Friday, 12 February 2010

From The 'Gotcha' School of Journalism



This one will get the posters of BNP Central going.

Tom Paine has highlighted this post by ConCoughlin. This is about the worst sort of 'journalism' I have seen from the Mainstream Media in a long time.

Con's Track Record On 'informed Journalism'

10/10/2006: “The West woke up too late to the nuclear threat of rogue states” Source: none.
04/08/2006: “Teheran fund pays war compensation to Hizbollah families” Source: “A senior security official”.
21/07/2006: “Meanwhile, Iran gets on with its bomb” Source: none.
14/07/2006: “Israeli crisis is a smoke screen for Iran’s nuclear ambitions” Source: none.
13/07/2006: “Cat and mouse games on border that is ‘our front line with Iran’” Source: An Israeli soldier.
12/06/2006: “Iran accused of hiding secret nuclear weapons site” Source: A senior western diplomat”
11/04/2006: “The West can’t let Iran have the bomb” Source: “An official closely involved in the IAEA’s negotiations with Iran”
07/04/2006: “Iran has missiles to carry nuclear warheads” Source: “A senior US official”
07/04/2006: “UN officials find evidence of secret uranium enrichment plant” Sources: “A diplomat closely involved in the IAEA’s negotiations with Teheran” and “A senior diplomat attached to the IAEA headquarters in Vienna”.
04/04/2006:
“Iran’s spies watching us, says Israel” Sources: “A senior Israeli
military commander” and “an officer with Israel’s northern command”.
06/03/2006: “Teheran park ‘cleansed’ of traces from nuclear site” Source: “A senior western official”
11/02/2006: “Iran plant has restarted its nuclear bomb-making equipment” Source: “A senior Western intelligence official”
30/01/2006:
“Iran sets up secret team to infiltrate UN nuclear watchdog, say
officials” Source: “a senior western intelligence official”
16/01/2006:
“Iran could go nuclear within three years” Sources: “A senior western
intelligence officer” and “an intelligence official”
27/11/2005: “Teheran secretly trains Chechens to fight in Russia” Source: “a senior intelligence official”
29/10/2005: “Smuggling route [from Iran] opened to supply Iraqi insurgents” Source: “The National Council of Resistance of Iran”

This 'Journalist' has been investigated by the PPC for his wildly inaccurate reporting to the point he is now just coming across as a plant.

Coughlin is the same journalist who provided the fabricated document at the beginning of the military attack against Iraq that that country’s army could access its weapons of mass destruction within 45 minutes. This was the same document that was used in the infamous Iraq Dossier produced by the British intelligence service. It was then referred to by Tony Blair and eventually led to the disgrace of the BBC correspondent, Andrew Gilligan, who had interviewed the British defence expert Dr David Kelly, who died shortly after that interview.



If we have now descended as a country to the hard left justifications of Lavrentry Beria in justifying torture as a means to an end, we are finished as a Liberal Country.

Leaving aside that anybody under threat or extreme pain will tell you anything you want to hear to make it stop and that everybody has a breaking point, the information gained is of dubious value. If we stoop to torture we are doing the terrorists work for them and undermining the
Liberal Values that have made this country.

Once the State gets a taste for this it will justify using torture against anybody it considers its enemy.

It has taken only twelve years for the State to obtain its central place in Society, mainly due
to the supine nature of the people of this country and the distinct low grade moral leadership from the political classes.








UPDATE

Today Jonathan Evans, the head of MI5, has launched a spectacular coded attack on the judges. He denies that MI5 covers things up and says the attacks on the service are unfair. The intelligence and security committee chimed in with a supportive statement that they had received all the documents that they had asked for. And the Home Secretary Alan Johnson took up the attack on the media for spreading lies about MI5.

However none of the above will answer our questions today refusing all requests for interviews. We want to know why they claim documents were not withheld when one of Britain's most senior judges initially said they were and we want to know why they claim to be attacking the media and critics but not the judge himself - when we understand it is he who has accused MI5 of a dubious record on human rights. We'll keep asking until we get an answer.


Channel Four News

Looks Like a concerted attack on the Judiciary by the Spooks and their poodles then.

61 comments:

Ron Broxted said...

You're right of course Guthrum.

We should make the towelhead death merchants all sit on the naughty step until they agree to stop wanting to behead us.

You naive fucking muppet.

bofl said...

no apostrophe before "and".........please.

righty right wing (mrs) said...

Wow,

You guys are becoming the sort of swivel eyed loons who would side with the devil himself if he was wearing a "I Hate the Joo's" teeshirt.

And Guthrum - do master the spell checker, there's a good chap.

righty right wing (mrs) said...

Wow,

You guys are becoming the sort of swivel eyed loons who would side with the devil himself if he was wearing a "I Hate the Joo's" teeshirt.

And Guthrum - do master the spell checker, there's a good chap.

Dark Lochnagar said...

Shocking, and what was even more shocking are the comments that are attached to it. Has the Government of this country now got us so frightened of terrorists that we arrest people and TORTURE them? Whether it is by sleep depravation or not, it is not acceptable. Thank fuck for the Judges.

Dark Lochnagar said...

Mrs Right Wing, on Guthrum's behalf. Please master how to post.

Anonymous said...

Binyam Mohammed was innocently backpacking through a war zone when the agents of the zionist conspiracy raided the peaceful village he was resting in.

You muppets - siding with the enemy.

Binyam Mohammed should have been shot where he stood.

So should you lot for buying into Al Qaeda propaganda & assisting the enemy.

righty right wing (mrs) said...

Dark L. Tosser

You whiny liberals do not know th emaning of the word torture, so let me help:

Having your head cutt off live on the internet - that is torture.

Being given food & shelter & being robustily asked to account for the reasons you were caught on a battlefield assisting the enemy is not.

Now fuck off back to Liberal Conspiracy or the Respect website or the BBC.

You ar, as ever, a complete hoon

You may go.

Guthrum said...

So should you lot for buying into Al Qaeda propaganda & assisting the enemy.

So Torture Me

'The Enemy' Have the Iraqis or Afghans invaded Britain? No they have not, would I resist an invader, yes I would. Would I launch a war of agression, no I would not.

Anonymous said...

What the fuck has this to do with the BNP?

I am Stan said...

Guthrum,

Torture achieve`s nothing,

I`d tell you anything you wanted to hear if I was denied a ciggy for more than 20 mins.

Those cunts who support torture are simpletons,as always as soon as it becomes a ligitimate way for the authorities to gain info it would soon be used aginst the population at large.

Yes we are in a war but the moral high ground is part of the battle field.

Fancy being tortured on the orders of Smith,Harmon,Straw,Griffin...fuck off!

Anonymous said...

The Hasbara Journo is just one of the large "Ein Volk, Ein Land, Ein Israel!" Hasbara brigade.

You will notice some posting here, trying to discredit posters because they can't combat the barrage of truth that Israel is undeniably a racist-supremacist shithole and a danger to the whole world.

Realigned said...

righty right wing(mrs)

"You may go"

Are you thick as thieves after the op?

Anonymous said...

"'The Enemy' Have the Iraqis or Afghans invaded Britain?"

Do you want to think about that for a minute Guthrum ?

Have you ever visited Britain ?

WV: fatone - way-hey !!

Anonymous said...

I'd resist an invader in my country too, except this clown wasn't was he? He was in a foreign country, one known to be harbouring and training terrorists.

I'd had him picked him up and questioned any day of the week. He had someone on suicide watch with him by the way, so they can't have been totally unconcerned for his welfare.

It's a war, for fucks sake - he wasn't going to spill his guts by asking him 'pretty please'.

Anonymous said...

and another thing - that link implying that 'once a state gets a taste for this'...you had to go all the way back to the early 70s to find another (possible) example??

Not exactly getting much of a taste for it then are they? Very lame bit of scare-mongering there.

Guthrum said...

"It's a war, for fucks sake - he wasn't going to spill his guts by asking him 'pretty please'."

Think you need to read the Geneva Convention or have we ripped that up as well.

What truly amazes me is how easily it is to lead the people of this country by the nose like Blair/Brown have done and they will believe absolutely anything they are told, justify torture- why not , they are the enemy. FFS

Critical thinking not required on voyage- just tell me what to do.

Anonymous said...

'The Enemy' Have the Iraqis or Afghans invaded Britain? No they have not, would I resist an invader, yes I would. Would I launch a war of agression, no I would not"

The air must be really thin on that moral high ground you occupy like Christian at a Pagan festival Guthrum.

You really should stop posting for a while - the exposure is giving you one hell of a Mother Theresa complex.

Afghanistan was not a war of aggression - & to say so is populist Guardianista nonsense.

True, we should not have got into mission creep & got all touchy feely about hearts & minds & imposed democracy.

We should have prosecuted the war like we meant to win it - no nation building just cold hard slaughter of the enemy.

Instead we have the insanity of accepting the Binyam Mohammeds into our country & affording them the very rights they wish to strip from all of us.

And I am still to be convinced that "torture" is the correct term to use - we are not fighting those that share our values & to win we are going to have to get down in the sewer - as we always have to when facing a fascist ideology.

Was Dresden a war crime in your eyes - or was it the necessary action of a desperate nation to disable the manufacturing might of a determined enemy?

Answers on a fluffy pink recycled post card from you, no doubt.

Anonymous said...

"Not exactly getting much of a taste for it then are they? Very lame bit of scare-mongering there."

Try beating the shit out Iraqi prisoners until they die, is that recent enough for you.

You have not got a clue have you, in your fluffy cacoon, you twat

Anonymous said...

Was Dresden a war crime in your eyes - or was it the necessary action of a desperate nation to disable the manufacturing might of a determined enemy?

You wanker, the place was firestormed, it was full of refugees and had virtually no war production and was therefore unprotected by triple A

One tactic used by the Royal Air Force and the United States Army Air Force was the creation of firestorms. This was achieved by dropping incendiary bombs, filled with highly combustible chemicals such as magnesium, phosphorus or petroleum jelly (napalm), in clusters over a specific target. After the area caught fire, the air above the bombed area, become extremely hot and rose rapidly. Cold air then rushed in at ground level from the outside and people were sucked into the fire.

"In 1945, Arthur Harris decided to create a firestorm in the medieval city of Dresden. He considered it a good target as it had not been attacked during the war and was virtually undefended by anti-aircraft guns. The population of the city was now far greater than the normal 650,000 due to the large numbers of refugees fleeing from the advancing Red Army. "

Deliberately killing civilians is a war crime, or in our current moral vacumn, is that justified by it being an enemy city.

Chemical Winston said...

The British Government and their agencies do naughty things.
There's a surprise.

I Believe New Labour Right Or Wrong said...

Afghanistan was not a war of aggression

Ha Ha Ha

War is Hell said...

"In 1945, Arthur Harris decided to create a firestorm in the medieval city of Dresden. He considered it a good target as it had not been attacked during the war and was virtually undefended by anti-aircraft guns".

He was following specific direction from the Ministry who were instructed to do so by Churchill in order to keep the Russians happy.
War crime or not,don't heap the blame on Bomber.

Anonymous said...

Have the Iraqis and Afghans ever invaded Britain?
Fuck me yes!
There are 100,000 Afghans and allah knows how many Iraqis here and most of the useless cunts are on benefits.
Urban11

Anonymous said...

""You wanker, the place was firestormed, it was full of refugees and had virtually no war production and was therefore unprotected by triple A""

The Big Book of Guardian Revisioned History, perchance?

Appeaser, apologist, moral equivalence, yadda, yadda......

Anonymous said...

One tactic used by the Royal Air Force and the United States Army Air Force was the creation of firestorms. This was achieved by dropping incendiary bombs, filled with highly combustible chemicals such as magnesium, phosphorus or petroleum jelly (napalm), in clusters over a specific target. After the area caught fire, the air above the bombed area, become extremely hot and rose rapidly. Cold air then rushed in at ground level from the outside and people were sucked into the fire.

Ah, cut & paste from the Respect website?

And of course the benevolent German Third Reich never dropped anything on London, or Coventry, or.......

Apologist for nazi aggression - a new low for the hateful left.

Is there anyone or any ideology you would not side with if they stood opposed to us.

Anonymous said...

"'The Enemy' Have the Iraqis or Afghans invaded Britain?"
There are many Iraquis & Afghans in our country - some are genuine asylum seekers driven here by the 'Liberation'& 'Democracy' we have brought to their countries. The rest of them may be good hardworking immigrants or they may be lazy workshy benefit scroungers - I don't know many of them so I can't really comment - don't forget it's OUR govt that has allowed them to come here so best you direct your complaints to the govt, not the immigrants. However, did they 'invade' Britain as UK & US troops did in Iraq with a firestorm over Bagdhad followed by armed troops on the ground - no, they haven't - unless I've missed something? Next question please?
Personally, I think far too many immigrants have been allowed in here but wouldn't you go to a country that gave you free handouts for everything & treated you better than the indignous people? I know I would.

the beast of clerkenwell said...

Just look at the surnames of those who control the banks or media
OOOPS
Most seem to be Jews
maybe the chosen ones just have a gift for those activities.
Try and find a non kike in a position of power at Goldman Sachs ot NM Rothschilds, and just why does the POTUS always get down on one knee to a shithole the size of Wales that doesnt have any mineral wealth?

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous, 12 February 2010 12:33

What the fuck has this to do with the BNP?"

Absolutely nothing at all. But Guthrum isn't going to let a minor detail like that get in the way of another pointless dig at the BNP.

Guthrum said...

"Have the Iraqis and Afghans ever invaded Britain?"
Fuck me yes!

Pointless eh ?

Anonymous said...

Anon 13.31 - how could I be in a 'fluffy cacoon' (your spelling) when I'm advocating the harder line than you, you limp-wristed pussy.

A few rogue beatings by soldiers in Iraq is not the same thing as Gov approved torturing of it's own citizens. Twat.

War is horrid isn't it?

Perhaps next time we should embark on a major leafleting campaign, or get that woman out of Coronation Street to do a ring round of the enemy to placate them. That'll fucking sort it.

Old Holborn said...

Yet again, we thank the Beast for his sage words

Anonymous said...

And of course the benevolent German Third Reich never dropped anything on London, or Coventry, or.......Apologist for nazi aggression - a new low for the hateful left.

The politics of the playground.... you did it first.

Saying Dresden was a warcrime, is not saying the same as saying that the Nazis were justified in any of their war crimes.

No wonder Nu Labour had to reduce the Education systems, God Forbid that anybody should question them.

Anonymous said...

The place is suddenly brimming with dimwitted Israel apologists.
Control of the media and banking can sure
hijack the blind support of the dumb sheeople.

Anonymous said...

Israel apologists? I spent 18 months in Israel, fucking hated the Jews by the time I came home.

Don't see what that's (or they) got to do with 9/11 or the London Tube bombings or terrorist training camps in Afghan though. Or Bomber Harris for that matter.

Get your tin hats here.

Conspiracies R Us.

Anonymous said...

Roper: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law!

More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

Roper: I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you — where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat?

George said...

Wow, Guthrum, torture and journalism without facts and sources is popular today.

How the Anonymous BNP trolls come out of the woodwork when it concerns torturing anyone with a better tan than them.

Fantastic examples of non-sourced-made-up-journalism, which surely the trolls cannot have bothered to read, that would be daft.

As for Mrs Righty-wrong-wing, I think she needs some good cock to cheer her up. Bless her. Its been a while.

righty right wing (mrs) said...

Middle class libertarians are just as bad as middle class Guardianistas.

You resort to self loathing & the politics of fear at the drop of a hat when your political beliefs are challenged.

And of course call people rude names when your arguments fail as surely as your intellect fails when confronted with reasoned arguments as to why you are wankers.

George, Guthrum is looking for someone to stroke his fragile ego - sorry, I meant run his fanclub - you seem to have the servile personality for it.

Go on, you know you want to really.

George said...

Mrs Righty - I disagree with Guthrum on plenty of things, check out the post yesterday about Cadburys.

But the highlighting of piss poor journalism I applaud. Especially from the fucked up idiot who constantly does it, like this article highlights.

'servile' personality?

'rude'names when your arguments fail?

Name the argument, name the place, your views are abhorrent and only reason will help you out of them...

righty right wing (mrs) said...

George, Tosser supreme, Guthrum lap dog, etc etc....

The fact that you decided to belittle my arguments because I am a woman tells me all I need to know about you.

Making derogatory comments to women to shut them up during a political debate or argument is an old established trick of the left.

Now go & snigger in the corner with Guthrum, & let others have a go on the internet - its their library too you know.

righty right wing (mrs) said...

And George, just to remind folks of how you deal with women who disagree with your views, here it is again:

"As for Mrs Righty-wrong-wing, I think she needs some good cock to cheer her up. Bless her. Its been a while."

Arsehole.

I am Stan said...

"As for Mrs Righty-wrong-wing, I think she needs some good cock to cheer her up. Bless her. Its been a while."

Perhaps I can help madam :-)

George said...

I have no problem with women at all, its fascists that bother me, and you are one of them. Drop the ignorant, torture the blacks, lie about the Asians, all Muslims are terrorists - and we could debate.

Oh, and I love how you are playing the 'I'm the victim' card whilst spouting the shit you do... Fair play, you are one of the only BNPers who gives yourself a name - the rest don't even have the balls to do that...

Rogerborg said...

I blame the "security" services. Bunch of liberal bleeding heart pussies. Just bunch of Whitehall Old Boys who get to play with Glocks.

If they had the courage of their convictions, and genuinely believe that Abdul al-Booyaboom is The Terrorists, then they should put a (Commie) bullet in his skull and dump his body in a ditch.

Since they don't do that, and their "evidence" is simply that Achmed from the next village along assured them that Abdul was The Terrorists - in return for money - then they should expect to be treated with the utter contempt that they deserve.

Sir Henry Morgan said...

Bollocks George - I always use my real name, and I'm a known BNPer.

This too is that real name I mentioned.

Stan and I have our differences - but I'll bet he'll confirm thaT i'VE NEVER MADE A SECRET OF BEING A bnpER.

FK - bloody capslock.

I also think torture is stupid - bloke being tortured will tell you anything he thinks you want to hear just to make the pain stop.

George said...

Sorry 'Sir' for tarnishing you all with the same coward-like brush.

Judging whole groups of people with a pre-conceived principle is not something you would advocate is it?

What a pleasure it is to be able to think and write what the fuck we like eh? Something we would be unable to do under the fascists. (unless we had blonde hair and blue eyes of course.)

Sir Henry Morgan said...

And I do judge whole groups of people (some whole groups, anyway).

But I go by their history ... also known as arriving at a decision based on evidence.

And no, I don't hate blacks or muslims etc. If I lived in their shitholes and had a chance to come here and get all sorts of freebies, I'd leap at the chance.

No. I don't hate THEM (even if most of them have to go home) - the people I hate look like us, come from the same places as us and went to the same schools. Well George, people like you, it would seem.

Why do I hate said people? Because they enabled all the foreigners to come here and change this country out of all recognition.

And my passport actually does say 'Sir'.

Sir Henry Morgan said...

George:

It appears you too judge whole groups of people - maybe on history, maybe not.

The BNP for instance? Do you think we're all the same? Do you?

Anonymous said...

i just feel sorry for that Binyam Mohammed chap. Poor sod and he's an Ethiopian you know, not British at all and the Ethiopians don't seem to care about him at all. SOme people have implied he's a terrorist, an islamonazi at best and he deserved everything he got. I think he's lucky that the joooz run everything in this country and they got him off...no that's not right is it.

thespecialone said...

I think that the point is that the BBC and media in general seem to hang off every word that BM says as though it is gospel. Fuck me I know that if I become a druggie or an alkie I am off to Afghanistan as they obviously have better support groups over there to help me with my addictions. Or was it a computer course he was on? Oh. One more thing. Why are we spending so much time on this person when he is NOT British?

righty right wing (mrs) said...

Oh George you arse. how many times day do you humiliate yourself?

"" Fair play, you are one of the only BNPers who gives yourself a name - the rest don't even have the balls to do that..."

The clue is in the name: "Right Wing"

The unmentionables are Pol Potesque agrarian national socialists: "Left Wing"

First with the sexism - failed & rebutted.

Then an accusation of being a part of the unmentionables.

I have really rattled you - but then successful women with strong opinions do have an adverse effect on men with very small penises & ultra low esteem.

For the record I despise all forms of socialism, especially National Socialism as rebranded by the unmentionables.

You are a small minded fuckwit - calling people racist when they are patently not is the lowest.

You are a first class twat & I wont ask you to apologise, you are absolutely nothing to me for it to be worth a damn.

Dismissed.

George said...

Glad your 'victim' act has quickly disappeared...

Oh, I'm a women, I don't like people who pick on women, oh my lord, please don't, oh please, it hurts, your picking on me, stop it, stop it, stop it!

'Sir', I believe in freedom. Freedom to think, write and say what you, me and Mrs righty (no sex for years) want to...

I'm afraid I cannot take responsibility for British imperialism of past generations. Although I suspect you would love a return to such 'wonderful times'.

Freedom. Freedom to think, speak and write what the fuck I like. I and would die to defend the right for you to say whatever you like. However, I suspect you would prefer it if we all agreed with you. That's the fucking difference. I like difference, you despise it. I enjoy different opinions and cultures, you only know one. You only like one, and you would prefer it if everyone was the same as you. What a fucking nightmare that would be!

Sir Henry Morgan said...

Go somewhere we you can see all the pretty colours you want - but why impose it on me without even so much as a 'by your leave'.

No george I don't hate them - It's you.

Oh George - if I'm so afraid of difference how did it happen I was married to an Asian woman for almost a quarter-century? How does it happen that my daughter is mixed race?

Please explain the link between that and "fear of difference"?

Your family got plenty of brown people in?

George said...

I have no idea who you are, what your past is like, and what race your family might be. I am referring to the 'principle of fascism' and the policies outlined by the BNP.

I explained my principles. I believe in freedom. Simple. Something I thought I made clear?

I have never imposed anything on you. In fact I have never 'imposed' anything on anyone. Why would I? I respect your right to believe in what you want, and I expect the same in return. Simple. Again.

Your own post gives away the hypocrisy of your beliefs.

"Go somewhere we (sic) you can see all the pretty colours you want - but why impose it on me without even so much as a 'by your leave'."

and

"Please explain the link between that and "fear of difference"?

The fact you don't want ANY other colours explains it just fine.

How could you be 'free' to marry an Asian women when you don't want any other races or cultures here?

Smell the double standards 'Sir'.

Anonymous said...

Mossad trainee caught planting fake bomb:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8377746.stm

It appears that planting bombs is inherent part of Mossad training, and you lot whine about Muslims...

Sir Henry Morgan said...

Don't read too good do you George.

Phoebe said...

You talk about torture!!! :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ78EPMglEc&feature=youtu.be

oldfella said...

Whatever happened to the Ian Tomlinson case?

Why does it take so long for the police/CPS to investigate this matter?

What exactly is the nature of UK democracy???

Anonymous said...

Who cares about that old alky waste of oxygen, what a pain in the arse he was, funny how the faaaaamlee all miss him and can't stop grieving when he lived in a Smithfield flop for 8 years and none of them went near him. Compo - eh? What a magic effect that has on peeps!

What is the nature of UK Democracy? There's no such thing mate - they're all the same, all piggies in the trough, all the same under the skin, feeding off you and me and everyone else. The 'people' all a bunch of mouth breathing benefit claiming ming mongs an immigrants.

What the fuck are you going to achieve bleating about it all on here? Eh?

George said...

Sir Henry Morgan - Such brilliant prose from yourself

"Go somewhere we you can see all the pretty colours you want"

That was yours.

Also looking forward to seeing the multi-coloured BNP now you have to change your rules eh? Haha...

George said...

Now you and your pretend Asian wife can join the BNP together, ah sweet, on Valentines Day. Bless.

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