Thursday, 19 November 2009

So what can we do? ANSWERS PLEASE

Right. Enough is enough. I can walk around in a costume, I can write on my blog and I can make life hell for the 646 in my own little way.

It isn't working though, is it?

We need ideas. It isn't voting for XXX or YYYY, that got us here. It isn't Twitter and it isn't Facebook. IT isn't the Daily Mail and it isn't Radio 4.

Something has to change. It simply cannot continue like this. We are bankrupted, our children are bankrupted, we are giving away our wages to people who want us to give away our wages and control our every movement, action and thought. Everything we do is now illegal.

I want serious suggestions from readers of the Old Holborn Blog. Do I publish a DIY "freeman" guide? Do we march? Where? Do we write? To whom? Do we start a newspaper or a national campaign? What do we do?

I don't have the answers but every, EVERY populace has prevailed over their oppressors. They did it. We can do it.

But we are going to have to get organised. And very, very serious.

646 of them. 60,000,000 of us.


Anonymous said...

Im off to New Zealand. Had enough of Labour turning this country into Britistan

Anonymous said...

They need taxes to pay their servants and enforcers, deny them the money.
Trade in cash, keep as much of your money away from the banks.

As soon as international lenders know this is happening on mass UKPLC is fucked.
Why support a business you do not wish to contract with, deny them the money and their power disapears as well.

forget the freeman crap, that will just see you imprisoned in either a mental ward or gaol.

war, the ghandi way :D

Anonymous said...

Maybe Simon Mann is looking for a new job...

Dick Puddlecote said...

Seastead. Invitation only.

JerryD said...

I love the ANON poster at the top here - I'm off to New Zealand

Running away ducky ain't gonna change anything. If they have managed to screw us, they will eventually screw you in Kiwi land too.

For OH:

(1) Get a movement together - with LIMITED aims. If you try to change everything at once you'll accomplish nowt. The movement could be called the 'Freeman' movement. We could pledge, as 'Freemen' to withdraw our consent from the status quo. Together we could all agree to do the following:

(a) Refuse to pay TAX
(b) Refuse to pay Road TAX
(c) Refuse to pay for a TV Licence
(d) Refuse to pay Council Tax
(e) Refuse to participate in so-called 'Parlimentary Democracy'

As I said, LIMITED aims - if this is too much, something simpler - ask to have your Birth Certificate destroyed, removed. This will mean your National Insurance number will be void and NHS Treatments may be an issue. (Happy clapping here - no bugs or cutting up of babies!)

Just to get the ball rolling...

microdave said...

"Trade in cash, keep as much of your money away from the banks."

Here's another possibility:

However it seems the Inland Revenue take a dim view of it, according to the comments.

will cobbett said...

dont know what we can do but is it ever going to change with the lib/lab/con mainstream?

Jess The Dog said...

Cash strike.

Stop paying everything for a month or two.

Mortgage, direct debits, council tax, utility bills.

Most organisations run on a monthly cash cycle, and a co-ordinated effort would be crippling. Especially local authorities, banks, utility companies.

This is not non-payment, it's organised late payment.

Anonymous said...

The problem is this. The liblabcon know that no matter what they do,no matter how much they steal,lie and wreck the country 85-90% of those that bother to vote will still vote for them. We live in a rotating dictatorship. They don't give a stuff for they people they claim to represent,they hold our views in total and utter contemp,they are not in the slightest bit interested.
Unless we have a military coup, or massive civil unrest we have but one choice if we want to break this monopoly. That is all the REAL OPPOSITION PARTIES TO MERGE. That's UKIP,BNP,English Democrats and you guys. We probably agree on about 90% of things.
It's either that or get crushed.

Anonymous said...

Yep, fiscal mass disobedience - that'll waken them up. BUT it has to be mass otherwise they'd just pick off each one (look at the smoking ban - if every single smoker and every single publican on 1at July 2007 had just ignored it what could they have done?) ...and that's the problem - trying to mobilise sufficient numbers and securing their commitment...


Anonymous said...

I just wish all the right-wing parties would form some kind of alliance. Including UKIP and any Independents.

Then push massively at the local elections. People are easier about voting Independent or for smaller parties if it's only the 'locals' - it all depends on how hard prospective candidates work at canvassing. The big dream may be Westminster, but the thought of an alliance of libertarian-controlled City/County Councils isn't such a bad consolation prize.

I think James Higham (sp?) is doing something about this? I wish him well.


Wyrdtimes said...

English law for England
English taxes for England
Home rule for England

The "UK" is the problem.
England is the answer.

Free England.

electro-kevin said...

Let Labour win the next election.

That'll unify the masses when the full impact of this borrowing binge hits us. There'll be no 'It's the Tory's fault !' this time, and a split electorate because the truth will be clear. Labour did it - the Conservatives let them.

This will force the Conservatives to finally represent the people they SHOULD be representing.

How sad that our only hope is another Labour Govt. Anything else will result in the same to-ing and fro-ing.

The problem with Britain has been the weak Tory party - it is a defunct 'opposition' and offers nothing to traditional Tory voters.

THAT is what's gone wrong. The majority have no voice. They still don't.

Cameron will be every bit a disaster for Britain as Brown.

What can we do to save Britain ?

Campaign against the Conservative Party.

sconzey said...

fr33 agents ? agorism ? crypto anarchy ? corporate seccession ? personal seccession ? seasteading ?

I'm working on something special. Create a gpg key and email me if you're interested.

bofl said...

it will have to be done bit by bit......once a success is gained then others will follow.....

the main problem as i see it is that we have an incredibly selfish's everyone for himself.
remember the fuel strikes of afew years ago? we all want cheaper fuel .but so many people refused to do anything-they said 'i have to go to work'........the shitbags know that we have a nation of sheep so they have and will continue to shaft us!

the national debt is a disgrace.debt ruins lives.
it sucks the life from nations.......yet there are still cheerleaders on the net telling us that the tories=financial misconduct and QE is the way to go!!!!

a country that cannot borrow any more money and has to print £200 billion is well and truly fooked!

yet very few seem to have any idea as to what could happen....

so i suggest a national strike to get our troops out of shitistan-

ditto for getting out of the EU ful stop......switzerland is surrounded by the EU -but they seem to be ok!

take all of your money out of the banks!!!
we are getting sweet f/a in interest anyway.0.05-0.10 %......

dont spend it on imported tat-invest it in gold........
if the banks have no money then they cannot abuse us!

or take it out-then pay it in the same day-if millions of people did this it would fuck the branches!!

NOBODY knows how much money the banks have been given-yet thousands of jobs have much for the 'iron chancellor'.......well he is an iron that's for sure!

it will be difficult because there are so many pigs -from mps to lords to police-to judges -to lawyers-to quangos-to councils- all of these people have no shame-they are just leeches.............

but like all bullies they will run away when confronted.........

just find an issue that stirs the emotions like the war-----

and dont give up.......
i will donate to any fund that prosecutes the mps and lords and aims to get rid of them and strip them of their proceeds of crime!

Witterings From Witney said...

What about The Albion Alliance?

Lets get MPs who believe country comes before party!

Snowolf said...

At the least, resist.

Revolution Harry said...

It's one thing being against something but what we need to find is what we are fighting for. This has to be something that unites a large cross section of the people. For example, nationalists have had enough of mass immigration and yet libertarians desire open borders. Now we can argue about this and other things all day but it will get us nowhere because the real power lies elsewhere and I don't mean the government either.

It seems to me that we need to get to the fundamentals and that is the constitution of this country. The people at the British Constitution Group are attempting to do something about this. Here's their declaration which I hope you will read OH. I suspect they know the Queen is up to her neck in the conspiracy against the peoples of this island but for the case of expediency they have phrased their declaration carefully. Withdrawal from the EU is, of course, an essential element of this.

In addition to the above it should be absolutely imperative that the ability to create money is removed from the private banking system. This is their central pillar of control over both us and successive governments. We have a sovereign right to create our own money for the benefit of all.

These two things would do the greatest damage to the power structure. Let's see them defend the destruction of our constitution and the iniquitous practice of usury.

Added to the above can be incidentals that directly affect our freedoms. It is here we can use the power to say no and where the example of John Harris and others in the Freeman movement will be invaluable.

Once the corrupt power structure is removed and their plans for a 'New World Order' are in tatters we will be free to discuss amongst ourselves how best to live our lives. Yes, there will still be disagreements but we can resolve these without the 'brainwashing', 'mind control', lies and deceit currently practiced by the elites. The whole structure of our current society is utterly corrupted in more ways than you might care to imagine.

One final point. The biggest fear the eiltes have is of us coming together because if we do we'll defeat them. That's the real reason for mass immigration. Divide and rule (diversity) and the slow subversion, demoralisation and eventual destruction of those rebellious islanders, the British. All in the name of centralised global government by a handful of obscenely rich blood line elites and their paid acolytes.

No violence, it won't work. Just lawful rebellion. The power to say no.

c_stocks said...

Hold your nose and vote bnp, sorry your freeman guide is worthless in dar al harb.

Anonymous said...

Protests should be in front of MPs houses. London is a waste of time.
Make it personal.

Kunta Kinte said...

Seeing as under 100k people epetitioned to get McDoom to eff orf, what chance do you think there is of mass civil disobedience taking off?

We are British. We are stoic. We grumble - online mostly it seems nowadays - but essentially we pay up and play the game.

So get over it, we can huff and puff, but they aren't going to go away. The arses in power will still be in power tomorrow.

And to a greater or lesser extent its the same the world over.

You could of course build a huge business empire and buy some influence, but thats a long term project.

You may as well get used to it. Resistance is futile.

defender said...

There are some good ideas posted, I have been doing most of them for awhile.
Politically, I find that doing the opposit of what they would like you to do the most satisfying.
Nobody pisses them off more than the BNP, so supporting the BNP has got to be a very good thing.
Try putting a "vote BNP" poster in your window, lots of thumbs up from the freedom lovers, scowls and huffin n puffin from the rightous. A 4x6 St George's flag out front is the best though, I get nuff respect for it, there was some aggro with the council to begin with but they are tired of arguing with me about it now. 3 and a half years. Its for the foot ball, its for the cricket, its for the rugby, its for the fucking world conker championship, anything but the flag is flys.
Go on, give the fuckers some real stick.

Jess The Dog said...

"Fiscal Disobedience"

I like it.....

sickofit said...

Work to rule. If the workers in all levels of the UK economy worked to rule the country would be fuked within hours.

Can't understand why the unions don't employ this tactic in their disputes.

Katabasis said...

- Informal vigilante groups to tackle both the garden variety scum and the organised criminals who are in cahoots with the local plod. We've got the technology in our hands now to make it possible to carry out our own solid detective work and furnish evidence. (See, for example, this piss boiling case.

- Time to admit that the police are no longer there (if they ever were) to protect ordinary people, and those few who are are now emasculated in their duties by the system.

- A big drive to research every single loophole that can be exploited by liberty-minded people (including ways and means to take up the time of their "representatives" - I call this "arsehole wastage time") and efforts made to republish guides far and wide to inform people of what they can still do, even within this horribly restricted system.

- A rapprochement with the few parts of the radical left that are still open minded enough to find commmon ground with us and fight the common enemies.

Pavlov's Cat said...

I'm tempted to hedge my bets with Electrokev's suggestion. The only way to break the cycle is to push it to such an extreme that it breaks.

If there is the prospect of total and utter societal breakdown within the next 5 years, ensuring Labour are in power then will mean they're on the recieving end of the Angry Mob.

On the other hand, it just gives them more time to, well, run the country into the fucking ground (Which might just push things over the limit).

Short of putting up Half Life 2 posters with the "RESIST" tagline I don't know.

Either way, that 1995 game is about a totalitarian alien dictatorship that's utterly dehumanising. The same word is being bandied around on Libertarian blogs, a rather disturbing trend.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, about this "60,000,000 of us thing".
There isn't.

There's the clicks on this website per month , divided by 30.

And out of that number , remove the % here for the entertainment only.

I don't want to change the system, I just don't want the ones in it to be shitting on me.

Nick said...

1. A doomsday book of government debt. All of it.

We shouldn't have to resort to FOI requests to get information from the government. I've one that is due back from the GAD tomorrow on the size of state employee pension liabilties. The best estimate is 1.15 trillion.

Unless you know how much you are in debt, it won't change. I suspect it is already too late.

2. Part of tax needs to by hypothecated to pay for it. It has to appear as a line on every receipt like VAT, and on every payslip like NI or Income tax.

That creates the force to have it changed.

It needs a neat name, and I would suggest it is called "labour tax"

Anonymous said...

@Kunta Kinte - So how come the English Civl War happened? The English were so pissed off that they committed regicide - how pissed off is that?


Nick said...

How does one control the government?

The answer is referenda. However traditional referenda are expensive.

It's far cheaper to have referenda by proxy. You register an MP as your proxy. Any one of the MPs.

Now that MP could do one of two things. They could be a member of a party, and they could say they will follow the party line.

Alternatively they could be an independent. They can set up a website and you register with them. (Paid for by individuals). That MP then agrees to vote the way individuals cast their vote. Parliament accepts that indivduals can vote yes and no with proportions they state.

Referenda are used as the final say on all bills.

Crucially, you can change your proxy when you want. I would suggest 1 free change a year. That isn't any more expensive than the current registration process.

That means MPs are representatives who design the law. The decision on the law is the electorate.

The consequences would be that Brown as a dead duck can't get anything passed.

Guthrum said...

646 have all the money

60 million are giving it to them.

The Media is largely supine to the Status Quo, the opposition to the status quo is hopelessly split.

Enough real opposition people flooded the Convention on Modern Liberty, but it was highjacked by tame prospective Labour PPC's & Chris Huhne for God sake. And this was before the expenses scandal.

The only thing the 'opposition' parties can rally round is Constitutional Reform, that would give every party of whatever complexion a fighting chance to be heard.

We can all rally round a demand for a written Constitution that guarantees our individual liberties and fetters the Politicians in chains, that their wrongful decisions can be rendered unconstitutional and thrown out by a Court

I would sit down with the Devil to bring that about. To that end I am taking soundings across the spectrum of political thought.

I am happy to talk and meet with anybody to bring this about.

Northampton Saint said...

Don't waste your vote. An un-used vote is a wasted vote.

Vote for anyone BUT the main parties.
Christian Alliance, Libertarian, independants, anyone except parties thast have been on Questiontime in the last 12 months

Dodgy Bob said...

Until a terrible catastrophe pushes the mass of people to get off their backside,no change is possible. Most consider that they have too much to lose by radical action. Only when total meltdown occurs,either through a major terrorist attack,racial confrontation or fiscal bankruptsy will joe public deem it necessary to take to the streets.
And then of course,the authorities will use that as an excuse for total lockdown.
All civilisations go through a period of absurdity,shortly before collapse.

Revolution Harry said...

I am happy to talk and meet with anybody to bring this about.

Guthrum, the first people you should talk to are those at the British Constitution Group I linked to above. They've at least made a start. They've had three 'lawful rebellion' conferences so far but they need to expand. I'm sure all help will be gratefully received.

Revolution Harry said...

One more point. It won't need the masses just an educated and committed but significant number speaking truth and justice. The BCG are looking for one million people. There's a way to go but why don't all of you here join and just see what happens. We need as many lines of attack as possible.

cornsihgiant said...

push for proportional representation. It's the only way to get the "minor parties" a foot in the door.

GCooper said...

I've been puzzling over this increasingly as we strain under the yoke of this evil government - but most of the obstacles raised above are genuine: particularly the ones that point to the necessity (and unlikelihood) of coordinated action.

The closest we have got in recent years to challenging the kleptocracy was the petrol protest - and that really shook the establishment even though, ultimately, it failed, because not enough of us actively supported it.

I do not think anything if that type is likely to happen for a while and that, even if it did, it would probably fail again.

The best idea I have had as an alternative is to selectively target individuals for extreme scrutiny and to pursue them to the end of the earth. Not just MPs - in fact not even particularly MPs. One could target local council gauleiters, who are increasingly the source of oppression, as are judges, heads of quangos, chief constables and others.

If the magnifying glass of scrutiny and publicity were properly brought to bear, if every abuse of power, every infringement of the rules, every step beyond what they are strictly allowed to do were documented, publicised and then turned back on them, like the mirror used to defeat the gorgon, then we might be able to put fear back into our self-appointed masters.

How much could, say, 100 really dedicated investigative bloggers do to unseat a government minister if they tried? How hard would it be to pursue a local council that was abusing its powers? The MSM may be too lazy to do the research, but they are quick to seize on a story when it is given them. And why not let them? We would be after scalps, not circulation.

Guido has set a direction, but has failed to see it through. Maybe 100 might triumph where one has only partly succeeded?

And it would be, of course, perfectly legal.

Anonymous said...

A couple of suggestions from Australia, here.

First, coordinated mass civil disobedience (a hard one to pull off, I know!) Pick a particulary annoying piece of nanny-state legislation (e.g. the smoking ban). Arrange a mass act of disobedience, across the country if possible, at a particular time. Resist (peacefully) anyone who tries to enforce the law, all along the lines. Tie up the police and the courts with New Labour legislation until the system groans.

Secondly, and more individualistically, starve the system. Work to rule and/or for cash in hand. Cut down your earnings as much as you can compatible with survival - rob the state of income tax. Barter, buy at charity shops, grow and make your own - rob the state of VAT and other consumption taxes. Milk the system for everything you can - apply for stuff even if you know you won't get - tie up the system with paperwork!

Anonymous said...

@Revolution Harry - Your posts make sense not least of all because they acknowledge that most people will simply accept whatever's decided on their behalf as long as the oppressors don't get too greedy, too soon.

It's extraordinaryily difficult to mobilise mass support and there's good reason why oppressive regimes clamp down first on the intellectuals and free thinkers. Trouble is that their dissidence reaches only a few - and so we're back to mobilising the masses...


Nick said...

I like the idea of targetting MPs and Lords and picking them off one by one.

ie. Take the expenses. Get one MP convicted for a particular offence, and you get the rest who have been troughing.

This is the flip side of the government approach where the aim is to prosecute at least one or two, but only those where the rot doesn't spread.

I think the doomsday book idea I mentioned earlier has scope. Imagine receiving a bill from 'the government' detailing your share.

If its backed up by FOI requests, a bill for 300,000 quid would put the cat amongst the pidgeons


Salvia said...

Off the top of my head:

"The one free man concept"

As others above have pointed out it all comes down to money. Everything that the government does that is wrong (illegal wars, wellfare, legislation...ect) is all possible due to taxation. Taxation is theft.

No human being is born with the natural autority to cause harm or loss to another human beings life, liberty or property. Authority by definition can only be gained by consent. Force does not grant authority, it grants power. A rapist has the power to rape not the authority or the right. Taxation is wrong and it's where we hit them.

Now, we all know that there is not a cat in hells chance of a mass movement of people refusing to pay their taxes at this stage. It's because people are afraid. Most of us here are too afraid to stop paying taxes for fear of the consequences. It's why we were so bold as brass on our little walk on Nov'5th, there was no real danger to them or us.

The beauty is that we dont need to all stop paying. Only one of us. One free man who will publicly stop paying tax and explain why. A man who is not partaking some petty rejection of a small aspect of their system, but rather a complete and utter rejection of governance. One man that we can all rally round and support in numourous ways without any danger to ourselves.

The PTB will have no defense or argument to use against a man who not only rejects taxation but all of their legislation (legislation being a rule of a society given the force of law through the consent of the goverened). With their right to force legislation upon non consenting human beings being publically called into question in a court of law they cant say " but we have the right to legislate because this bit of legislation says we can!".

When publically reduced to the basics we win. We have clear logic and common sense on our side and they have no foundation to their right to form a government and control our lives beyond a pathetic crutch of the divine right of kings, and that just will not fly in this day and age.

If we can all manage to get one single man recognised as free, not having to pay tax, not having to ask permission for this and that, then it will spread like wildfire.

To sum up:

One free man brings it all down.
The rest of us can give all the support we possibly can without a nats knacker of risk :)

Oh and make it a reality TV show and the sheep will watch it.

Anonymous said...

Old Holborn should be the keeper of the definitive database of the enemy.It should be a comprehensive list of all those people who are alive and are wrecking the country (or have done so in the past). It should be a list of names and addresses. There will be about 20,000 of them.Know thine enemy. Its a good starting point.

Anonymous said...

There may be 60,000,000 of "us" but how many give a toss? Out of those who give a toss how many are prepared to actually do something? Out of those, how many are going to do something and then commit to it? Out of those how many are committed enough to go to prison for it. Out of those how many are committed enough to die for it? Not enough. Not nearly enough.

FTAC Watch said...

I know that there is no chance of me ever recovering from the damage done to me by the evil New Labour regime. I also know that the Conservatives will be just as bad, if not worse in some respects. I live in squalid conditions and have no access to any help whatsoever. The prospect of living the rest of my life like this or even worse fills me with dread so I have reluctantly decided to terminate myself sometime before the end of the year. It is not something that I want to do, but I have no other choice.

Rather than kill myself quietly, alone, and not be discovered for months, maybe there should be a spectacular where everyone can see that New Labour is KILLING PEOPLE. How about setting fire to myself in Parliament Square on Christmas Day?

All I ever wanted to do is to earn a living in peace.

Revolution Harry said...

Salvia, he already exists and is doing exactly what you suggested.

black hole sunset said...

The chances are that the UK - irrespective of which group of sock puppets grace the 61 inch, sorry, 154.94cm, plasma screen TVs of the 4th generation unemployed - will be quietly subsumed into a wider EU superstate within the next decade or two.

That being the case, and in the finest traditions of EU consensus building, it is also likely that a predomination of EU decision making by a German / French axis - odd bedfellows, they - will see the UK employed as a dumping ground for economic migrant inflows into the EU.

Aside of any discussion as to the merits or morality of mass immigration, it is, where military force has previously failed, the solvent by which UK plc will be rendered timid and, more to the point, digestible.

What is ommited from the words, and, seemingly, the minds of arse-fingering shiteaters like Mandelson, Milliband, Kinnock et al, as they strive to enrich their own squalid little provinces, is that the advantage and wealth of nation states is still very much in play within the EU framework. Only UK representation within the EU seems ignorant of, or, more likely, indifferent to, that fact, the ghastly fuckpigs.

Revolution Harry said...

FTAC Watch, don't do it. It may not be for the rest of your life. Join the resistance and do whatever you can. They'll only find a way to dismiss you as some sort of mental case.

We can and will defeat them. The revolution is scattered at the moment but awareness is growing and we shall prevail.

AJJM said...

Form an umbrella group for decentralised organisations. Base on the interweb, and in real communities. Each organisation can use some form of direct action. Use Humour sometimes (gets much of the apathetic publics attention), but have a serious message that we need real change. March through London. Have people organise their own marches through cities up an down the country.

Grab the headlines, and get a voice. Spread the message.

richard said...

what about the "Freeman on the land" kit - correct forms to send, what to say in court, what exactly it can mean to the individual who becomes a freeman. a list of success stories collated - there are some on youtube. it could well catch on. as you said before, you need the balls to do it. having the tools would help.

Anonymous said...

1. Set up an online newspaper The extreme right have UK Tabloid, the loony left have Indymedia. Something similar, but putting across small-government, anti-EU, libertarian news and ideas.

2. Merge the current libertarian-right parties - UKIP, UKFP, English Democrats and Libertarian Alliance.At the moment the libertarian vote is split.

3. Support Libertarians within mainstream parties such as Daniel Hannan.

4. Give money to the Taxpayers' Alliance is another way to defend freedom. They're by far the most effective of the current small government/anti-EU groups.

5. Talk to family, friends, acquaintances and colleagues about leaving the EU, the surveillance state, lower taxes, etc. It takes time to change people's deeply-held opinions and prejudices, and is best done gently and civilly, over a period of time.

6. Give up TV to legally avoid paying the BBC Propaganda Tax. You can still watch DVDs and internet TV.

woman on a raft said...

FTAC Watch - how about you keep writing? If you go, even in a blaze, it will not make any difference but your writing certainly opened my eyes.

There are indeed evil people who will just use any suicide or threats of it to say "See, I told you they were depressed" and thus dismiss everything else you've said. Staying inconveniently alive annoys them much, much more.

At the very least, you should hang on for another year as this one is going to be interesting and it would be a pity to miss the show. My personal bet is that all presidents of the EU who aren't called "Mark Anthony Blair" are going to have mysterious accidents with rollerskates at the tops of spiral staircases, or be found dead in woodlands, apparently bitten to death by marauding squirrels. Go figure - perhaps they were depressed.

Spartan said...

There are many groups opposed to what is happening. Problem is that they all have their own agendas so opposition is fragmented.

The various groups need to come together under one banner and adopt 'my enemy's enemy is my friend'

... and think big. Something akin to a Freedom Rock Festival would be a start. The youth of this country are totally unused politically ... give them something to rebel about.

We did it once in the 60's ;-)

Anonymous said...

FTAC Watch: You do it, and you'll never know, will you? Don't accept defeat.

A quick way to get people off their butts would be to disable television broadcasting. Far too many of us are being lobotomised by the fucking thing. Sooner or later power cuts are going to kick in. The middle classes are going to go totally broke. More immigrants are going to pile in. The EU will start getting to everyone, even chavs and pikeys. Hang around, FTAC. Don't miss out: revenge is sweet.

bofl said...

FTAC_ dont give the fuckers the satisfaction!!!!!!

we live in a society of actors! all pretending to be caring but all they care about is.......themselves!!!!!

it is prevalent in the health service.doctors,surgeons etc.all selling out to drug companies and more interested in being 'someone' than looking after patients........

i too have been on a 'back to work' is beyond a joke.....

as usual the thinking is behind the times.sending out 'spec' letters is a complete waste of time........

if your former profession is not in demand or uneconomic the look for another avenue.....dont keep chasing up the same dead alley......

find something you enjoy-and dont worry about the money........

they havent been able to finish you off so just think of how strong you really are!!!!!!

you can channel your anger to help you get back on your feet .....

when you are successful again you will be able to laugh at all the tossers at the job 'clubs'.....

maybe there is some legal way to get compensation from them?

JerryD said...

Perhaps any movement should be called COMMON CAUSE - (A nod to Brian Gerrish and his work on Common Purpose). Common in this case being as in COMMON law.

Any COMMON CAUSE banner should include all libertarians, Nationalists, anti-EU groups and small government groups. As we all have COMMON CAUSE against this criminal parliament of whores.

Once we have its destruction we can:

(1) Have a Party
(2) Agree on some form of written Constitution perhaps based on the US Bill of Rights and/or US Constitution.
(3) Have another party...

Fausty said...

Expecting the government to listen to our views because our views are rational, is missing the point. The government doesn't care what we think. It seeks to be in power long enough to enact laws which remove sufficient power from the electorate to ensure that they need never consult us again. You cannot reason with a totalitarian; integrity is not his concern.

Asking for referenda won't help because we're in effect asking for the government's permission to let us have our say - they don't want that.

Lobbying our MPs is just as useless, particularly if they are in safe seats.

We need to stymie their operations while we have the chance. The withholding of payment is a good means, but we won't have the power to do this for much longer. For instance, the government wants council tax to be deducted directly from our bank accounts - to deny us the opportunity of using non-payment as a protest.

Paying for everything via cash should be part of the solution but who knows for how long this will be possible. Customers who have repaid monthly bills in cash for decades, have had the facility removed.

We already have a written constitution (let nobody tell you otherwise). Visit the BCG - British Constitution Group. The government will have to have its feet held to the fire to uphold it. We will have to force it upon them the way the Americans are attempting to do now.

We don't have much time left. Once the Lisbon Treaty, Climate Change Treaty (a trojan horse if ever there was one) and the Codex Alimentarius Treaty are in force by the end of 2009, ever more totalitarian strictures will be put in place and we will find it ever harder to commune, let alone protest. We will probably be branded domestic extremists/terrorists and suffer penalty for any kind of dissent.

I like GCooper's idea of investigating the bastards - and also Anon's at 23:17.

Anon at 23:48 - I disagree. We should learn from successful "viral" movements - each cell should be equipped to take up the fight so that when one goes down, the others can continue. Internet connectivity is a good example of this - when one node becomes inactive, data is rerouted via other nodes.

Apologies for the long post.

Kinderling said...

In world War Two when Germany's Operation Sea Lion was in full force to invade Britain, on September 6th 1940 with bombs crashing down on London an Alert 1: "Imminent invasion" was declared.
The code-word "Cromwell" went out to the Southern and Eastern commands of Britain's Home Forces bringing them to immediate readiness.

Libertarians - flogging a dead horse said...

You have but one choice - to vote nationalist, the enemy is anti nationalist - anti representation, anti democracy, there is only a nationalist antidote.

Libertarians are a joke, who actually help further the corporate enslavers.

Vote BNP or UKIP, all else is pointless.

The ope boarders Libertarians are an ignorant greed fed part of the problem than a solution.

Dump this Libertarian bulldust bankrupt and unwelcome ideology then you may finally get somewhere.

Stop trying to flog a dead horse.

JerryD said...

Libertarian - or Freedom lovers as we are sometimes called - don't like being ordered about and told what to do. We believe in consent and voluntarism. Making our own choice.

We don't like the idea of the State as it always gets hijacked by murderous and its powers used against the people.

We don't all dance the same jig, ya know! The only solution to current crisis will be a Libertarian one.

Everyone marching around to the snare drum is just another collective.

Revolution Harry said...

Anon 00.37, in what way is the UK Tabloid 'extreme right'?

JerryD, I like the 'Common Cause idea.

L - FADHS, even though I disagree with the libertarian policy of open borders there is much of merit in many of the other things they advocate. A degree of, dare I say it, compromise may be needed. I'm sure we have plenty of common ground (cause).

Can I add that I have very deep suspicions about both the BNP and UKIP in terms of them being controlled. The PTB could bring Griffin down tomorrow if they so wished. They prefer not to because it suits their cause to have the nationalist resistance easily tainted with the smears of 'Nazi', 'racist', 'extremist' etc. At the very least do not place all ypur hopes in them. You may be disappointed.

Anonymous said...

So, after all the ideas posted, virtually all of which won't happen, there's the most feasible one was posted by anonymous (oops, that's me)
Which is... Protest outside MP's houses. If there are only a couple of dozen protestors you're not going to impress any MP outside the HOC, but you would impress one home alone.

Anonymous said...

...In fact, it could be a kind of hobby like birding. See how many MP's homes you can see, while dressed in your club's spotting outfit.

caesars wife said...

leaving the country isnt really a solution . we cant really afford mass strike actions .

The problem is under normal circumstances you would be moving conservative on a number of key policy issues anyway , but labour have just gone way out of normal uk politics .The ruin has destroyed any sense of what we once had .

we firstly have to ensure labour meet there appointment with electorial oblivion , the libs look like playing labours tunes at there gig , but so far are shy of showing there cards .

This requires a 6 month wait.

hes actually got the riot due when budget gets sussed .

not really there at forced regeime change yet , but its getting awfully close to it , the ruin should go , just to at least enable change , if hes such a nutter to take the country into a protacted political nightmare , then its no choice .

If he wants all the drama of hated oppressive goverment regeime change , it could yet happen .

seesm unthinkable but i bet ceaucescue thought that as he waved on the balcony

Anonymous said...

If C.S. Lewis were alive today. From his "Screwtape Proposes A Toast"...

(1 of 2)

"Hidden in the heart of this striving for Liberty there was also a deep hatred of personal freedom. That invaluable man Rousseau first revealed it. In his perfect democracy, you remember, only the state religion is permitted, slavery is restored, and the individual is told that he has really willed (though he didn't know it) whatever the Government tells him to do. From that starting point, via Hegal (another indispensable propangandist on our side) we easily contrived both the Nazi and the Communist state. Even in England we were pretty successful. I heard the other day that in that country a man could not, without a permit, cut down his own tree with his own axe, make it into planks with his own saw, and use the planks to build a tool-shed in his own garden.

"Democracy is the word with which you must lead them by the nose. The good work which our philological experts have already done in the corruption of human language makes it unnecessary to warn you that they should never be allowed to give this word a clear and definable meaning. They won't. It will never occur to them that Democracy is properly the name of a political system, even a system of voting, and that this has only the remote and tenuous connection with what you are trying to sell them. Nor of course, must they ever be allowed to raise Aristotle's question: whether 'democratic behaviour' means the behaviour that democracies like or the behaviour that will preserve a democracy. For if they did, it could hardly fail to occur to them that these need not be the same.

"You then make a stealthy transition in their minds from this political ideal [that men should be equally treated] to a factual belief that all men are equal.

"The feeling I mean is of course that which prompts a man to say I'm as good as you.

"No man who says I'm as good as you believes it. He would not say it if he did.

"Yes, and therefore resents every kind of superiority in others; denigrates it; wishes its annihilation. Presently he suspects every mere difference of being a claim to superiority. No one must be different from himself in voice, clothes, manners, recreations, choice of food.

"Under the name of Envy it has been known to the humans for thousands of years. But hitherto they always regarded it as the most idious, and also the most comical, of vices.

"The delightful novelty of the present situation is that you can sanction it - make it respectable and even laudable - by the incantatory use of the word democratic.

"Under the influence of this incantation those who are in any or every way inferior can labour more wholeheartedly and successfully than ever before to pull down everyone else to their own level. But that is not all. Under the same influence, those who come, or could come, nearer to a full humanity, actually draw back from it for fear of being undemocratic.

Anonymous said...

If C.S. Lewis were alive today. From his "Screwtape Proposes A Toast"...

(2 of 2)

"Meanwhile, as a delightful by-product, the few (fewer every day) who will not be made Normal and Regular and Like Folks and Integrated, increasingly tend to become in reality the prigs and cranks which the rabble would in any case have believed them to be. For suspicion often creates what it suspects.

"As a result we now have an intelligentsia which, though very small, is very useful to the cause of Hell.

"But that is a mere by-product. What I want to fix your attention on is the vast, overall movement towards the discrediting, and finally the elimination, of every kind of human excellence - moral, cultural, social, or intellectual. And it is not pretty to notice how Democracy (in the incantatory sense) is now doing for us the work that was once done by the most ancient Dictatorships, and by the same methods?

"The second Dictator led the envoy into a field of corn, and there he snicked off with is cane the top of every stalk that rose an inch or so... The moral was plain. Allow no pre-eminence among your subjects. Let no man live who is wiser, or better, or more famous, or even handsomer than the mass. Cut them all down to a level; all slaves, all ciphers, all nobodies. All equals.

"But now 'democracy' can do the same work without any other tyranny than her own. No one need now go through the field with a cane. The little stalks will now of themselves bite the tops off the big ones. The big ones are beginning to bite off their own in their desire to Be Like Stalks.

"At universities, examinations must be famed so that nearly all the students get good marks. Entrance examinations must be framed [likewise].

"In a word, we may reasonably hope for the virtual abolition of education when 'I'm as good as you' has fully had its way. All incentives to learn and all penalties for not learning will vanish. The few who might want to learn will be prevented ... We shall no longer have to plan and toil to spread imperturbable conceit and incurable ignorance among men. The little vermin themselves will do it for us.

"Of course this would not follow unless all education become state education. But it will. That is part of the same movement. Penal taxes, designed for that purpose, are liquidating the Middle Class ... The removal of this class, besides linking up with the abolition of education, is, fortunately, an inevitable effect of the spirit that says 'I'm as good as you'. ...If ever there was a bunch of tall stalks that needed their tops knocked off, it was surely they. As an English politician remarked not long ago, 'A democracy does not want great men'.

"For 'democracy' or the 'democratic spirit' (diabolical sense) leads to a nation without great men, a nation mainly of subliterates, morally flaccid from lack of discipline in youth, full of the cocksureness which flattery breeds on ignorance, and soft from lifelong pampering. And that is what Hell wishes every democratic people to be.

black hole sunset said...

@Screwtape Proposes A Toast

That's brilliant, all of it. Most especially:

"No man who says I'm as good as you believes it. He would not say it if he did."

I'd come to precisely the same conclusion - but not the same words, obviously.

Of the rest: magnificent, humbling.

Anonymous said...

Ive always wondered what would happen if a group of individuals bought land next to each other, became semi-selfsufficient and declared themselves and their property sovereign and simply stopped paying taxes and obeying laws.

How would the goverment justify using force to squash non-violent non-joiners that are exercising private property and self ownership?

if they didnt justify it and just went in guns at the ready then this will at least show the public the slavery they were born into.

if the goverment doesnt use force then a society left alone will prosper and grow.

Anonymous said...

cromwells apprentice said...

Words will achieve very little, politicians love opportunities to "listen" then forget everything before leaving the room. Cromwell, Wat Tyler, Jethro Tull, the Tolpuddle martyrs all had fine words but it was their eventual action that caused change.

Individual action is useful and small actions like flying the george cross flag as suggested by defender, if it were co-ordinated and done in enough locations and on a regular basis would have the authorities seriously worried.

Once somewhat organized, a group might target a particularly egregious annoyance- say the TV tax and publish a one page flyer to be distributed amongst the population suggestion renewals should be deferred until a final notice is received -or if you are sufficiently confident, by a failure to renew. Most even sedentary members of the populace would support that. There may be consequences but a large enough group should be able to support targetted members financially by fighting in court, you don't need lawyers, does not matter if you lose just tie up the courts and let government know public opinion is changing and their revenue sources are being threatened. Finally as discussed, as the movement gets bigger start bartering amongst yourselves, do not declare income starve the state of its ability to work.

Generally just be a pain in the arse to the government on a regular basis, make everything difficult for them, but do not break the law.

I also like OH's idea about getting and registering a shotgun.

These comments apply equally to a liebour or conmen government.

cromwells apprentice said...

Scratch Jethro Tull thats just bullshit, I am thinking of some-one else but cannot recall it just now.

Anonymous said...

Of the 60,000,000 that read Holby's Blog, so far, only 71 have managed to even make a comment, let alone DO something.

The Paddies had the right idea and even that took 30+ years to achieve not a great deal.

black hole sunset said...

Anon @ 05:40



I'd wondered about something like that, in a day-dreamy kind of way. A bit of wishful thinking to calm the fury after sitting through one or other horrific bullying session from that ghastly, balding, profiteering, AGW media faghag Gore.

Fingers crossed, and re-crossed, for it standing up to scrutiny.

Ha fucking ha =)

Anonymous said...

Grab your enviro-loons secret emails here...

dread0 said...

Or here, for the torrent shy.

Leafing through the stuff right now. Doing cross-searches on the interwebs to see if anything from the zip is still knocking around in the wild.

Found this.

thelunaticarms said...

Interesting post OH.

We need a leader. Sadly, seems all the leaders are crooked.

We've been trained from birth to follow so it is hard for us Royal Subjects to take matters into our own hands. Because we usually only end up butchering everything in sight... although if that is all we can muster, better than slavery.

killemallletgodsortemout said...

For a start, send a copy of this post to every one in your address book. 71 commenters than become more, as people get to know the blog. More people = more ideas.

I've come to the conclusion that the only way ahead at this stage of the parliamentary cycle is to vote BNP.

The LibLabCon is just that, a con, and I don't want to support a party that's going to grin while it shits in my face and robs me, which is exactly what any mainstream party will do.

adam said...

when Ron Paul wins in 2012 everything will change.

Bugger Lugs said...

The answer is quite simple and staring you all in your collective face.

Forget blowing up Parliament, hanging the from lampposts (good idea but only after taking control back), not paying taxes (they'll pick you off, one by one).

All froth and no foam.

The reason that they get away with it is that the vast majority of the voters don't give a shit. As long as they get the fags and booze and enough shekels to punt on the dogs they are happy as pigs in shit. They know no better, the Government knows it and wants it so. Wrap that up with the other millions who are employed by this Government or their life depends on it and you have huge voting (or non voting as in Glasgow E)figure. Factor in the cunts who are financially motivated to control this juggernaut (Police, Fake Charities and Pressure Groups, The Press and BBC and it becomes near impossible to change the system short of a Pol Pot solution.

That is NOT going to happen because of all the above.

Fantasies aside now.

The only way the United Kingdom will be returned to a Parliamentary representative democracy is to dismantle it, bit by bit.

The best friend of England is the SNP. In Government they have shown how it is possible to control Parliamentary excesses and give a responsive direction for Scotland.

Above all, we know where all the bastard SMPs in Holyrood live.

The residual corrosive politic in Scotland is the dying attempts by the London based parties to control Scotland by wire from London.

London is the poison.

Every sane Libertarian, every sane voter who believes in Parliamentary democracy should support and encourage Scotland's move to independence.

After that, England could reorganise itself much more easily because it will be forced to reassess its position in the World stage. That is what Brown, Blair, Cameron and all the London based politicians do not want. They crave all the trappings of power, the Pomp and the Circumstance, a seat next to Obama, a chair on the UN Security Council, all the photo opportunities, the need to be protected by "Special Police" and military elite, a feeling of importance in Bruxelles or wherever the next G 42.66 is being held.

Take all their toys away.

Turn all of the fuckers into Parish Councillors and control them all, with the use of lamp posts now if you wish

Wyrdties has got it.

Now fellow posters, respond if you like but anyone invoking Porridge Wog Pygmies or delusions of the RN invading Scotland cede the argument as they write.

Wake up, smell the coffee and stop allowing yourselves to be treated like sheep.

They have created a monster of Government stealthily, dismantle it bit by bit starting at the edges.

Billy Blofeld said...

I've thought about this differently...

My idea is here

Peter Whale said...

Start with a win, get everyone you can to phone.twitter, e-mail or any other form of communication, write a letter without a stamp to the houses of parliament all on the same day and electronic media all at the same prearranged time. When this gains momentum you can pick another target another day. With enough people you can disrupt the system with a concerted effort. Post the number, post the day, post the time.

Anonymous said...

I think we are all barking up the wrong tree.
Where is the power behind the throne?
The 646 are just the front men the real power is in the people who fund them and their parties. How do we remove or expose them?

Kingbingo said...

Well sir, since you ask. For start you need to get real, and pick a side rather standing on the fence pissing everywhere you look. There are only two parties that win elections you who they are, you know the least worst option of the two. So drop this Libertarian party nonsense and instead direct your efforts to the Libertarian wing of ‘that’ party. You know it’s there and is a powerful ‘persuasion’ with that party. The efforts of people like me, and I hope before too long you, is to make it the mainstream. It is a lot quicker and a hell of a lot easier than trying to get the libertarian party itself to actually win anything, or even meaningful influence.

Then you just accept that 50% of the century things go our way the other 50% they go the statist way. That’s because 100% of the time the balance of power in the electorate is held by people who only have short term memory. And every time we might actually become prosperous they decide we can ‘afford’ socialism, and then don’t chuck them out until we can’t.

Secondly, just keep doing what you’re doing. Highlight the madness of the state; continue to relentlessly put in front of us the evidence as to why rule by an all powerful state is total madness. And, what the result of that Madness is. The occasional link to good books that makes the point better than you can in 600 words at a time would be nice, just the obvious ones like Liberal Fascism or On the wealth of Nations. Also, the occasional comparison to the few countries that don’t worship the state, and how well their doing. Otherwise just keep doing what you’re doing mate.

I am Stan said...

What to do to effect change eh..tough one that,problem is people want different things...the only way to make a peaceful and real impact is to join or start a political party or union with like minded people that has the same ambitions as your own,starting from fresh or refocusing an already existing group

As a collective force you have power and resourses as an individual that power is seriously diminished.

However it takes leadership and commitment,time,lifestyle changes,which puts a strain on relationships with friends and loved ones and there is an element of danger of course from the state,other groups and individuals.

to start anything their needs to be leadership..that is why I Stan, can announce I am putting myself forward as your leader..

I shall be posting my salary,expenses and second home requirements shortly,I shall appoint my personal chef,driver,body guard as soon as I begin recieving your Stan Party membership fees...any one with a fit sister or daughter who would like work as my personal secretary please post pictures...twins welcome.


haddock said...

"Ive always wondered what would happen if a group of individuals bought land next to each other, became semi-selfsufficient and declared themselves and their property sovereign and simply stopped paying taxes and obeying laws."

they exist, they are called pikeys, they seem to do OK.
Perhaps it's as simple as all of us declaring ourselves to be pikeys.

JD said...

Say NO, and say NO again, and again and again, at every appropriate opportunity

anti_state said...

There was an excellent documentary on BBC4 two weekends ago called "The Secret Life of the Berlin Wall"

There was one man interviewed who had led the fightback against the East German state. I didn't catch his name and haven't got iplayer (overseas now). Does anyone know his name? I want to see if he has written a book about his experiences and the techniques he employed to start the mass movement.

That would be a good place for us to start: using the experience of someone who's actually done it.

richard said...

"The Paddies had the right idea and even that took 30+ years to achieve not a great deal."

UDR - part-time British Army regiment in Northern Ireland, has been disbanded.
IRA - Paddy insurgents - disbanded.
Police Service of Northern Ireland - reservists to be disbanded, ex-mambers to be disarmed even though they are receiving threats from so-called "dissident republicans"
in the rest of the UK pistol and rifle owners had their property confiscated after Dunblane and Hungerford - two criminal acts which gave an excuse for general disarmament of the law-abiding populace.
even the British Olympic Team pistol shooters have to go to IOM or Northern Ireland to practice.

there is no chance of armed rebellion in what used to be called the United kingdom, because there are no arms. there has been a deliberate policy of drawing the population's teeth.
furthermore, in my opinion, violence is counter-productive, self-defeating and morally wrong. non-violent co-operation is bound to achieve more - look at India, or the fall of the Wall.
the main problem with the Mob - us, the real rulers of Rome, is that we only act in extremis, and can be relied on to be passive when supplied with circuses and bread.

Anonymous said...

Well that took a while. I have read the whole thread so far and their are some good and bad ideas floating around.

How to bring about change?
Just look at how all the great revolutionaries did it in the past and follow their lead, and also.. learn from their mistakes.

I would recommend that anyone who is serious, start by doing the research. Look at all the major social shifts over history, what common factors brought them about, how the revolutionaries gained popularity, how they avoided capture, maintained the organisation..

Here are some pointers..

English Revolution of 1640-60
French Revolution of 1789
French resistance - WW2
Cuban Socialist Revolution
collapse of the Roman empire

Keep this thought in mind though.. are you prepared to Die for your belief? If you truly want change on this scale, you must be at peace with yourself and willing to scrifice everything..

The Revolutionary is a doomed man. He has no private interests, no affairs, sentiments, ties, property nor even a name of his own. His entire being is devoured by one purpose, one thought, one passion—the revolution. Heart and soul, not merely by word but by deed, he has severed every link with the social order and with the entire civilized world; with the laws, good manners, conventions, and morality of that world. He is its merciless enemy.

This is the mindset of a true revolutionary, if you find the above statement disturbing, you do not truly believe in yourself or the changes you wish to bring about.

George Monsoon

1969_Charger said...

At the moment, I am living outside of Europe (two years, now), but when I read the news, I'm still as angry as when I was there.

I have a couple of ideas as to what I can do, at the moment, I am trying to organize these ideas at home.

BTW, OH, did you see Zeitgeist, The Movie? I'm sure that you did.

(Word verification: ingsoc)

EU Prole said...

Face it.we're all fucked.

W/v stomm

Is that taking the piss?

Revolution Harry said...

Anon, 00.37, apologies, I thought you were referring to the excellent UK Column.

"So, after all the ideas posted, virtually all of which won't happen" Anon 2.06.

But it is happening.

Whoever posted the C. S. Lewis passage, thanks. Fantastic stuff.

Bugger Lugs, hasn't the Lisbon Treaty undermined your suggestion regarding Scottish independence. Surely that's on the cards anyway. Britain will almost certainly be broken up before being restructured into regions. All part of the plan.

Captain Ranty said...

My reply:

Read it, or don't.

Take action, or don't.

But please, don't pretend that we have no choice in the matter.

Think that way and you are behaving just as you should.


Redeeming Defect said...

Play them at their own game - complain to the press, local council, police, etc. about absolutely everything - if you have a pub called the White Hart or similar start a campaign to have it renamed to something non-racist.
Should cause enough public disgust to start things changing...

Anonymous said...

Scarp all this bollocks. Eastenders Christmas scripts have been stolen.

Let's have some proper perspective on what really matters...................................................... at least to the BBC!

I am Stan said...

The Stan Party is having its launch party this saturday..all welcome.

any advice on a manifesto would be welcome..


Anonymous said...

Buying up land next to each other and secceeding? They'd just drop a JDAM on you and then claim it was a horrible gas leak tradgedy. Or send the BBC round to film everything you do and then edit the shit out of it so you look like a nutter.

No armed rebellion because of no arms? Google P A Luty, his website has been taken down again but you can find his material on scribd and various torrents.

Bugger Lugs said...

Revolution Harry

Scotland secedes from The United Kingdom, the United Kindom is broken and therefore the United Kingdom no longer exists.

England and the remainder rump would not constitute The United Kingdom and therefore both parties would need to apply for membership of the EU. Acceptance would be a formality but.

Do you get where I am going?

The current thinking in Scotland, I think, would be fore a referendum (a real one) with an associate membership like Norway (obviously) and Switzerland.

Could England and the rump try for the same????

Anonymous said...

Hmmm. I posted at 6:57 and since then about another 20 people posted before this topic dropped down the page like a stone.

Has the revolution ended already?

I doubt anyone will even read this message.

Captain Ranty said...

Doubt ye not!

I read it.


Revolution Harry said...

And me.

Revolution Harry said...

It's a nice idea Bugger but I don't doubt the crafty manipulative swine that pretends to be our government will surely have other plans. All avenues should be explored though.

J B said...

Here is something Americans are doing:

Brits are good at whinging, I don't know if they have the balls to do anything though.

Anonymous said...

i will do what it takes. whatever that is.

romany rye said...

Haddock 9.59: good idea.

Ou boro duvel atch' pa leste.

Anonymous said...

Where do I sign up for the revolution? Seriously, why don't we start small, I get paid on the 25th of the month, I will withdraw all my disposable income on that date and all my (very meagre) savings and keep them under the mattress...imagine if we all did that, would it have any effect?

Deep Blue said...

I'm with you OH.

Resistance to the EU is currently dispersed among many factions. We need to link up to form a true resistance, based on a common set of core principles and beliefs (e.g. popular will over the domain and exercise of sovereignty, localism, habeus corpus, freedom of speech, no taxaton without representation, transparency in government, no to ID cards, no to the database and surveillance state, support our national heritage, freedom (with responsibility), equal opportunity for men and women, etc).
We will need to publicise and popularise the need to resist what the EU stands for, so it becomes socially acceptable to openly reject the EU. We will need to encourage people to display no-to-eu signs, eg. car stickers, and then for people to translate that into voting intentions.
Most people vote for a party with a good domestic agenda - which is what Cameron has largely got - and which the no-to-EU alternative party will need to adopt as a basis on which it can sell its freedom from EU message (UKIP take note).
We are freemen.

Anonymous said...

Start your own bank or persuade people to leave their bank and move to a "government" run bank like lloyds. If everyone moved their cash into lloyds the whole banking world would have to listen.

The money is the peoples, if we move it strategically, we can win. money is the game winner. There is no love, said...

I can comfirm they have cyberhoons operating and churing through a PR budget somewhere. Even at times inciting other hoons to physicaly attack.

Tracked some down to a "viral marketing firm". All is not what it may appear.

See blog

Dirty tricks underway to obfuscate and control persuade and divert opinion.

Viva the revolution if you value free un googlestalked speech.

Rogerborg said...

There are 60,000,000 people reading this blog? Most of them are very quiet.

Look, OH, you're an entertaining eccentric, but please don't become a tragic figure by imaging that you can make any difference beyond the reach of your own arms.

Anonymous said...

Stop paying (some) taxes.

This is perfectly legal; all you do is earn less (and have more free time for yourself - your time is your most valuable commodity - one day you will run out of it), make your own beer, wine and cider, grow your own tobacco, or alternatively do a periodic trip to the continent to stock up with a period's worth of EU duty paids but at a lesser rate.

Legally cease to pay the TV licence (a modern window tax), by ceasing to watch TV (or watch someone else's), cut down on VAT (eg on meals out by hiring a cook and eating in) and ceasing to buy all the stuff you never knew you needed (and subsequently discovered you didn't), and reducing fuel duty and VAT by cutting out unnecessary journeys and driving gently (worth up to 20% extra mpg).

I am sure there are many other ways and other taxes to avoid paying without impinging on one's lifestyle; indeed it could become a pleasurable exercise in its own right - have fun and not pay taxes by having fun without paying taxes.

There is more to life than paying taxes


PS What is the difference between government and organised crime?

JD said...

Yep, I still enjoy the fact that I pay so much less tax since I gave up cigarettes. In fact it is one of the main things that made it as easy as it is!

JD said...

The pen is mightier than the sword, and the pen is within the 'reach of your own arms', is it not?

Elby The Beserk said...

@cromwells apprentice, 20 November 2009 06:43
Scratch Jethro Tull thats just bullshit, I am thinking of some-one else but cannot recall it just now

Ten Years After?

Sorry. I'll get my coat

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