first-past-the-posters and the propo-reppers.

PCSO Knacker said...

T.P@@yahoo.ie
He's a DUP front man, living in a Caravan south of Sligo.
U N D E R C O V E R.

desperate dave lammy said...

16:58

sorry dear, i've got my cock up clegg in the hope of retaining my ministerial position

Anonymous said...

Just how can that fucking cunt slaf Harman be PM when the people told her to fuck off and die?!?!?! My fucking piss is boiling more than ever

UKIP_survivor said...

Csssna 4 hire.
Cheap Rates, bent prop, otherwise fine... would suit masked gay who likes to fly high above the public.

St.Clair said...

Personally I like Harman
She can whip me anytime.

kingholby said...

Easy now... NO gays in my house

Anonymous said...

Have a look at FARAGE's face after the plane crash, he looks like Homer Simpson poor bugger.


WV: snessor (new name for Cessna)

jocelyn "union jack" esien said...

17:03

well not today actually darling - due to a temporary agitation which has arisen following the general revelation that i have fucked both sides, i have decided to swing it back to kalabar till tings blow over.

Anonymous said...

"By the way, the anon looney is

t.parsons68@yahoo.ie"

Oh dear. Looks like McEgan's finally been busted.

Unlike his anus, which has been busted many times over I imagine...

HAHAHAHA !!!!

lester playaway said...

17:22

no way man, i'm president obama's envoy to the liberal party - i'm currently busy liaising while barack and nick are co-designing some nice new climatically-conscious pink-satin uniforms for our beefy battalions of british bullys err...sorry i mean boys in afghanistan.

The_Beast_of_Bodmin said...

Any wimmin read this blog, cos I fuck like a beast. I know cos it sez so on ma t-shirt.


WV: spigo : Place in Eire?

Gordon_of_Khartoon said...

Im here to do my job, and I shall carry on.

Ex Laughing Stock (Proud Englishman) said...

miss tightie..... 16:01

You're mistaking me with someone else. God forbid I'm mistaken for a troll.

I was just making a humourous comment.

Ask OH you fucking freak (with NO exclamation marks), at least I contributed to his honourable effort in Cambridge.

virtue has its own reward said...

18:17

don't tell me you voted for the twat

funnily enough, somehow i find that editing my entries makes them more graphically gratuitous said...

18:17

no, let me guess, he stuck his nob thro' the gobhole in his mask while you faithfully polished it

x out of the box said...

14:54

yes, of course you are a cia censoring potplant you prat - where the fuck's the figure for did not voters, eh?

Anonymous said...

Harman?

Dear fucking god. See where all the proportional representation whining gets us? The possibility of being led by something as authoritarian as Jackboot Smith.

Kiss your civil liberties goodbye if this comes to pass.

mr harwoman said...

21:39

quite. a woman. this is a fucking constitutional crisis. who's going to cook her husband's dinner?

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