Sunday, 17 January 2010

UKIP- Rolling Back The Years



Obnoxio comments on UKIP's new 'flagship', and successful eye catching 'ban the Burqa' stunt. Trying to Out BNP the BNP.

I do not want to hear one more word on how UKIP is Britain's only Libertarian Party. Fancy having your office raided viz Nikki Sinclaire MEP, join UKIP the party of kick arse 1950's authoritarianism. UKIP is all things to all men as long as you hate the EU.

By using the word 'hate' I am being specific, because this is the gout ridden, red faced emotional reaction to Johnny Foreigner. UKIP are fully aware that the have very little to offer than this one pressure group offering of 'Out of the EU', but the best they could come up with was bashing Johnny Foreigner for what they wear. I say lets ban tweeds and MCC ties whilst we are about it.

The Libertarian Party is agin the EU because it is more big, costly, unrepresentative Government. AND the people of the UK have not assented to it. Therefore it is illegitimate.

I do not give a monkey's if people want to wear burqas,MCC ties or pink thongs in the street. As long as they are doing nothing harmful to others, who cares.

If UKIP and the BNP are appealing to the foul mouthed, drunk, white working classes who were thrown off the train, I was travelling on yesterday. I want the BNP and UKIP to 'ban' them as well. In fact lets ban everything we do not agree with personally.

I find Lord Pearson offensive to look at and listen to, but I am happy to let him push on not be banned and sink UKIP into a party of Colonel Blimps

63 comments:

Anonymous said...

UK will simply split the anti labour vote and in some seats risk letting them in again. Labour will know that most UKIP votes will come from people who would never vote labour anyway. Labour welcome UKIP!

Anonymous said...

I meant UKIP in the first line.

Eric Von Pickles said...

Forward with
Social Conservatism

Anonymous said...

Tories/UKIP = BlueLabour.

ullage said...

Farage must be fuming

Snowolf said...

Oh, that's just fucking great. In the absence of a Libertarian candidate in my constituency come the GE, who the hell do I vote for now.

I was looking forward to not spoiling my paper.

What a bunch of fucktards.

bofl said...

perhaps the banning of religion might be a good idea?

filling babies heads with nonsense about the sky pixies and 77 virgins is evil.designed to create unthinking zombies who will fight the cause of whatever cult.........

of course filling the uk with an alien culture wasn't a very good idea was it? who thought that one up?

perhaps it was our history scholar?

i suppose he forgot how well we all used to get on during the crusades?

got to run-aiwass has just materialized in my kitchen and he told us that we should all be following him and that gabriel has told mo what to do just for a laugh!

GCooper said...

This is the blog that carried a virulently anti-Jewish piece the other day, isn't it?

SO17 said...

What's a girl to do?
Well I aint voting LibLabCon that's for sure.

Anonymous said...

LPUK aren't even going to stand where I live - I betcha. Maybe you'll stand in some London seat where it all happens, but not here.

UKIP will, though.

Dick Puddlecote said...

To be fair, I believe UKIP isn't calling for a total ban of the burqa. Merely that when in dealings with others they should be expected to take it off for recognition/politeness purposes.

Might have been better left alone altogether though, tis true.

Merseyman said...

You know something Holby - your blog is this way then that, no real direction just full of shite.

BTW hows your FREEMAN status coming along? Sold the Skoda yet? You are a bullshitter who likes to lead the less intelligent down the garden path , over the garden wall, and straight over the cliff.

WV: "Bullis"

Anonymous said...

Stay in with a bottle of booze. Dont even waste your time and energy on the so-called independents. Cock sniffing troughers in waiting.

Giolla said...

Dick: it's a bit hard to tell as there aren't any details on their website but you do seem to be right. They just want to ban them in public building and private buildings. Given the stated reason is that they're worried about "anything which conceals a woman's face" surely it'd make more sense to ban that rather than just one specific face covering? And also why just women?

Old Holborn said...

Skoda?

I don't have a Skoda.

And the freeman thing is splendid.

Rogerborg said...

Guthrum, old stick, Do you know anyone dwho is forced by their male owners to wear tweeds and MCC ties?

Pogo said...

@bofl: ... and 77 virgins..

I thought it was 72 - or are you allowing for inflation?

bofl said...

pogo-typo...

guthrum in la la land said...

we will see Guthrum how long your libertarian ideals last when they are a demographic majority!

this is why i hate dogmatic politics like the idiotic libertarians.

they are the blind leading the blind.

ullage said...

As some female has commented elsewhere, it would be difficult to justify not banning huge sunglasses, daft hats or Sloane-style headscarves as well as burkas if the stated reason is to ensure the face is visible in public. As for male compulsion, from my own admittedly limited observation it seems that at least some of the pressure comes from mothers and grannies keen to maintain family dignity and marriageability.

Cultural practices are a minefield and best kept out of as long as they don't directly cause personal injury or mental illness. If a woman feels oppressed by her family and seeks legal protection if she wishes to stop burka-wearing then I would support her freedom to do so; but I wouldn't presume that all or even most women who don this garb do so out of fear. Anyway, this is Britain, not bloody France.

I am disappointed in UKIP on this.

Anonymous said...

Letting millions of Muslims into the west was a cultural Chernobyl. But what can you expect when our entire political class is driven by nothing more than greed, vanity and malice.

ullage said...

Thing is, Anon, we are where we are. In many ways I wish it were 1950 instead of 2010, but there's no going back.

Anonymous said...

So the fake UKIP party is doing its job - badly, of trying to undermine a real nationalist party.

Unfortuinately for UKIP all they do is give the BNP more credibility.

When the BNP stand alone - even with majority support for its policies, people feel marginalised and shy away from the truth.

When others stand by a similar ideology - for whatever reason, the taboos/lies are broken and people no longer feel marginalised and support grows and grows most for those that are more truthful and consistant.

UKIP rather than undermining the BNP are in fact bolstering it.

This can only be a good thing as it will open real debate and real alternatives to the soviet style system of tyranny we currently live under.

It exposes the lib lab con cartel for what it is.

Vladimir said...

Nice one, UKIP for giving so much ammo to the people who see no difference between UKIP and the BNP on the grounds that they're both "far right". Epic fail, you mongtards.

@1253: "You know something Holby - your blog is this way then that, no real direction just full of shite."

Ah, but this is Guthrum not Holborn. I'd still like to know what Guthrum thinks about Holborn's "Zionist Conspiracy" post from last week, since by posting here, he is effectively associating himself with it... So Guthrum, are there "too many" Jews in parliament?

Tories helped Saddam gas the kurds said...

Tories helped Saddam gas the kurds

January 17, 2010 at 3:36 pm
So Chemical Ali has been sentenced to death in Iraq for using chemical gas against the Kurds in the Halabja massacre, March 17, 1988 that killed 5000 people, but why havent the ministers in the Tory government, and Margaret Thatcher who authorised the sale of the chemical weapons plant, Falluja 2, that supplied the components for the poison gas been prosecuted for supplying the technology to make weapons of mass destruction – even though the Thatcher government knew that the factory they signed an export license to be built in Iraq would be used to make poison gas ?

Note how the issue of Thatcher and the Tories involvement in arming Saddam Hussein has been whitewashed from history.

Article on the Tory government arming Saddam Hussein with gas plant ;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/mar/06/uk.iraq

Article on the 17 British arms companies that supplied Saddam Hussein with weapons that were later used to kill and maim British troops in Iraq with munitions produced and supplied by British firms ;

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0223-07.htm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1243902/Saddam-Husseins-cousin-Chemical-Ali-sentenced-death-poison-gas-attack-killed-5-000.html

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Vladimir said...
17 January 2010 15:38

Mmmm I find it strange that people often question under representation of certain groups but never over representation unless it happens to be white Christians?

How odd!

Rather racist in fact!

Clive said...

H/T: The Sunday Times:

Whitehall rebels over ‘brutish’ Gordon Brown

GORDON BROWN’S government is “weak” and “dysfunctional” with a “strategic gap” at its heart, Britain’s top civil servants have warned, in a devastating critique of the state of Whitehall.

A report, based on the testimonies of 60 senior civil servants, has found that Downing Street and the Treasury “have few tools beyond the brute force of political edict”.

Anonymous said...

Clive said...
H/T: The Sunday Times:

Whitehall rebels over ‘brutish’ Gordon Brown

GORDON BROWN’S government is “weak” and “dysfunctional” with a “strategic gap” at its heart, Britain’s top civil servants have warned, in a devastating critique of the state of Whitehall.

A report, based on the testimonies of 60 senior civil servants, has found that Downing Street and the Treasury “have few tools beyond the brute force of political edict”.

17 January 2010 15:48

Yes it is the planned collapse of Brown. the NWO are pulling the plug and have been pulling the plug for the last 6 months.

The NWO have got all they can get from him that the public will tolerate, they now need a new stooge to hoodwink the public and to continue their totalitarian takeover.

And here comes EU Dave, the new rubber stamping apparatchik for the EU.

Edgar said...

Guthrum. I guess some people who come here know that you are a leading member of LPUK: others may not. It would be ethical of you to admit that fact when you post about other parties' libertarian credentials.

I am torn three ways. As a member myself of LPUK, I agree in principle with everything you say. I am not tied to act according to my principles - no-one is. Principles are ideals that can be used to help come to a decision. What matters in the real and physical world is 'what works?'. What can you do to achieve the most importanmt goal?

For me, the most important goal is to help whatever process is most likely to get the United Kingdom out of the EU. Right now there is no doubt whatsoever what process is most likely to achieve that goal. That is voting UKIP.

I'm sorry if you think that disloyal: it isn't, it is merely practical. Young Burridge amassed 36 votes for LPUK. Frankly, that level of support isn't a basis for current optimism. I hope that LPUK makes a lot more headway in the years to come, but right now, I want out of Europe.

And if that means appealing to those fearful of the Islamicisation of this country, I'll go along with that. Indeed, I'm not at all sure those fears are unjustified.

Anonymous said...

Guthrum, Obo the Bozo and all the other Glibertarians....FUCK OFF!

Anonymous said...

politicians Blah Blah Blah, the only promise we want from our politicians is the promise of True Democracy in the UK, where the people will hold the power that our politicians have proved they can't be trusted with, where our politicians will always have someone looking over their shoulder, where the politicians will fear the people and not the other way round as it now is, check out gopetition.com "True Democracy in the UK" if you like it spread the word and go to www.theyworkforyou.com and get your MP to sign as a show of good faith, if they won't then vote for someone who will help you take the power that is rightly yours.
"With Power comes Freedom" enjoy the freedom and use the power wisely. Lets get rid of all the crooks at the 2010 election.

Guthrum said...

Ah, but this is Guthrum not Holborn. I'd still like to know what Guthrum thinks about Holborn's "Zionist Conspiracy" post from last week, since by posting here, he is effectively associating himself with it... So Guthrum, are there "too many" Jews in parliament?


This is my personal view, not the LPUK's view.

I have utter contempt for anybody who has all the answers because they are the Herrenvolk, The Chosen People, followers of the Phrophet. It all ends in the same way- blood running down the streets, because the faithful do not need to think.

It reduces their 'opponents' to non humans, which allows Dachau, the Gulags, the killing fields and the shelling of Gaza and the ethnic cleansing of the West Bank and Bosnia.

It is IMHO 'groupthink' is the rule of the unthinking mob, which is why I have respect for all cultures and individuals. However if that culture or individual declares undying violence against me I will defend myself with utmost force.

I have worked in Israel, the middle east and Africa. People are people.

Its when they get organised into groups/religions/political movements that you get problems.

OH is free to say what he wants, as am I. I am not tainted by association, nor should OH be tainted by my views. We a not a 'group', therefore we do not indulge in 'groupthink'.

What I do think is a mistake is that Brown/Balls/Mandelson should be photographed with a Menorah on the mantelpiece. Would they have dreamt of having a Russian Flag/US Flag/Copy of the Koran in the shot ?

Government, if we have to have it should be secular, not displaying 'ethnic' symbols of any kind. Doing so makes legitimate concern of the impartiality of Government.

BenS said...

Yeah, I don't really get how UKIP can on one hand say burkhas should be banned, then on the other claim to be libertarian. It's like when Tories claim to be libertarian; clearly just patented bollocks.

That said, given UKIP's #1 agenda is an exit from the EU, they're an obvious choice if no independents are standing.

Colin MacDonald said...
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McEgan's Mummy said...

Typical muddled thinking from the Glibertarian left (yes, I know, one of them will be straight back on here peddling the worn out 'I'm neither Left, Right or...' bullshit)

The fact is this. What about *my* liberty ? What about the freedom of *my* people who are being made foreigners in theor own country by a never-ending influx of 3rd world ragheads who hate our way of life and want to ultimately impose their beliefs and cultural 'values' on us ?

What about that ?

No-one ever asked me if I wanted to have millions of towelheads brought into my country and now I'm supposed to care about their cultural sensitivities in the name of some airy-fairy 'Libertarian' bullshit ideal.

Fuck that for a game of soldiers.

I voted BNP in June and will be doing so again at the next election.

I think most people are beginning to realise that 'Libertarianism' is just a hotch-potch of half-baked ideas with no sense of coherent direction or policy other than swearing at the establishment and wearing fancy dress costumes in public...

Old Holborn said...

You'd be surprised how many fancy dress costumes the establishment has.

Personally speaking, I am a citizen of the world and would like to see tha abolition of all borders/passports

There are plenty of places in the world I could make an excellent living using my excellent skills but can't get a visa.

Guthrum and his libertarian stone tablets! said...

McEgan's Mummy said...
17 January 2010 17:38

Spot on!

and judging by Guthrums near record low score 2.7 you are not the only one sick of the contradiction that is globalist liberal bullshit.

We have the communist nuts on one side and the libertarian nuts on the other.

Neither would respect the democratic wishes of the people, they have everything mapped out on their stone tablets!

Guthrum said...

I think most people are beginning to realise that 'Libertarianism' is just a hotch-potch of half-baked ideas with no sense of coherent direction or policy

Oh God Oh God I only got 2.7 points

Whereas Left Authoritarism is totally coherent, get the cattle trucks moving.

Vladimir said...

Thanks for your response Guthrum. I mostly agree, but I still say that OH's anti-Jew ranting is off-putting, and it might well come back to haunt you. We never forget that Mandelscum once associated with out-and-proud Stalinists... similarly, others will not forget that you associated with OH, and I honestly do hope that this association doesn't end up reflecting badly on you.

Guthrum said...

similarly, others will not forget that you associated with OH, and I honestly do hope that this association doesn't end up reflecting badly on you.

Ahh The 'old judge a man by the company he keeps' ploy.

I prefer Listen and Learn, and keep my own judgement on many matters

What is sad is that an alleged rant against Jews is to be frowned upon, but alleged rant against muslims is perfectly acceptable. Why ? In the 1890's the Jews were the hated foreigners and incomers, what has changed ?

There is not one group, religion, or political thought that does not benefit from constant probing to burst the pomposity of their propaganda that they 'are justified without a shadow of a doubt in the actions they take on behalf of the group'

There is alway room for doubt in everything, otherwise it is just blind unthinking obedience

Old Holborn said...

Vladimir

Free association is a fundamental of Libertarianism

Come back soon. When you understand. I'm sure it won't be long now.

kingchillout said...

the only time I have ever voted UKIP was because there was no BNP candidate on the ballot.

Farage is a brilliant politician. Everytime I see him on TV he talks absolute common sense, but the trouble is he IS UKIP. There is nothing else to them bar him.

Banning the burka ? Good, I say. This is Britain, not Pakistan. If Pakistan want to ban tweed and M.C.C. ties, let them. It is their right to do so.

Old Holborn said...

Sigh

We don't need more laws

We need less.

I really, really couldn't give a toss what Muslim women wear.

Bunch of Berks said...

Thank fuck there is more chance of a Jew pulling his foreskin over his head than the Glibertarians ever getting in Government.

They make Nu Labour look good.

Old Holborn said...

We don't seek Government

Fool

We seek freedom FROM Government

Run along now.

Bunch of Berks said...

Old Holborn said...

'We don't seek Government'

We know, you just seek attention.

Fool

Fuck off now.

kingchillout said...

Just because it could be a new law, doesn't mean it would be a bad law.

It draws a line. It shows that we are only willing to tolerate so much.
It's about time we did.

Vladimir said...

Nowhere have I said that you should not have freedom of association. Do what you will, and say what you want, but beware that people will judge you by the company that you keep and the things that you say.

mr social uniform, bnp member (naturist branch) said...

i've been reading the next blog-post, 'how to beat the scanners'. you're a fucking genius old ho! in order to uphold the bnp's central principle of observing complete intellectual rigour, we should pursue this overflow of philosophical thinking to its logical and inevitable destination: let's ban clothes all-together.

Guthrum said...

Farage is a brilliant politician.

Sigh- More Hero worship from somebody who needs a leader

I am Stan said...

Do you really want guvmint telling you what you can and cannot wear?,Burka today,shell suits tommorow!.....mmmm..maybe just shell suits then,and anything berburry.

righty right wing (mrs) said...

The Burka is a political statement, not a dress code.

There is nothing in the Koran or the Hadith or the Sunnah that demands this piety from women.

Burka's / Niqab's are a political statement for radical Islam to all infidels.

To defend them is the height of political naivety & utter stupidity.

AndrewWS said...

Even some of UKIP's teenage scribblers can see how absurd this is:

http://www.indhome.com/2010/01/dont-ban-the-burka/

Time for them to join LPUK, methinks.

Maturecheese said...

Either one of those parties would be a better bet than the shower of shit that occupies the benches in Parliament right now. LPUK is decades away from any hint of power.

ukipwebmaster said...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGJgL93hqeM

Anonymous said...

"We don't seek Government"

"We seek freedom FROM Government"

So joining LPUK is like being a fan of a football team that doesn't want to play football.

UKIP are the only viable alternative (unless you are a fascist)to the lib/lab/con trick.

libertyscott said...

I gave up hope about UKIP when one of the spokemen said something about how the EU stops the government from subsidising the Royal Mail and "makes us" allow foreign investment.

UKIP = conservative socialists of the pre-Thatcher variety.

There is one good thing about the EU - which would be achieved if the UK was simply a member of EFTA - free trade and movement of (non criminal) citizens among member states.

All of the rest is counter-productive to freedom.

Anonymous said...

fckukip

Crumpled Fiveskin said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HazQlWgdzg

When it comes to choosing between the BNP and the rest... I'm now converted... it's BNP all the way... I will NEVER vote for anyone else - they are all fucking scum.

It's a shame it had to come to this, but it's time this country showed some balls - even the French take less shit than we do, and that, facing my French friends, is frankly, embarrassing.

Voting out Labour is not enough for me - I want them dancing on the gibbet... burned, hanged, drawn, and quartered, and their stupid heads stamping on.

I can't be the only native British fucker in this country who is beyond anger with Gordon and his brownshirts.
Something tells me that we need another riot like the poll tax to clear the air... we have been so cowed by these evil, immoral, retarded bastards... into believing that we deserve the country the way it is... anyone who knows anything about our history knows that rioting and revolution are at the core of our national and ethnic identity, not this fake Victorian stiff upper lip bullshit.

We need to throw our tellies out of the window and DESTROY the Labour Party at the general election - FOREVER!

... and STOP THE BBC!!!

(...back to my gin and bollocks)

Crumpled Fiveskin said...

"Do you really want guvmint telling you what you can and cannot wear?,Burka today,shell suits tommorow!.....mmmm..maybe just shell suits then,and anything berburry."

YES!
Ban it all, and stick 'em in fucking khaki.

BANNING Shit is GOOD... I am not a Libertarian... only idiots, uneducated (e.g.: in terms of grasping critical thinking), and the mentally ill are Libertarians... "anything" DOES NOT "go".

I've never seen a Libertarian dress well or form a cogent argument... maybe a bonobo chimp could, but not a Libertarian.

Crumpled Fiveskin said...

"We don't seek Government"

"We seek freedom FROM Government"

So joining LPUK is like being a fan of a football team that doesn't want to play football.

UKIP are the only viable alternative (unless you are a fascist)to the lib/lab/con trick."

ANOTHER idiot who doesn't understand what Fascism is!
Apart from not bothering to read (or understand) Giovanni Gentile (or Johnny Genitalia to his mates), you fail to spot the Fascistic behaviour of the Lib/Lab/Con regime... Fascism is Statism... want an example? try North Korea... China... Burma... Singapore... Iran... Saudi Arabia... Byelorussia... get the picture? It's where the state regards all citizens as resources to command centrally (remind you of "Communism"? It should - because that's Fascism too... only the Vatican City and Christiania are remotely Commie in the true sense).
Fascism, is not the same as being patriotic or ethnocentric... in fact, it's opposed to it, because it seeks to subsume all identities into that of the state... such as in many a 70s sci-fi melodrama, like THX1138 or Soylent Green; not to mention 1984 and Gattica or Equilibrium... or even Metropolis... so hinting that the BNP is Fascist is simply false... (phew), so we call all vote for them now, we've got permission (from the evidence). yawn... (why do they let these fuckers into uni? get a ropey Sociology degree from Colchester Poly, and think you can lecture the whole country on morality?!).

Fuck UKIP, they are the party of the bowling green and pissed up golf club sociopath.

Crumpled Fiveskin said...

Old Holborn, 17 January 2010 22:09

Sigh

We don't need more laws

We need less.

I really, really couldn't give a toss what Muslim women wear."

I don't care what they wear either - as long as they get the fuck out of my country!
They can wear what they like in ragheadstan, but here? fuck that shit - get out, and stay out, or it's back to the 1550s in short order.

Crumpled Fiveskin said...

Old Holborn, 17 January 2010 18:10

You'd be surprised how many fancy dress costumes the establishment has.

Personally speaking, I am a citizen of the world and would like to see tha abolition of all borders/passports

There are plenty of places in the world I could make an excellent living using my excellent skills but can't get a visa."

Well with ideas like "I'm a citizen of the world.." it's no fuckin' wonder.. I'd lock the gates if I saw a dippy hippy like you strolling up to "spread love".
"citizen of the world"? I ask you... how fucking naive are you?
Most of the security, crime, and human trafficking is from people like you who think that we should all be "citizens of the world", forgetting that most REAL "citizens of the world" are ruthless hardened criminals, who will fistfuck your pansy arse if you give 'em the time of day.

Newsflash, there are too many people in the world, and huge economic and political and FOOD disparities, and there are tangible threats to the prosperity we hold dear from people in the developing world.
The world is NOT going to transmogrify into a Michael Jackson video, we face war, pestilence, famine, and death on a global scale, and most of it in the politically unpleasant (i.e. China) and tropically unstable (i.e. Yemen) parts of the world... GET REAL man!
There's nowhere to run or hide... not NZ, OZ, or Chile, or EFTA, the UK is where it's at, and we have to take it back, or lose it to desperate grateful people from the desperate parts of the world! how can you be older than me and not know this?!

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