Wednesday, 3 March 2010

Nick Hogan Update



In less than 36 hours, you have donated more than £6027 to support Nick Hogan after he was jailed for 6 months for non payment of fines. Anna and I are currently investigating whether it is indeed lawful to jail a registered bankrupt as his ability to pay the fines is zero.

Many have suggested various uses for this generously given money but after discussion with Anna Raccoon, who broke this story , and Nick's wife, we will simply give the money to Nick to use as HE wishes.

He may chose to pay his fines, he may chose to put the whole lot on a horse. It is his business. But I certainly wish him well.

Various other organisations are becoming involved and support has been overwhelming. Donations have arrived from the four corners of the world, left wing, right wing and independent bloggers are carrying the news far and wide.

Here is Nick explaining his position.




Also, a funeral for Liberty is to take place on March 13th outside the gaol where Nick has been incarcerated by a state that helps itself to Billions in tobacco tax. I am planning to attend with the largest paypal cheque I can, in full uniform, smoking a cigar to remind those that govern us that they do so by consent. OUR consent. And no one has consented to the State making Nick Hogan a convicted criminal for offering his customers a choice within his own property instead of reporting them to the Police, as all publicans are now required to do by law.

Publicans in the rest of Europe have shown that there can be a compromise. Smoking and non smoking bars exist from Lisbon to Warsaw. Smoking is even allowed in the Houses of Parliament. But not in a private pub in Bolton.

Join me on March 13th



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PS: From the comments section

You can always get your donation back. Just pay cash for something you need. No receipt needed *wink

65 comments:

Captain Ranty said...

This is a fantastic example of bloggers digging deep, and overcoming political differences to tell nanny to fuck right off.

I blogged about Nick earlier:

http://captainranty.blogspot.com/2010/03/free-nick-hogan-today.html

CR.

Newgates knocker said...

The fact so many people donated for this, so quickly, raises the spirit just a little and makes you feel it's worth fighting a little bit harder to take back some of what has been lost. Maybe total state control is not a foregone conclusion yet and maybe public anger can achieve something after all. Good luck Mr Hogan!

View from the Solent said...

OH,
I'd willingly contribute, but the paypal a/c has been set up such that to use it you either have to have an existing paypal ID or create one as part of the donation process.
So I will not use it.

It's possible to create an a/c that just accepts payments, no paypal ID required. Any chance of making one of those available?

Rightwinggit said...

Has the MSM woken up yet? (other than the Telegraph)

microdave said...

@ View from the Solent - seconded, I started reading PayPals terms and privacy statements and thought "No Way". If need be I'll post a cheque...

mort said...

so in effect debtors gaol still exists even tho they promised to get rid of it, i will be donating today however it irks me that our so called gaols are full of people who actually have not committed a crime that can be justified these days. do we get paid for enforcement of of the nutters rules ? nope so why be gaoled for not getting paid to provide the state a service?

Angry Fucker said...

I think Nick has it right in his speech. We have allowed Facism in through the back door by stealth. I feel like going down the council offices responsible for Nick's prosecution and smashing them up. I find that a more agreeable concept than paying them off via your whip round, however well-intended it is.

bofl said...

a suggestion........

pay the bloody fine and get out of the nick! -nick!

there is no point in sitting inside......people will forget about you......so use the publicity NOW!!!!!!


also i am not an expert but i think that if youy are declared bankrupt you are NOT totally in the clear for 11 years?......if you get given money or win some etc then i am sure that you have to give it to the creditors........please check this..

Stuart said...

I'm in for a tenner.

I am Stan said...

Weird....you can smoke in prisons...but not in your own pub!..go figure.




WV-alickywa.....if only.

Jez said...

I have tried to set up a paypal account to send Nick some money - But I couldn't get the bloody thing to work. wouldn't accept the password or my email address. Bollocks. It obviously don't like elderly people.
I have emailed Miss Racoon to ask if she can provide instructions as to how to send Nick a cheque. I'm not going to give up on this.

With Best Wishes

Jez

Anonymous said...

The Health Act 2006 is not a Common Law.

It is a Statute that carries the force of Law.

There is a huge difference between Common Law and Statutes.

Statutes require your consent.

There is a method by which you can not give your consent to these Statutes and thereby not be subject to them.

Ask a policeman.

Ask a judge.

Statutes are NOT 'laws'.

They ALL require your consent.

Explore the possibilities.

Free yourself from this tyranny.

Research the Freeman Movement.

Anonymous said...

that photo is from a TV comedy production btw. Hence the microphone boom at the side of the picture.

mungle said...

Slightly O/T but the German high court has overturned the retention of the citizens electronic data by the government. No one here seems bothered about it. We are being given lessons in freedom/privacy by the country that gave us Hitler and the Stasi.

DaveA said...

I personally think that people have dug deep to pay his fine not on Fine And Dandy in the 2.30 at Haydock. Obviously it is Nick's perorogative but it should be presumed that is where the money is going.

Spartan said...

Agree with bofl ... don't give money to Nick until you are sure about the implications of his bankruptcy status.

Would be well pissed off if someone like the lnland Revenue grabbed it!

Nick can decide what to do with it without actually giving him it first.

Katabasis said...

I could afford to chuck in £25 every month for a cause like this. If thousands of us were able to do this month in month out, how many people could we help? How many times could we stick our fingers up at the establishment as a result?

It would certainly be better than frittering that money away each month as I currently do, on several charities.

Anonymous said...

Great news about Nick & that so many people & groups have jumped on board to state their opinion re our home grown Fascisti. Don't get too excited though - Big Brother is alive & well down in the South. In our local paper today there's an item 'Police forces join up to patrol Dorset-Wiltshire border'

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/5035167.Police_forces_join_up_to_patrol_Dorset_Wiltshire_border/

Am I being too cynical because I suspect this will allow more stop & searches as a prelude to 'Ihre papieren bitte, schnell, schnell' once the EU has done its worst?

mort said...

ok let me get this right?

he got fined for not upholding the law/statute (as defined by numpties and lobbyists), he was not paid to provide the state with a service which they invoked, he was fined for not invoking the state clause and therefore he chose not to pay the unlawful fine/tax because in effect it is unlawful? they revoked his right to earn income in his chosen career/profession/trade or skill..? human rights comes into play here i think but i am just a simple layman.

mort said...

ok let me get this right?

he got fined for not upholding the law/statute (as defined by numpties and lobbyists), he was not paid to provide the state with a service which they invoked, he was fined for not invoking the state clause and therefore he chose not to pay the unlawful fine/tax because in effect it is unlawful? they revoked his right to earn income in his chosen career/profession/trade or skill..? human rights comes into play here i think but i am just a simple layman.

Lion of England said...

What a pity,that the people of this nation dont stand up and put the Minsters of Pigs and the Labor Gov, into prison they have at least committed crimes against the people.

british insurgent said...

New Labour - A Policeman in every citizens head.

For the first time in our English history, a foreign Jock Junta, a Scottish Raj has turned the English into State Spys with the force of law being bought against them if they fail to carry out their Stasi duty.

New Labour - Papers - show me your papers.

I wish every single Labour MP & voter dead.

Traitors.

How do we stop this madness, & the madness to follow that is Rusty Daves Blue Labour?

SO17 said...

The smoking ban and the onus on shopworkers to enforce age laws are both similar.
They require the bar/shop worker(on pain of fine or imprisonment if they don't) to confront individuals or indeed whole groups of people.
Fine, if we lived in a non violent utopia but thanks to successive goverments we don't.
Rather than punish a bloke for being a violent pisshead the state would rather punish a checkout girl for selling the violent pisshead his beer.
So scared are the supermarkets of being fined and losing licenses that the legal age of 18 is not relevant.
The poor checkout girl not only has to confront callow youths but cunts up to the age of 25 as well.
All without backup and with the knowledge she is in the shit should she get it wrong.
I am suprised shopworkers unions have not picked up this imposition on their members.

Neal Asher said...

£5 donated. I don't give to charities now most of them are fake, but I will give to this. I don't like the fact that I'm contributing to what's effectively a government tax, but maybe the speed of the response to this will have some effect (maybe a vain hope).

righty right wing (mrs) said...

Bollocks indeed. Stuffed indeed.

If Blue Labour were any kind of opposition then there would not be such volatility in the markets.

If rusty Dave had sealed the deal with the electorate the markets & investors would have a future Government to hang their hat on in a few short weeks time.

But they dont.

Even with the target rich environment that this poor excuse for a British Government has presented to the Tories Dave has rarely landed a glove on McStalin.

So we have a fiscally incompetent Government & a failed weak opposition.

No wonder the markets are up & down like the Assyrian Empire.

publican's progress said...

fuck me, at this rate, every cunt in britain's gonna jack in their job and become a politician. how the hell are we gonna pay everyone's expenses?

chief justice slops said...

14:06

and now mr hogan's been tried and imprisoned by a judge who is being slush-funded from mr hogan's own tax-contributions - i bet he wishes he'd never paid them.

taxes, fines, licences, prison sentences all decided by one judiciary which mops up the profits generated by this arrogant extortion racket. how can our courts possibly constitute an 'independent and impartial tribunal' in accordance with article six of the european convention on human rights?

chief justice slops said...

14:06

and now mr hogan's been tried and imprisoned by a judge who is being slush-funded from mr hogan's own tax-contributions - i bet he wishes he'd never paid them.

taxes, fines, licences, prison sentences all decided by one judiciary which mops up the profits generated by this arrogant extortion racket. how can our courts possibly constitute an 'independent and impartial tribunal' in accordance with article six of the european convention on human rights?

lager clout said...

a government which rode in on the fox-hunting ban and got stubbed out by the smoking ban. now what about outlawing the hunting of smokers, mr cameron? do you want to win this election or not? no wonder there's so much racial baiting and other persecution in the uk - the toffs and the trappers have been denied their traditional british pastimes. when the whole workforce has been made bankrupt for contravening some petty law, who is going to pay the taxes which pay the judges salaries?

Lion of England said...

How Many times! must it be said,YOU can BRING A GOVERNMENT TO ITS KNEES,when you stop FEEDING it! IT survives on its Tax from you.
DOWN TOOLS,THE MILLION OF YOU THAT WANT
YOUR COUNTRY BACK,EVERY DAY THAT YOU GO TO WORK,OR PAY FINES YOU FEED THE MACHINE.
AND YOU ONLY HAVE TO STOP WORK FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS, BUT NOT ONE PERSON IS REQUIRED BUT MILLIONS OF YOU of course
you will have a hard time and you will loose Money but if you want your FREEDOM from this OPPRESSION OF THESE POLITICAL party's and the rest then you have to suffer also.
only then will you achieve something.
What do you think the company's who loose money will say to the Government.
JUST THINK ABOUT IT,THIS IS THE ONLY WAY FOR CHANGE.

And now to another point in case you dont know this so called democracy is nothing than a dictatorship of one man
and one party,since before 1945 and after, every control and check that was in place to make sure our Government serves its people has been taken away
to what we have now, IN Government i am sorry to disappoint those that think we have Monarchy think again from Cromwell's time
we have had a republic which was hidden
from your view,and now we are turning into a STATE like old East Germany and if we let it carry on then you will fail your children and your grandchildren.

db said...

SO17 said...

'The smoking ban and the onus on shopworkers to enforce age laws are both similar.
They require the bar/shop worker(on pain of fine or imprisonment if they don't) to confront individuals or indeed whole groups of people.
Fine, if we lived in a non violent utopia but thanks to successive goverments we don't.
Rather than punish a bloke for being a violent pisshead the state would rather punish a checkout girl for selling the violent pisshead his beer.
So scared are the supermarkets of being fined and losing licenses that the legal age of 18 is not relevant.
The poor checkout girl not only has to confront callow youths but cunts up to the age of 25 as well.
All without backup and with the knowledge she is in the shit should she get it wrong.
I am suprised shopworkers unions have not picked up this imposition on their members.'

Things have moved on a bit - You have to look 30 to avoid bing id at our local convenience store - says so on the huge badges worn by the spotty teenagers....

Complete and utter bollocks.....

Anonymous said...

Do they still imprison the womenfolk of the feckless who get caught not paying the BBC tax?
Not very different really.

Rogerborg said...

Agreed, db. Zanu loves legislation that deputises citizens. See section 11 of the Health Act, that allows the anti-smoking clipboard brigade to compel anyone - yes, anyone - to assist them.

My £50 was freely given for Mr Hogan to spend as he will. I'd actually rather that he didn't ransom himself, and blew it on (French, no-UK-duty) fags instead. Up to him.

On that note, I'd suggest giving him his money in cash, in a brown paper bag, so as not to make it too easy for the Revenue goons.

SO17 said...

db:
Some old dolly in one of our newsagents was caught selling fags to an underage youth in a police 'sting' operation.
A fine,her name in paper, the shop disgraced.
Job done by the authorities.
She described the youth as tall with a hoodie pulled over his head.
Silly woman she should have confronted the chav as the law stipulates and not turned a blind eye as I know cops are capable of doing.
A shopkeeper should, this day and age, be prepared to die so as to uphold the law.
Even if those who are paid to are not.

british bulldog said...

18:34

much as i sympathize with your tax-cutting initiative, this strike-idea is not the traditional solution favoured by true britons - unless it is sweetened by the prospect of a internecine riot where we can all bite, burn or bash something or someone.

the pigheaded panacea said...

19:20

you're a woolly old idealist, aren't you so17? however, your utolitarian vision is completely impracticable, unless the whole damn population passes through police-training before leaving school - of course, if everyone were a fed, no-one would be doing anything naughty anyway, would they? thank god we've always got the law to fall back on.

The Filthy Engineer said...

Phil Johnson sent a message to the members of Justice for Nick Hogan.

--------------------
Subject: Alternative donation avenue

We have another safe avenue for donations for all those of you who would rather send a cheque. If so, your Cheques for the Nick Hogan fund can be made payable to Freedom to Choose (Scotland).
They will be retained in the Freedom to Choose (Scotland) account until further instructions are available.
The address is Freedom to Choose (Scotland), c/o The Dalmeny Bar, 297 Leith Walk, Edinburgh EH6 8SA.
For total transparency I will update the 'donations sent' on a daily basis as soon as the Treasurer informs me of such.
This now gives the Nick Hogan fund twice the opportunity to reach our target folks.
Phil J

for those who can't use pay pal

Anonymous said...

£10 donated.

Why don't we all send a postcard to Mr Hogan to cheer him up at:

Nick Hogan
HMP & YOI Forest Bank
Agecroft Road
Pendlebury
Manchester
M27 8FB

i came, i saw, i sparked a spliff (and then fucked off again) said...

20:11

yes, when applying for a government licence there's a limit on what one can practically give assurances. does one inevitably get nicked for failing to prevent all theft, violence, or anti-government subversive chit-chat on one's premises, for example? now consider this, i recently signed an affifavit to the effect that i have known a couple of friends for a certain number of years, that i visited them at their three last addresses, and that they are of good character - but i'm fucked if i'm going to check up on their every move in order to guarantee this fact beyond all possible doubt. after all, no-one's perfect.

givus alight said...

20:37

there is a parallel here with the current scandal over on the guido fawkes blog. just because paul staines' associates have been illegally bugging and burgling their way 'round london, does this make him culpable in any way? it's all a question of incentive and encouragement, i believe - so the answer would have to be in the affirmative, i suggest.

praegustator to obama said...

20:49

fuck the bugging and burgling, i received a poisoned-chocolate-cake. i'm never going back there again, or guido fucking fawkes flophouse. ever.

Sir Olly C said...

I've added a page on mine for anyone interested. OH if you could send me the code for the Paypal button I'll stick it on there too. If anyone's interested:
http://tinyurl.com/yh99ggp

jocelyn jack esien said...

21:06

yes, very interesting...you know wot, comedy's a bit like food-tasting - you never quite know wot's passing your lips and wot the reaction will be. i'm often laid up sick in bed for weeks - just recovering from a gig.

jocelyn jack esien said...

paypal? naypal. apart from the fact that i'm tighter than a jock bunny-rabbit's arse, he looks like bnp.

Hulk Hogan said...

I fought the law and the law won.

kl13 said...

12:34

also i am not an expert but i think that if youy are declared bankrupt you are NOT totally in the clear for 11 years?......if you get given money or win some etc then i am sure that you have to give it to the creditors........please check this..

it's best to check this out carefully, as there are different kinds of debt, some of which are not cleared by serving a period of bankruptcy - these include:

student loans & company debts

fines

child support or maintenance

family court orders

secured loans

personal injury debts

fraudulent debts

criminal court debts


whilst you are still declared bankrupt, all money you receive must go to the trustee for him to distribute to creditors.

strangely enough, it is those who continue to work and trade whilst bankrupt who are more likely to fall foul of the courts should they fail or refuse to pay a court fine. with the exception of wanking on the judges wig, non-payment of a court fine is the ultimate heresy in our legal system and can attract a custodial sentence. i suppose that, if you are still working, the judge considers that you have a limited ability to find the means of payment, but if you are unemployed, the judge feels socially compelled to take a more lenient view of the matter (please don't bank on this though). judges obviously don't realize that many small-traders become better off financially when they claim welfare benefits.

in my case, i quit work directly after the initial county court order was entered against me - this was partly through frustration and depression, and partly because i lost my main contracts due to my agent's unhappiness over the court proceedings. basically, my agent was worried about the inland revenue investigating both himself and his other sub-contractors - and this situation together with an insurmountable county court debt and accrued tax-related and domestic depression was enough to make me give up work. i don't know how i evaded a prison sentence, as i point-blank refused to pay the inland revenue any tax whatsoever - but i think it was due to a combination of being unemployed, taking my county court case to the court of appeal then on to the european court of human rights, and ducking-and-diving in order to avoid bailiffs etc.

i remember that, despite being accomplished tax-dodgers themselves, my fellow sub-contractors were vocally angry about my refusal to pay tax - they objected to my action both on moral grounds and through fear of being caught up in an investigation, but mostly, i believe, these guys were just jealous that i was dumb enough to try it. all-in-all a very stressful experience.

legal self-sufficiency said...

00:09

better grow your own in future

Anonymous said...

Ethiopia famine aid 'spent on weapons'

Feed the wooo-oooorld, let them know its Christmas time !!! (even though they're mostly Muslims who would behead a Christian if they saw one)

Feeeed the woooo-ooooorld !!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!

bofl said...

meanwhile .......

Jon Venables has been out and about and doctors(??????) want to release peter sutcliffe......

!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Slightly off topic,but the West Yorkshire Plod (not very good at playing hide and seek with the Yorkshire Ripper) have bussed in a load of ethnic cops to skulk around a hideously white area to see if they can entice a hate crime or two.
Last week some lowlife applied for a credit card in my name. Fortunately MBNA smelled a rat and informed me. When I suggested I report it to the police they told me it would be a total waste of time as they wouldn't bother to investigate.
Urban11

Uncle Marvo said...

May I make so bold as to suggest that the few people who are wondering whether Holby is going to make sure that the money goes the right way here might consider shoving their knobs into a bacon slicer?

I've given over my wad and I have every confidence that Mr H is not the kind of silly fucker who is likely to be taking it down to the paramilitary wing of the Inland Revenue.

Now shut up and stump up.

FFS

Uncle Marvo said...

Another £52.40 for the pot, collected from the pub. I'd like to bung more in myself but I shot my load on Monday.

Wot is the total thus far?

Anonymous said...

I don't think OH is going to buy a load of grenade launchers like Bob give us yer fucking money Geldof's mates did. Shame really.
Urban11

Anonymous said...

What a pity,that the people of this nation dont grow their own tobacco and fuck the goverment taxation plan up,

Anonymous said...

To the one saying you can smoke in a UK prison, not in a UK pub, not the same story over here in the US.

In CA it's illegal to smoke in a prison, indoors or out, guard or prisoner and guards can be fired if caught smoking.

The idea has since spread to NV next door to CA, after someone complained about the smoking ban in LV, NV, the NV state government's response was to have the department of prisons and corrections institute a statewide prison ban on smoking, just like in CA, to show their power and vidictiveness.

Smoking bans. Resistance to smoking bans is what triggers the state to become immediately reactive and pull out the big guns against the people, as this case of Nick Hogan shows.

If you want the state to publicly expose itself as the illiberal authoritarian thieving irrational dictators - which is all governments these days, all levels, controlled by authoritarians - you just have to say the word "peep" in response to their tobacco control agenda - and boot-fall will be harsh and immediate, very well felt for anyone not paying attention.

In that sense, tobacco control seems to be the key from which all the rest springs. Or resistance to tobacco control seems to be the key from which all the rest can be destroyed, tobacco control a myth and upon that comes the rest - a magick trick.

Uncle Marvo said...

Interesting. So if you're an inmate caught smoking in a California prison what do they do - lock you up?

Don't start a fight with a man who's got nothing to lose.

Anonymous said...

The Isle of Man prison has a smoking ban,I'm told. Apparently crime figures have plummeted since,I believe. Hard time is harder without nicotine,it seems.
Urban11
I still thing the smoking ban is an outrage

jez said...

To the filthy engineer re donations. Many thanks for the info. Cheque on its way to the Dalmeny Bar.

jez

Anonymous said...

It's not very different to the alcohol bans of yore, really. And look at what happened to those regimes.

Mark Hendy said...

Donation made.

It's totally outrageous that this has happened. Well done for fighting the corner. You are not alone.

Lion of England said...

These dimwits of politician are carrying out the orders either of the Eussr,or the
WHO and private health insurance's,What is not right is to be told by any Gov, what and what you sould not do,if they want to
stop smoking in public buildings i dont have a problem, but dont start infringing my right to do what i want to do,they should have asked the Pubs whether they want to be smoker or non smoker,
But this communist,Fabian,Eussr,dictatorship Will
not ask anything only DEMAND.

db said...

Don't know about the rest of you, but I donated £20 towards payment of the fine. How many inmates get their fines paid by well wishers and supporters? We mustn't allow sentiment to cloud the issue by using the money for something else. The fact that almost all of the money has been raised in a matter of days speaks volumes - this is the perfect opportunity to make a huge political and social gesture, one that MSM should not be able to ignore.

Anonymous said...

Banning smoking in public places
is a sound public health measure
to protect the health of nonsmokers.
The issue of workplace bans is
primarily one of labour legislation
to protect the health of workers,
who are exposed to passive
smoking for long periods during
their work shifts, whether this be
in public or office buildings,
restaurants or public transport.
Workplace smoking bans are
effective in reducing exposure to
passive smoking. Smokers who
are employed in workplaces with
smoking bans are likely to
consume fewer cigarettes per
day, are more likely to consider
quitting, and quit at a greater
rate, than smokers employed in
workplaces with no or weaker
policies.
A total ban works better than
a partial ban.

Anonymous said...

A total ban? How about a total ban THAT WORKS on scumbags shooting up on drugs in pub and club toilets. Hmmm maybe thats a little too hard to do cos it involves a bit of effort from the authorities? Meanwhile, people get fined for tossing a cig end down in the street while our kids play on streets lined with broken glass! Get a bloody life you sad people and battle something that really matters. Hell what you gonna do next? we have speed cameras to generate wealth, how about smoke cameras to catch the "offensive, disgusting people" forced out onto the streets for a smoke? Boy you could really clean up there! And I thought we beat fascism in the second world war!

dancecrasher said...

Anonymous do you honestly believe all that rubbish you wrote? if this goverment wanted to protect people from the so called effects of second hand smoking " but keep fairness and equality in place" as smoking is still legal all they had to do was allow people to have seperate smoking rooms and venues seperate from non smoking ones, so people would still have a choice on were they go and who they socialise with, but i guess this would be out of the question for people like you, hopefully when this dictatorship Labour goverment is gone maybe the next goverment will be for all the people and not just the gullible robotic minded few who believe in discrimination and dictatorship.

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