Wednesday, 27 January 2010

Poverty

Benny Fitz-Clements and his mates knocking at the front door.

Tom Harris has thrown up an interesting thread on the subject of Poverty. He states, quite rightly in my opinion that there is no real poverty in this country, just a widening gap between the super rich and ordinary citizens.

Nobody dies in the UK of starvation because the State doesn't allow it - good thing

Nobody is killed if they earn over £1M a year - good thing.

However Tom, what your government has introduced is a system where there are no negative consequences to not working. None.


“work hard, get lucky and you’ll own a Learjet”


“work hard and you’ll own a BMW”


“Sit on the couch all day belching Stella and you’ll still get a car (an old banger mind), a washing machine, some beer vouchers, a fridge, a cooker, a TV, somewhere to live, free school meals and free health and education. All translated into Urdu if you need it. Just vote Labour”

The problem we have is that more and more of us are now content NOT to work our guts out for a BMW when frankly, the alternative is sit back, drive a 12 year old Mondeo and charge everything to the State. Millions have seen the benefits "light". Millions more are clammering across the Sahara or swimming across the Bosphorus to take Labour up on the offer.

The short term power grabs by 646 greedy little people is creating millions of mediocre and dull lives, content to watch TV and do nothing else. Fat, lazy and useless. Just like their paymasters.

100 comments:

British Engineer said...

Too true.

Labour have turned the indigenous population into welfare junkies in order to justify the lunacy of unlimited & uncontrolled immigration.

As admitted by those Labour traitors recently this was done to change the British electorate forever & wipe out the Tories.

Importing loads of Labour friendly hoards from anywhere was their priority.

They abandoned the white working class long ago.

Labours true legacy?

Inter-generational debt & the rise of British National Socialism.

They will pay a heavy price.

John R said...

I really dont understand why we allow reports like this be be generated. As long as the innumerate Labour money-wasters and their various qunago-hangers-on continue to define poverty in relative rather than absolute terms then we will always have this so-called problem.

For example, if everyone in the UK (other than one bloke) earned a 100 billion, scrillion pounds a year would that make the unlucky sod who “only” earned £60 billion, scrillion poor? Of course not, he would still be able to buy everything he’d ever dreamed of; pay off Gordon's outrageous QE debt; jump on Bransons orbital rocket for fun and still afford a bag of chips (to put on his shoulder) on the way home.

Focus on generating the wealth first not distributing it – that comes a long way second.

Anonymous said...

Wait till we get the TORY quango's.

No change!

Marchamont Needham said...

How Dare You.

The indigenous population who claim benefits are true British Bulldogs - they all have bad backs.

Former UK tax-payer said...

Yes, and bustin' your butt to try to succeed in business in the current tax regime in Britain is ludicrous folly. There's no disincentive to be idle, but there are plenty of disincentives to being productive. No wonder all the experience, entrepreneurship and capital are fleeing the UK in droves. What is it - 300,000+ ethnic Britons a year, and look at the crap that's coming in to replace them. Britain will be another Zimbabwe in 20 years at this rate. I'm forced to conclude that's what they want it to be, too.

Last Sign of Washoe. said...

There is real poverty in the U.K, those that have it do not have recourse to a laptop.

Anonymous said...

free school meals and free health and education..

I hardly think you can call what they get an "education". If the underclass received an education in anything other than voting Labour, breeding bastards and feeling entitled, they would cease to be the underclass.

Plainly having a quality education for all people is not in Labour's interests, which is why Labour have done their best to fuck education up at every opportunity over the last century.

FTAC Watch said...

I don't have a cooker, or even a real bed.

I don't want a hand-out, I want to work. However the government won't let me.

It's my own fault, I am a white British male and don't support Labour.

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JD said...

I used to employ anything up to 25 people at a time, but gave it up as I became more of a collector of money for government than a producer of goods and wealth. It was simply not worth working that hard when I was deprived of the return. Now I earn a lot less for myself, and almost nothing for the parasites, and feel much better for it.JD.

Anonymous said...

. Britain will be another Zimbabwe in 20 years at this rate" Whats wrong with that? loads of money as I have, wait for it, a one hundred trillion dollar banknote
(100,000,000,000,000,)all I have to do is change it into real money or wait till QE kicks in.

Anon 00.32 said...

@eight rounds rapid


"tofu jihadist" ROFL

eight rounds rapid said...

Hey, thanks Anon! That little spark of recognition's made my day =)

caesars wife said...

Carefull OH your on the verge of telling everyone why socialism is a load of twaddle , ending in despotic goverments and unbalanced ecnomics .

Being serious though , work is very important , having a load of no skills , will not enable rebuilding of anything , let alone the rather sad effects of becoming proles in proleville.

bofl said...

i dont think you are right on this one....there are millions of people living in dire straights........

usually they do something to make money.......cash work,boot fairs,sell ciggies or drugs etc..........

living on £65 a week is not feasable......

i have applied for over 200 jobs in the last year.........not one interview!

the dole told me to find some training.so i was accepted by aa university.went back to the dole for them to tell me that i couldnt go because 'i had to be available for work'........

i didnt mind getting £40,000 in debt for a qualification!!!

i could tell of many other stories where the govt. actually fuck things up..........it is going to get really tough soon when all the govt spending has to stop.........

stop having a go at the unemployed.i guarantee you that 90% want a job.......but many have given up hope...me? i am building a an arc!

Old Holborn said...

Bofl

Take control of YOUR life. Stop relying on the State.

You have two legs and two arms, a brain and eyes. Use them to make some money.

Buy and sell. It's worked for every single person on the planet for the last 2 million years.

Old Holborn said...

8RR

I'm intending to use it as well.

Tofu Jihadist. Excellent blog name

blind leading the blind said...

Again OH looks at the symptoms and not the disease!

The Benefits scape goat gets wheeled out again to reinforce OHs bigoted blinkered view of the world and the country.

We had this benefits system for decades, at a time when we had full employment.

clearly the benefits system is not to blame.

What is to blame is globalisation and the stripping out of British industry and the goverment and companies using imported scab Labour to drive down costs.

People already qualified - meaning no investment in training our young, importing people with lower overheads who can live 10 to a house.

The we have the scrapping of grammer schools and the dumming down of our education system.

This genererally means the working class hear a lot about equality but never see it, they see when they do train someone will be imported to compete for housing and someone who will already have experience and be prepared to work for less.

what we got was - no training, no investment, unrealistic hopes and a society propped up, not by wealth by debt.

Debt became the method to create the false impression that the working classes std of living hadnt been destroyed by mass immigration and assette stripping the country.

we could have paid our low paid nurses more instead of stealing the third worlds, which would have increased hope for the working class nurses and an opportunity to share in the countries elites prosperity, why should we pay them so little? same for all essential workers, forget the quangos and shit. we could have opened grammer schools to give the young a real sense of equality rather than bulldust.

This is why the mainstream push Jordan with her tits out as a role model, why they push x factor, why they push the lottery, its for the working class slaves who see their real hopes slip away from them, people who leave school with a PHD in PC self destruction, but can barely read and write, and for all you morons who talk about immigrant work ethic, remeber this - it lasts ONE generation and the next is often in a worse position than what we had!

blind leading the blind said...

cont...Because for the large part of the working class this is about the only way they will crawl out of the poverty trap that was set for them.

Set for them by Labour to keep a captive voter base - with ever more imported and and set for them by the tories as they see themselfs as superior rather than priviledged.

as for benefits themselfs, it appears that OH has little real world experience and gets most of his info from the sun.

yes single mothers is an issue but the benefits system itself is not as generous or lax as he would like to portray.

In fact the social security system for the average person made unemployed is strict and barely enough to feed yourself and pay the bills, let alone drive a car long term.

but back to the single mother issue, clearly that is a serious issue that was fuled by the communists take over of womens slavery and hatred of the secure family unit - sorry I mean womens Lib!

Liberation?

Now the state gets two working class people working in the factory for the price of one and the childrem turn into brainwashed self hating animals by the state schools!

a deliberate franfurt school of neo marxism - PC attempt to destroy a stable society along with its other destructive methods.

a fatherless society where the state through the education system becomes the role model, the authority figure. where the brainwashed children rule the parents.

But getting back to the benefits system you will find that once the country has been totally consumed by the NWO and it no longer has an identity and everyone is working for a bowl of rice a day to compete with the chineses and reduced to chinese level conditions, THE OH will get his dream, the benifits system will be cut dead.

The the eugenics system the NWO seem so obsessed by will kick in, just dont get old or sick eh!

notice how the media now CONSTANTLY push for assisted suicide!

So rather than screeming about benefits you shopuld be screeming for opportunities for our young and halting the destructive process that is mass immigration

Any of the people who hysterically attacked OH last week want to comment? said...

In a speech to the Manufacturers Association, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned of the dangers of high immigration numbers. Like the United States, workers unions in Israel want an increase in immigration numbers, but Netanyahu is looking to pass strict immigration enforcement laws.

"You will not like this, but we plan to legislate strict laws and enforce them with a firm hand against the illegal employment of infiltrators and foreign workers," Netanyahu told the Manufacturers Association.

The Prime Minister also spoke about the "cultural, social, and economic damage" created by accepting a large number of immigrants. With an unsecured border with Egypt and close proximity to other Third World nations, Israel's economic success and prosperity has led to immigration issues much like the United States.

"Anyone walking around Arad, Eilat, or even south Tel Aviv today, can see this wave, and the change it is creating, with their own eyes," Netanyahu said. "They are causing socio-economic and cultural damage and threaten to take us back down to the level of the Third World. They take the jobs of the weakest Israelis."

A proposed immigration enforcement bill in Israel would construct a fence along the Egyptian border and calls for stricter penalties for Israelis who help illegal crossings.

"This is a strategic decision, that will ensure the Jewish and democratic character of the State of Israel," Netanyahu said. "Israel will remain open to war refugees, but will not allow its borders to be used to flood it will illegal foreign workers."

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bofl said...

o/h.....i worked non- stop for 25 years.......my company closed down....

it happens.open your eyes.companies are closing every day.it will get worse!!!!!!

i paid in thousands PER MONTH so i am not relying on the state......i am doing something else now-just takes a little time to set up.........

if that's ok with you?

if you know everything i will ask a question..........E.On are closing in rayleigh.so not too far from you and i....where will they all find jobs? at the hsbc in southend that has closed? or first data in basildon which is laying off 200-400 this week?

what biz should we go into that is so wonderful at the moment? i mean self employed.........open a shop?
be a car mechanic? optician? hairdresser?

buy and sell what?
10p books on ebay with free postage means losing money?

perhaps i should go and buy £5000 worth of solar panels?
then find that no fucker is building or wants them because they have just been made redundant and havent got the cash?

sounds easy but it all takes time energy and money.also nowadays usually qualifications,crb checks,h+e and loads of other bollocks!


life is full of ups and downs.....

you may suffer a down at some stage so dont get too carried away with being smug at the moment......

bofl said...

ps E.On losing 600 jobs

the beast of clerkenwell said...

No fucker wants to live here, Mrs (maybe)Beast says "why do you live there ?"
*Its grey , rains and and you're country is broke"
She is a Dr, her father trained here he also thinks the place is a shit tip and wouldnt come here even for a ride on the best looking woman in the world.

Ron Broxted said...

When I have spent my dole money I just start flogging my arse until I get paid again. You could call it my major Arsett. If my farmers are playing up I just take my teeth out and do a bit of pork sword swallowing simples!

the tofu jihadist (for it is he) said...

Activism is a filthy habit; and, as we all know, second-hand activism is a killer.

J Demetriou said...

Bloody hell!

What can I say? Excellent piece, and I couldn't agree more. Well said.

JD

Anonymous said...

Faux Ron have you ever considered how silly you look here?

The Boston Fudgepacker said...

Ron, you can always fall back on your first love: cottaging. Who knows? One day you might even meet George Michael.

in worship of false rons said...

dunno about that, anon.

fair brightens the place up, does ron.

Anonymous said...

McEgan, have you ever stopped to wonder how much of a cunt you are ?

Rogerborg said...

@OH: Buy and sell. It's worked for every single person on the planet for the last 2 million years.

Actually, three of us - me, a nice chap in Mumbai and another fine fellow in Guangdong Province - actually have to make all those wondrous things that you then paw and hoot at, like monkeys fingering a monolith. You think we'd be richer, but we're not that sort of smart.

I Am Nick said...

Is this where you went when you were "intimidated" by flag counters on the Torygraph? Fnnr Fnnr! So, faux Ron, tell us how you are "calling the shots" here? You mean O'H does not delete your shit? Tell us about the obsession you have with Irish Rough Trade Front Bottoms.

Anonymous said...

Complete fucking crap as usual OH. What if a man isn't born with the superior business mind you have, but works his bollocks off, keeps his head down, day in day out, in whatever trade, whether employed or self employed, but gets made redundant or economic conditions kills his livelihood off, or a work injury lays him up indefinitely, at the age off 52? What the fuck about him? Working since 16? Where does he fit into your retarded 'libertarian' vision of the future?

I'm alright Jack? Fuck you?

I hope you don't get a career threatening injury on one of you little walks, seriously. Unless of course you know you are financially secure now regardless (another Paul Stains?), therefore you can spout this theoretical shite daily? Mocking the poor, acting the lord of the fucking manor.

Anonymous said...

We must be fucking rich. More money than the Count of Monte Fucking Cristo. Gordon has just given Vietnam £17 million so they can build toilets.
Urban11

swetty betty said...

15:24

the huge pool of sub-minimum wage illegal immigrants has done you fat-con businessmen a few favours too...

thelunaticarms said...

Money = Freedom.

More money = More freedom.

Less money = Less freedom.

And ya'all thought taxes were there to pay for public services! HA!

It's to keep you in your place. Myself included. Even if you make your cash "off-site", the Bank can screw ya with quantitative easing.

Carrot and stick approach, and when the Bastards that Be run out of carrot, you can be sure as hell you'll feel the stick!

BTW - £60 per week? Damn, no wonder crime is so attractive to people.

Just a Lurking Australian said...

I'm not British, and hence have no first-hand experience of the British system, but it strikes me that *both* Old Holborn and Blind Leading the Blind are right. From what I've read, both here and elsewhere (ain't the blogosphere wonderful!) there *are* people living in poverty - those trying to do the right thing. So long as they want to earn their own way they're left to struggle - no handouts, no hands up, fighting against a poor education system, no training, high house prices, high taxes and undercut by cheap imported labour.

(See "The Benefits Trap: First Hand Experience" posted on this blog in July 2009. Also "The Labour Theory Of Property Part 2" on the Thinking Policeman's blog, posted in May 2009.)

On the other hand - the moment they decide to succumb and live off the state - *then* they're showered with benefits. Can work but won't work? Have children you can't support? Then the state will shower benefits on you - free housing, free school meals, council tax paid, cash in hand - "sit-down money" as the Aboriginal Australians call it.

As long as these perverse incentives exist, scrounging probably going to the smart thing to do for people at the bottom of the heap. The trick is going to be to reverse the trend - or even halt it as the economy goes bumping down.

a troubled man for troubled times said...

We're fucked, is the thing. The rest of the world, and especially the nips, are catching up like crazy, and, most tellingly, unlike our own shower of thieving, rectum delving scat fiends, playing to win.

The job - any job, really - can now be done elsewhere for less. Those in the UK who still have money are playing a game of last man standing where the trick is to make a commission out of the demise of everyone else before someone makes a commission out of their own demise.

Most have already fallen victim to that game.

Perhaps it's the natural order of things, given that most of us, unlike our leaders, have little choice but to be judged in a marketplace where potential customers who can, and do, go elsewhere at the drop of a hat.

And yes, Brown's economic "miracle" of the past decade, the slimly, shiteating econoclast, has been nothing more than the use of personal and public indebtedness to draw attention away from our precipitous decline in all meaningful league tables.

I've done very well in the past and, obviously, put it down to some not inconsiderable aceness on my part.

On the other hand, I'm shit-piss broke now. Fuck knows how people with kids get on with even less going for them. Poor bastards.

Anonymous said...

Fuck all to say to that Old Holborn? You mean you are one of the odd 'I'm all right Jack, fuck you' types who have done ok out of naked capitalism but now find other ways of expressing themselves (stoodent like) or little hobbies politics, or in 'libertarianism' in your case have really to say? No actual political thought? Fuck me! Are you full of shit?

swetty betty said...

15:32

same goes for you jr - you see our tits and our productivity potential, but as human beings we illegal immigrunts are totally invisible when viewed through your cheap cash-goggles.

thefrollickingmole said...

Im not sure how bad you blokes have it there, from reading around Id guess Australia is at least 20 years behind you chaps in the "all fucked up" stakes.

I do have one small bit of advice for those looking to make a bit of money.

Rent out simple items (washing machines,tv etc) for short periods of time.
Probably the best are washing machines, dryers and fridges/freezers.

I run a rental business in Oz (after 25 years of labouring jobs, shearing/deckhand/screw etc), and Gods own truth its a gold mine. However you need to be a bit ruthless and charge about 10% of the items purchace price a fortnight. That covers your own return and allows a fair bit of padding for bad clients/damaged goods.

I got into rental because it is the perfect business during a high unemployment period. Your average bludger wont miss 5 quid a week for 2 years, for a shiny new playstation/stereo/tv.

However unless you have a fair bit of funds it will take a long time to get enough gear out to make a huge income, but for you blokes struggling on a low wage its a good little pick up (all cash if you keep it off the books).

Back to the main topic of poverty, here in Oz a person working minimum wage job would have to do 50 hours a week to get as much money as a single mum with 3 kids. Plus they dont get bugger all in the way of housing benefits etc thrown at them.

As you can imagine there are lots of single mums here in Oz, strangely enough following the trend of increasing payments to single mums.

Just hope to Christ your conservatives dont try one of our ex-PMs worst ideas, baby bonus's.

Basicly if you spat a deformed monstrosity out your wizards sleeve you got $3,000.00 cash as a "bonus" to pay for things the kid needed.

Such as
second hand cars
playstations
booze
and so on...

If OH is interested i have a couple of Australian poverty posts I can sling him for a look (I dont like univited linkwhoring, so I wont unless invited)...)

Anonymous said...

Last post a bit disjointed. Apologies. I blame the the last beer, which was clearly bad.

supplementary benefit said...

15:40

how about giving them all social-fund grants for orthopaedic armchairs?

former uk visa-payer said...

15:41

hardly crap if the comparatively smaller number of immigrants are filling the boots of all those highly-skilled british emigrants?

Anonymous said...

Utter bullshit myth perpetrated by old holborn and his disciples on this shit organ that you can live on benefits. Complete crap. I was making a 'decent' wage after a few years in the army, got made redundant and after failing to find any work had to 'sign on. Even as a REME sgt with ten years and three tours. Thought I'd walk into work! No. No work. No one really gives a fuck. How you people think I could buy playstations or widescreen tvs or Stella on the pittance benefits bring in I don't know. Even with my army pension. I thing you shits are just stirrers. You have no idea. You have done well & I'm glad. But wise the fuck up.

thefrollickingmole said...

Anonymous

"..that you can live on benefits.."

Lets try a little experiment.

Do you: live with a single mother in her house basicaly for free?
Do you deal drugs/steal on the side?

If the answer to these 2 questions is no then you have you problem.

Benefits arent intended to keep honest bloke like yourself unemployed. We agree there. You appear to be what Id call "deserving poor", a bloke who wants to work and is doing it rough as he has an inner code of worth that keeps him from abusing the system.

If you look at the stereotypical "bludger" they live multiple to a household and rort/steal/skive rather than work, thats the undeserving poor.

In addition a lot of charities are abused by low lifes who think nothing of appearing at an emergncy food depot every fortnight, Id be betting youve never used one.

By being honest and holding onto self worth the government discriminates against you.

( I hope I havent made to many assumptions about your suituation, no offence intended)

bofl said...

Holborn-i am still waiting for the 2million year old secret !!!!

i want to know how to be the next arfur daley......the world is my lobster!

come on-it's been nearly 5 hours!

nutjob said...

16:14

sorry to hear about the confinement and the doctors refusing to listen to your evidence of illegally issued government work-permits - no government worker ever bites the hand that feeds it, believe me.

the main problem for the uk's economy is that our expensive welfare state has priced this country's workforce out of the world market. have you tried reducing your asking-price, darling?

i genuinely believe that were you actually to be a foreign black female with a cooker and a real bed, who did want a hand-out, didn't want to work and supported labour...you would still be as nutty as a serially-sectioned fruitcake and still utterly unemployable despite the government bending over backwards to find you a part-time vacancy in dossers paradise (uk) ltd.

Lurker from Australia said...

thefrollickingmole: In the late 90s I lived in a unit next door to one owned by a charitable foundation, and mostly let to single mothers. About half of the sample I encountered simply needed a bit of help to get back on their feet again - and were actively trying to improve their situation (e.g. by studying so they'd have the qualifications to support themselves and their kid by their own efforts). The other half of the sample were complete no-hopers, including a heroin addict and her boyfriend(!) who left the flat smeared in animal excrement by the time they departed, and a 15 year old (living on her own) who had a grand time inviting her friends over for a party every evening. The baby was never much in evidence, so I presume it was dumped in a back room somewhere and left to scream its head off.

Fortunately it wasn't public housing, so the other residents could petition to get rid of these annoying tenants. Pity the poor children who had to grow up in their "care", though.

caesar's slapper said...

17:37

my god, you must get exhausted ringing your bell.

caesars wife said...

bofl if it helps when I lost my job in the 90s, I went through a very bad time , just couldnt get it together despite being well qualified, tried cross over skills etc etc . I agree with you when you talk about the despondency of basically being , out of work.

I did temp work for few years , but some of those were almost slave labour .

The worst case I recall was "job interview prep course" and one bloke couldnt walk too well , outside during break , I realised he was drunk in the miday , when I asked what had happened , just mumbled somthing about they no longer the old sales team its all centralised.

he had lost his job through being too old or perhaps not skilled , as time went on I met more people like him , just turfed out for ecnomic reasons and totally bewildered .

thing is he wasnt really that old about 50ish . A call center I worked in just decided to transfer to india , somthing like 300 people with no work .

I think OH is saying you can do somthing , dont expect miracles , but find somthing that interests you , I took up cook/chef and had allsorts of adventures , some good some bad . One aqquaintence i knew had a huge scalextric kit , on the side he set up a party event business having a fun race days , made a little money , but thats not the point , we all have somthing we are good at , just try and find what it is , you will enjoy your work .

If you want money then its legal or medical training .

In my view what they call retraining for the knowledge based era , was just a cull of mass swathe of jobs where they met and talked to people face to face , to make money on the back of the efficencies of the E era .I have seen litterally hundreds of decent people totally washed up by the changes this govt have brought about to work.

Govt scratchcard approach to finding a job isnt worth a great deal despite what they tell you .

caesars wife said...

caesars slapper 00:59 that is more than fortuatous posting while i was typing as you well must know!

eight rounds vapid said...

16:36

mind you don't spend it all at once

bofl said...

caesars wife- i am doing something about it..........i am in my late 40's.......nobody wants me.i already have professional qualifications....

the logical thing to do was get another in a field where staff are needed-the annoying/amusing thing is that the dole told me to find some training-which i did-then they told me i couldnt do it!!!!! ffs!!!!!!

i would imagine o/h wants his kids to go to uni so it wasn't a bad idea.......?

i am doing something for myself.....i had a biz but my partner fucked off with all the money!!!!!!

like i said,life is full of ups and downs...........

i disagree that most people on the dole are scroungers or live a life of luxury.....most want to get back to work and are decent people or after being unable to even get an interview they give up!

IT IS NOT AS CLEAR CUT AS THE MASKED MAN SAYS!

there are many reasons why people cannot find jobs....

too old.
too young (when's the right fucking time then)?
no quals.
over qualified.
BEING OUT OF WORK!
(my favourite)

so back to buying and selling......
every sane person in the uk is pulling their horns in(except for gordie the fudgepacker).................

so what is the magic product that everyone wants and nobody else sells??????????

++++++++++++++++++++++++

eight rounds rapid said...

@eight rounds vapid

bastard =)

taraaaassss bulba said...

18:53

We had this benefits system for decades, at a time when we had full employment.

yes, but in those days it was more socially acceptable to sell your arse than to claim dole. the welfare state undermined the labour market, the minimum wage flooded the jobpits and companies were forced to outsource funny-looking foreign fellas - the sedative-seductress socialism is the real origin of all your niggly nationalist grouses, sir. all we have to do to rectify this deplorable state of oblivion is tighten-up dwp enforcement of the existing regulations by shipping-in a load of jews, jocks and jamaicans to man the jobcentres. fucking obvious really.

taraaaassss bulba said...

18:53

(continued)

amid more nationalist gripes in the same vain you write this:

yes single mothers is an issue but the benefits system itself is not as generous or lax as he would like to portray.

really? bang-out a few sprogs then get the whole family to walk with a limp and you're laughing all the way to the disability benefit office. encourage the kids to go beserk at school and you've hit the bloody bonanza. you evidently get all your information from uranus.

Anonymous said...

Hey OH. Go shove your gold coins right up your hole. How about you do that? You'd better fucking run though. Cunt.

Anok4uok said...

You need to run OH because the anarchists are coming......

This is our time.

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i'd like to teach, the world to bark, in sweet cacophony said...

19:13

yes, old holborn and netanyahu's fanatical immigration policies are entirely consistent here, but fear ye not, they can both remain firm enemies, as netanyahu hates wogs too.

jocelyn jack esien said...

19:37

oh please stop whinging bofl. just kidnap old ho and sell him on to a passing somali pirate. use your brains man.

pissing in the wind - by paul staines said...

22:25

stop going down the pub and start putting something aside for a rainy day, idiot.

the toxic avenger said...

23:18

wish they'd flush the cunt down one of them.

tom crapper said...

05:12

we only used to spend a penny in the old days, now it costs 17 million to have a dump. but, of course, if you're really desperate...every penny well spent.

Cameron Brown said...

This will teach you f'ing little Englanders lot not to Vote for our Empire.

Reinforcements

st tony the baptist said...

23:38

money equals freedom? it's soon going to cost me a grand in security just to pop 'round the cornershop to buy condoms (pope's instructions, special dispensation for the spawn of the devil apparently).

the more the merrier said...

05:22

fuck me! 50 million coons! should be cosy!

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bone a beefeater said...

23:47

great tip frockingmole. if we get a bit hard-up we can rent out gordon for tourist sex in the tower of london. just for ciggy money. come to think of it, we could put a compulsory sex-clause into the terms and conditions of every government employee in the uk - should make the public sector contract a treat.

Adrian P said...

Here's why you can't get a Job Bofl.
It's because 80% of new jobs are given to just 15% of the population.

80% of new jobs go to migrants

I think the general idea is that, We wont be able to defend our childrens birthright if we are all living in cardboard boxes and begging on the streets.

God Our Politicians must hate us.

This cunt is
Begging them to take over

Even at Cabinet Level

Now they are thinking of
Sterilising British Children

Add to this the number of extermination centres that we now have in every town, misleadingly called pregnancy advice centres where state's nurses are trained to put the minds of our womenfolk at rest by whispering to them 'it's only cells'
7.2 million British babies these Genocidal Commies have sliced up and vacuumed out since 1970.

Can anyone join the dots and see what's going on here.


In the 1930's in Germany, exactly the same sort of stuff was going on as we have here.
Adolf Hitler came to power and immediately kicked the Marxists out of Germany, as well as the Central Bankers.

In 1932, they declared war on Germany and later pursuaded Great Britain, then the US to do the same as Hitler was threatening their plan for European and World Domination.
Economic War declared on Germany in 1932

I'll leave you with one more link that should tell you everything you need to know about what WWII was really about and what is going on now.

The British Olympics ?

WWII ended in 1945, HMS Windrush docked in 1948.

jobsoldier said...

00:06

sgt, it's best to sign up to the benefits system at about 17, then as you gain experience, training and proper dole-discipline, you will steadily progress up the lager-ladder until you're given enough free drugs to shoot yourself up 10 about times a day. you may have a few fights in the jobcentre, but as you will appreciate, it goes with the territory.

guardian of the holy jobpoint said...

01:32

there are many reasons why people cannot find jobs....

too old.
too young (when's the right fucking time then)?
no quals.
over qualified.
BEING OUT OF WORK!
(my favourite)


in your case add "annoying little git" to the list.

Adrian Peirson said...

@ Blind leading the Blind

Well said, spot on I think, Western Civilisation is being destroyed.

Even Lord monckton is saying so now, that's an internationally respected member of the house of lords,journalist, writer, industrialist, one of Maggies Senior policy advisors.

Beyond any doubt, westminster, whitehall and the eu are at war with the British people.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Euf23kBQ6Bg>Agenda 21 Deindustrialise the West</a>

style froze in nazi germany under fascism - i hope to god we don't get stuck with those fucking ugly puffa skirts which make all birds look like mutated mushrooms said...

06:04

how many of these of new jobs above minimum wage and attractive to a briton?

are you sure that these babies were 100% made in britain?

the decline and fall of a mud hut said...

06:24

i thought that "westminster, whitehall and the eu" were the democratic expression of western civilization - in which case, let there be destruction. britons were here long before western civilization, and we will hopefully outlast it by a few millenia too.

Adrian P said...

Sorry missed out the closing quote mark after Bg

Agenda 21 Deindustrialise the West

Adrian P said...

Trouble is, we are not talking about adapting to the environmrent here, they want us dead.

Know anything about the Baxter scandal which occured in feb 2009 ?

Or How about vials of swine flu exploding on packed swiss trains.

more libertarian dogma said...

"taraaaassss bulba said...
18:53

We had this benefits system for decades, at a time when we had full employment.

yes, but in those days it was more socially acceptable to sell your arse than to claim dole."

ANSWER

Indeed it was, that was before the loony PC fake left began to truly undermine society, please try and pay attention!

"the welfare state undermined the labour market,"

ANSWER -

No it `competed` with the not quite dead slave level market, the slum level market, the die exploited in poverty market, it was a shame that eventually the die in poverty market was all that was left to the working classes where poverty levelo handouts actually started to compete!


"the minimum wage flooded the jobpits and companies were forced to outsource funny-looking foreign fellas"

Answer -

Bulldust, big corporations were outsourcers for big coporation profits, the rich got richer and didn't want to spread their wealth, the poor got poorer and some shits like you would like to deprive them of a slave wage even! if the country was more self sufficient and produced high quality goods investing in technology and our young then everybody could have had a bigger slice of the pie and the minimum wage would be considered an insult to all but the latest arrival looking to earn a bowl of rice a day and live 20 per flat driving down wages for all.

if you want to fully integrate in a global exploitive market that gives not a shit for people you will arrive at shanty towns with children dying in the streets.

a program recently exposed britains shanty towns! people living in sheds - your idea of market forces and globalisation huh!

All the while the middleclasses get their cheap plastic shit or gap shirts while the working classes get genocided and impoverished.

Libertarian dogma said...

"the sedative-seductress socialism is the real origin of all your niggly nationalist grouses, sir"


Answer -

More Bulldust with added dogma, it is a combination of many things including exploitation and an unwillingness to share wealth with the people that have erned it, through exploitation and other issues as I have already explained, as for socialism, their is little true socialism invovled, more an issue of coporate capitalism and profiteering mixed with wonk social engineering to keep the plastic socialists on board.

"all we have to do to rectify this deplorable state of oblivion is tighten-up dwp enforcement of the existing regulations by shipping-in a load of jews, jocks and jamaicans to man the jobcentres. fucking obvious really."

Answer -

Youre too late they already do that, pay attention!


"amid more nationalist gripes in the same vain you write this:
yes single mothers is an issue but the benefits system itself is not as generous or lax as he would like to portray.

really? bang-out a few sprogs then get the whole family to walk with a limp and you're laughing all the way to the disability benefit office. encourage the kids to go beserk at school and you've hit the bloody bonanza. you evidently get all your information from uranus."

Answer -

Walking with a limp is unlikely to get you very far, even missing limbs may not be enough, But yes this area of the system seems to be over used to some degree, but we have to ask ourselfs why? seeing as this system again has been in place without a problem for decades, on top of this the collapse of society, instability and the destruction of the family unit itself can lead to an increase in mental health problems.

Could it be that their is an increase in health problems that was going under reported before, quite likely with depression increasing and more and more people on anti depressants.

I think you are looking at the symptons not the disease.

Besides the issues are far more complex than you dogmatic simplistic tripe would lead us to believe.

could the system be improved - most certainly, is it the underlying cause? clearly not, the evidense is there as i pointed out.

otherwise what do you suggest work houses for the disabled and the mentally ill, or perhaps you would prefer gas chambers?

On yer bike,Normo said...

The person i had to stop work to care for weighs six and a half stone,is bedridden after long battles against cancer and ciculatory disease,needs my help to shuffle to the commode and hasn't left the house for a year.
Mind you i think she may be swinging the lead.

Anonymous said...

Where do I get my Mondeo?
Last time I "signed on" (several years ago now) I got virtually fuck all, except hassle.

Im now self-employed, trying to stay afloat, and my so-called tax credits are a joke.

Fuck zanulab, and the Zanucon to come.

If I lived near a sea-port, Id be selling my arse !

Uncle Marvo said...

Sorry to post a link, but to save typing it all again ...

http://tiomarvo.blogspot.com/2010/01/just-fuck-off.html

Anonymous said...

Caesars Wife @ 1:05.

Excellent post. Genuinely mean that :-)

Vladimir said...

@0818/0819

You can only get so far by saying that "the problem is that we're not a truly socialist country". because the evidence is rather against you on this one. Consider the sheer amount of money spent on socialist schemes over the past 50 years by people who called themselves socialists in Labour, New Labour and even the "Conservatives". Libertarian blogs occasionally post breakdowns of how tax money is spent, and we see that most of it is welfare, most of the remainder is the NHS.

The people you refer to as "plastic socialists" are not a minority to be appeased with some PC lip service. They dominate the Establishment. They are the greedy rich people that you rightly accuse of causing all the problems, and they cause the problems by being socialists and dogmatically insisting on things like the NHS, welfare and minimum wage.

You argue that it is not easy to get on benefits, and then not profitable when you are on benefits. However, millions of people are on benefits and living quite comfortably. There are areas of Britain where it is very rare to find a single person who works, because everyone is technically disabled. These localised epidemics of disability are hard to explain unless you are willing to admit that benefit dependents become experts on making claims and then help their friends and family to join them on the gravy train.

You suggest that the Libertarians would like to gas the poor and disabled. Ironically, this is not far removed from the purpose of the "minimum wage" as proposed by early Fabians like G.B. Shaw. It is said that the minimum wage ensures that low-skilled workers always get a minimum amount of money, but the actual purpose is to make them not worth hiring in the first place if their labour is worth less than £5.80/hour (or whatever it is now). Hence they become dependent on the state, ready to be sterilised or killed by G.B. Shaw's "humane gas". The minimum wage is social eugenics.

Uncle Marvo said...

Vladimir:

"Most of the money on benefits"?

Are you sure? What about the civil service? That's anyone who is paid for by the government, including quangos, education, NHS, Plod, nearly every cunt in a suit in London, etc.

ITWSBT

Adrian Peirson said...

Poverty is a terrible thing, you can't even get safe decent drugs anymore.

Anthrax laced Herion kills eight in Europe, infections in Scotland

Adrian P said...

So, in Feb of 2009 we have the Baxter Scandal where Deadly Contaminated Flu vaccine material was shipped to 14 European Countries, luckily, Czech Doctors carried out extra tests and discovered the 'blunder'

Then we have Swine Flu vials exploding on Swiss trains in the same week as the outbreak started in Mexico.

Now we have Anthrax laden Herion all over Europe with the authorities saying to users to stop using herion.

Someone Somewhere is waging Biological warfare on the world, Brown the EU is itching to use the Civil contingencies bill.

They are constantly telling us there is going to be a 'spectacular'

Jane Burgermeister's website

The Govt knew about the Baxter scandal which could have killed hundreds of millions yet still gave Baxter the contract to supply our Swine flu Vaccines.

How much evidence do people need.

Adrian Peirson said...

Just to make it absolutely clear OH so there can be no doubt, I am not against all forms of Marxism.

good Marxism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5lU52aWTJo

Bad Marxism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJLNLmtu7XM

Anonymous said...

POVERTY coming to all the Western Countries soon..c/o liblabconEuukip........

after all yo vote for it

Adrian P said...

The Proles have no idea what is being done to them, don't blame the Proletarians Holbourne, you are doing Karl Marxs work for him, he British are Bad so lets replace them, that's exactly the message the marxist LibLabConUkipJihadist Parties want spreading around our Society, if it can be put on TV too, in the form of TV shows like Jeremy Kyle, Big Brother, Road Wars, Streets wars, Police Camera Action, all the squabbling in Eastenders, Corrie.
Ask yourself why these shows never deal with subjects like Love, Honour, Decency, Patriotism, British Tradition, Culture Values, The Monarchy, British invention, Great British Struggles etc, These shows are part of the EU/Whitehall LibLabCon agenda to undermine the Very society you want to regain, The poor chavs and single mums are not to blame, this is a very subltle carefully orchestrated campaign of Psychological Warfare carried out by the establishment to create exactly what we see happening around us.

This guy has done a Great write up on Marxist Cultural Subversion on his youtube channel, OK, he's a BNP supporter, you may not agree with his politics, but he's done his research.
Dont blame the Proles, they have no idea what is going on and besides, thats exactly what the Marxists want, once the numbers are right, there will be a cultural revolution the likes of which has never been seen before, not even Mao's 60 Million will pale into insignificance.
The Marxists in Westminster want you to spread hatred about we British.


Just Proud

Press Gang said...

The proles are worthless scum,until war breaks out and then they're good old Tommy Atkins.

Wv obsest. You bet i am

thelunaticarms said...

We should have started our own fight clubs years ago.

"...we guard you when you sleep!
Do not fuck with us!"

Instead, it is THEM who guard us when we sleep.

And one day the bastards will run out of lube. I'm just glad I'm ugly (...but useful).

Anonymous said...

Jobsoldier @ 06;08. Can't be sure if you are taking the piss or not.
If you are, go fucking swivel.
If not, good points well made & sadly very true. Better of signing on than serving.

penates in the atrium said...

21:52

ignorance is no defence for those you condescendingly term 'the proles' - but just because the great british unwashed worship their beloved soap-gods, set in customary luminous lararia occupying shelves and corners of every traditional living-room, does not mean they believe in the louche liberality of their licentious lawlords any more than your nasty nefarious knackered old nationalism. in fact, that ignorance which you too would cynically weave and sell, really suits you, sir.

taraaaassss bulba said...

08:18

We had this benefits system for decades, at a time when we had full employment.

yes, but in those days it was more socially acceptable to sell your arse than to claim dole."

ANSWER

Indeed it was, that was before the loony PC fake left began to truly undermine society, please try and pay attention!


the electorate have voted in the welfare-state time-and-time over and, since the economic and fiscal landscape began to tilt, it has made more financial sense for many to claim benefits than to work and pay high taxes. i suspect that the 'loony pc fake left' and 'society' are just fuzzy figments of your febrile imagination. it was staunch old labourheads like yourself who voted in harold wilson and his sky-high tax-jinks.

"the welfare state undermined the labour market,"

ANSWER -

No it `competed` with the not quite dead slave level market, the slum level market, the die exploited in poverty market, it was a shame that eventually the die in poverty market was all that was left to the working classes where poverty levelo handouts actually started to compete!


so why is it that many visa-holding immigrants who come to work in the uk can make a reasonable living and yet still send money back home to relatives?

"the minimum wage flooded the jobpits and companies were forced to outsource funny-looking foreign fellas"

Answer -

Bulldust, big corporations were outsourcers for big coporation profits, the rich got richer and didn't want to spread their wealth, the poor got poorer and some shits like you would like to deprive them of a slave wage even! if the country was more self sufficient and produced high quality goods investing in technology and our young then everybody could have had a bigger slice of the pie and the minimum wage would be considered an insult to all but the latest arrival looking to earn a bowl of rice a day and live 20 per flat driving down wages for all.

if you want to fully integrate in a global exploitive market that gives not a shit for people you will arrive at shanty towns with children dying in the streets.

a program recently exposed britains shanty towns! people living in sheds - your idea of market forces and globalisation huh!

All the while the middleclasses get their cheap plastic shit or gap shirts while the working classes get genocided and impoverished.


if the whole population were incentivized (by abolishing benefits) to work and create a much larger pie than we have at present, manufacturing whatever goods made business sense, there would be more income-earning opportunities created for all. the only people who, at present, might be living in shanty towns are those illegal immigrants which our government's socio-economic system encourages to work here yet simultaneously deprives of rights and exploits mercilessly. the only people who would, deprived of a welfare state, finish-up in living in tin-huts, would be the uk citizens who were skill and education allergic or had some kind of severe physical disability and completely uncaring family and friends. immigrants tend to be higher-skilled and live in more functional familial or social units.

taraaaassss bulba said...

"the sedative-seductress socialism is the real origin of all your niggly nationalist grouses, sir"


Answer -

More Bulldust with added dogma, it is a combination of many things including exploitation and an unwillingness to share wealth with the people that have erned it, through exploitation and other issues as I have already explained, as for socialism, their is little true socialism invovled, more an issue of coporate capitalism and profiteering mixed with wonk social engineering to keep the plastic socialists on board.


how is it that corporations are exploiting people whose benefits are funded by the taxes levied from those same corporations? working people in this country pay somewhere in the region of 70% tax rate (when all types of hidden, sneak and sub-tax are included) and this money pays for a huge welfare-state - if that's not socialism what the hell is? the fact that a lot of money for welfare-state and other government contracts is diverted to the capitalist friends of those in power, does not exonerate socialism. capitalists will always do what capitalists do best - make money, even if it means setting-up status quo 'wonk social engineering projects'. if you can't deal with a 'wonk' social engineer you're a bit of a pansy, mate. personally, i grind the amoral subjective little fuckers down and sprinkle them on my full-english fried breakfast - adds some spice to the start of a day.

taraaaassxss bulba said...

08:19

(continued)

"amid more nationalist gripes in the same vain you write this:
yes single mothers is an issue but the benefits system itself is not as generous or lax as he would like to portray.

really? bang-out a few sprogs then get the whole family to walk with a limp and you're laughing all the way to the disability benefit office. encourage the kids to go beserk at school and you've hit the bloody bonanza. you evidently get all your information from uranus."

Answer -

Walking with a limp is unlikely to get you very far, even missing limbs may not be enough, But yes this area of the system seems to be over used to some degree, but we have to ask ourselfs why? seeing as this system again has been in place without a problem for decades, on top of this the collapse of society, instability and the destruction of the family unit itself can lead to an increase in mental health problems.

Could it be that their is an increase in health problems that was going under reported before, quite likely with depression increasing and more and more people on anti depressants.

I think you are looking at the symptons not the disease.

Besides the issues are far more complex than you dogmatic simplistic tripe would lead us to believe.

could the system be improved - most certainly, is it the underlying cause? clearly not, the evidense is there as i pointed out.

otherwise what do you suggest work houses for the disabled and the mentally ill, or perhaps you would prefer gas chambers?


walking with a limp can get you a large whack of incapacity benefit, diability living allowance, and a motability car plus running expenses paid for by the state. many people have been tempted down this road due to the high-tax disincentives to work, especially since most of the jobs nowadays are in the dour, soulless, inefficient public sector. as i have already mentioned, british citizens have voted continually for welfare-aided destruction of the traditional family and social infrastructures - and the horrendous over-prescription of nhs anti-depressants which has made drug-companies rich and has left patients too dope-up to face their emotional and other problems and thereby sort-out their lives.

the electorate of the united kingdom has voted to undermine its own communities and has handed responsibility for its dependents over to the government. people probably will eventually vote for a socialist government which introduces gas chambers for the disabled and mentally ill - which is a tragedy, as such people are far better cared for within a functional family and the wider caring-community. care is a human choice and, like parenting, does not necessarily involve nannying. care is not the prerogative of government, cannot be legislated for, nor forced out of people by taxation. socialism does not care, it's validity is as dead as a dodo.

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