Friday, 20 November 2009

ClimateGate


If anyone is interested, it looks like a hacker has just blown Global Warming out of the water. He's managed to hack into University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit's email system and surpise, surprise, the great and the good are scamming us for trillions. Climate change does not exist and they know it.

Get stuck in people

58 comments:

I am Sick said...

If this is genuine, it really does uncover probably the biggest conspiracy of all time. Politicians, scientists and of course the ruling elites like the Rothschilds, look very likely to have been plotting the enslavement of humanity, for money. I wonder when all the dust has settled how many will face charges?

View from the Solent said...

OH,
a point of pedantry. Climate change certainly does exist. The climate has been changing for more than 3000 million years, and will continue to do so until the sun goes red giant in another 4000 million years or so.
(or something massive hits us)

It's anthropogenic global warming that's bollocks. That's why the warmists changed the name when even they couldn't hide the absence of warming over the last decade. (except that which takes place in their "models")

someday said...

If this is true (and I think it probably is), it is a mind-boggling story of corruption, scientific fraud and deceit.

Anonymous said...

hang on.. does this mean its actually getting colder? bugger, I was all for avenues of palm trees in Preston...!

Anonymous said...

It won't go away. The taxing and control opportunities are simply to good to let go.

Rab C. Nesbitt said...

It's a con for two reasons. 1, to fleece us all with new green taxes and 2, to try and keep china/india in their industrial place. Thus the crazy amounts of cash 'industrial' nations need to cough up to buy carbon credits.

AngryDave said...

Of course it is true!
We have all known that global warming/climate change was created by government funded scientists to explain something that has been constantly changing for billions of years. It was done with the intention of taxing the public, and scamming as much money out of us as possible.
They have dressed the subject up with certain elements of the truth, but left out the important details.

There is also the element of social enginering to take into consideration. Something the labour party love. If they make it too expensive for most of the people to drive, for example, then only the rich will be able to afford it. The rest of us will be bound by public transport, which can be controled through councils. Thus controling where we go, and when we go there. All the while making sure we are kept down enough not to revolt or be able to progress.

JD said...

CARBON TAX IS THEFT - PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=181254384531#/group.php?gid=181254384531&v=wall

I fear Anonymous 10:22 may be right.

Apparently there are plans to exaggerate the language the eco-chondriacs use, with 'global warming' being promoted to 'global burning', and carbon, that fundamental of life being re-branded as 'black carbon' - much scarier! They don't give up.

It will be fun to watch the attempts to 'deny' the truth of this hacked material.

Rab C. Nesbitt said...
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St Paul said...

I don't think facts will make the slightest difference to the Warmists. They have a new religion and for them the debate is over. The Deniers are the loopy moonbats. The Warmist orthodoxy is an article of unquestioning faith in the righteousness of the Great Prophet Albert Gore.

Angry Frank said...

I'm glad you're carrying this OH, from what I've been reading this is an utter scandal. Whether or not the mainstream media will cover it I don't know but it does seem to be leaking out slowly.

Bristol Dave said...

The "RulesOfTheGame.pdf" document makes very interesting reading...from DEFRA too, what a fucking surprise

Captain Swing said...

Hope you dont mind-I have borrowed this story.

Anonymous said...

MILANKOVICH

DZ

Fausty said...

Hadley Centre have admitted that they've been hacked!

" The director of Britain’s leading Climate Research Unit, Phil Jones, has told Investigate magazine’s TGIF Edition tonight ..."It was a hacker. We were aware of this about three or four days ago that someone had hacked into our system and taken and copied loads of data files and emails."…

TGIF asked Jones about the controversial email discussing “hiding the decline”, and Jones explained what he was trying to say…."

.243 Win said...

Looks like the leak's genuine and not some sort of spoofed-up stunt timed to coincide with Copenhagen :

"The director of Britain's leading Climate Research Unit, Phil Jones, has told Investigate magazine's TGIF Edition tonight that his organization has been hacked, and the data flying all over the internet appears to be genuine."

Anonymous said...

I fucking well demand global warming and we should not leet these fuckwits off the hook just because it's not happening.

Tell these arseholes that they are now firmly on the hook and have been paid a substantial retainer to deliver global warming.

Chicken out at this stage and nobody will vote for them ever again

rabalux said...

There is more to come. The release came with the comment:

"We feel that climate science is, in the current situation, too important to
be kept under wraps.

We hereby release a random selection of correspondence, code, and documents"

From the emails I have read they do admit there are gaps in the knowledge, data and theory. It also exposes them as a thoroughly indecent bunch, celebrating the death of John Daly and seeing sceptics as paranoid annoyances, the biggest one being Steve Macintyre despite his being quite prepared to believe in man made climate change. He is very serious about the science and statistics being sound and transparent if major legislative and taxation solutions are to be implemented.

Even though Macintyre is open minded about the cause, his rigourous approach to upholding good scientific and statistical practices have marked his card as far as some climate scientists are concerned. One of them even had the gall to remind people of our FOI Act, that they should be mindful of it. Another boasted that they had had strong words with the appropriate data controller about why information should not be let out.

adam said...

i must be missing the big revelation here.

Anonymous said...

As a general rule anything the left believe in is total and utter bollocks. Man made climate change is no exception.
Urban11

Anonymous said...

It would appear that the CRU have deleted data that was subject to an FOI request. That is criminal.

Anyone who feels likewise is encouraged to report this matter to Norfolk Police for investigation:

http://www.norfolk.police.uk/safetyadvice/reportacrime/reportacrimeonline.aspx

Anonymous said...

The climate change troughers, in smearing/ostracising sceptical scientists, are using exactly the same tactics as the tobacco control lobby.

Jay

Bristol Dave said...

The BBC have reported the hack but as yet have not detailed what's actually been revealed. Typical.

Spartan said...

Bristol Dave ... yeah, l noted that. Not even a hint of the alleged content.

Great journalism eh? They'll prob follow it up with how illegal it is to hack. ;-)

Spartan said...

Who is going to investigate the content of this hack? ... the Government? ...the Police?

l mean, they're both totally trustworthy aren't they? ... and l'm sure we'll get the truth from them ... won't we? ;-)

Anonymous said...

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/

.243 Win said...

Bristol Dave & Spartan : Leave it to AlJaBeeba to change the story :

Compare and contrast :

"The director of Britain’s leading Climate Research Unit, Phil Jones, has told Investigate magazine’s TGIF Edition tonight that his organization has been hacked, and the data flying all over the internet appears to be genuine.

In an exclusive interview, Jones told TGIF, “It was a hacker. We were aware of this about three or four days ago that someone had hacked into our system and taken and copied loads of data files and emails.”

“Have you alerted police”

“Not yet. We were not aware of what had been taken.”


With (from the Beeb...)
"A university spokesman confirmed the email system had been hacked and...because of the volume of this information we cannot currently confirm that all of this material is genuine.
"This information has been obtained and published without our permission and we took immediate action to remove the server in question from operation.
"We are undertaking a thorough internal investigation and we have involved the police in this enquiry."

No mention of what the contents were. How long before a "hoax" narrative appears with carefully reconstructed EMail trails.......

Tossers.

adam said...

Spartan, why are you dressed like a terrorist?

rabalux said...

I would be surprised if CRU was actually 'hacked'.

The existence of a mole became apparent in July.

Spartan said...

Adam ... how dare you sir? Am currently abiding by an east coast beach and need it to keep the sand and sun out of my eyes! ;-)

Also the local plod don't seem to like it. ;-)

Was given in by US Bomb Disposal Marine upon his return from Iraq on the promise l'd use it on my profile. He taught me how to wear it.

Hey ho.

caesars wife said...

before you all run away with the idea that climate change is a hoax i would like to remind you that natural history evidence shows that sea levels have been 6 metres higher than they are now , and 30m lower when the ice age was in full swing .

So pretty obvious that sea level rise will be problems .

CW is climate a change believer , but has to admitt suns influence could be major signal , i do believe that high up airplane exhaust streams do have an effect , and if you take a low level aircraft flight you can see a brown smog , so we do affect the atmosphere.

the one thing that all this misses is pollution , the killing of wildlife and nature as we industialise and intesinely farm .

The truth is we are part of nature , we do not live seperately from it , we should look after it and not destroy it .

it isnt just about global warming !

Anonymous said...

No one doubts "climate change" because the climate has always changed. What's in dispute are the major causes.

Katabasis said...

....and finally the invisible ink of the internet age technologies catches up with these clowns.

What utter, utter fools.

For those who don't know already its on the pirate bay and the keyword is easy to guess....

caesars wife said...

funny it gets hacked day after goverment announces dirty coal burning power stations and unproven clean coal technology that requires you to burn 20% more coal just to seperate and bury the CO2 !!

how conveinient !

Field Marshall Watkins said...

Snyone who thinks the IPCC are other enviro-commies are acting in your best interests. First of all, grow a brain cell, seriously. Second, watch this.

Lord Christopher Monckton Speaking in St. Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0

denverthen said...

Well, I've managed to download the entire thing (it's on a few torrents, although it's mysteriously been deleted from Pirate Bay). I've randomly read a few dozen of the roughly 1000 email threads, dating back to 1996, and just about every one of them has contained something either incriminating, conspiratorial, scientifically bogus, offensive (to scentists deemed 'deniers'), shocking or some or all of the above.

The hacked files are 168MBs of pure dynamite.

Anyone who can't find it and wants a copy, email me and I'll pass it on.

My brother (who's a bit of an expert in this sort of thing) is indexing the files to make them easier to digest, but that could take a while.

Jesus. Well done OH!

.243 Win said...

@ CW : Never doubted that the climate changes. Constantly, in fact.

Just doubt that the cause is humankind's various activities.

I never did et an explanation from an AGW wonk about how something that constitutes .0027% (yup, that's 27 thousandths of one percent...) of the earth's atmosphere by mass (mankind-produced C02) is such a damn great lever....

denverthen said...

(Pirate Bay has the torrent up again - or maybe I just followed the wrong links in the first place. That would not be unusual for an internet dolt like me.)

caesars wife said...

.243 win without sitting on the fence CO2 is one part of it , this is totally missing the pollution aspects plastics , pm10 particlates,acidification etc .

but to stick with global warming theory , petrol or diesel produces CO2 it also produces NO2 and heat , somthing like 30% of the energy in internal combustion engine is just heat .

1 litre of petrol produces 10 litres of co2 .

volcanic activity is producing 2.5 tonnes of co2 every second.

1 million litres of petrol is combusted in the UK every day or 10000 m3 of CO2

This is not CO2 created by current living economy, it is from life millions of years ago ie we are asking the current life to absorb carbon from a previous cycle .

3 cm of coal is 1000 yrs of compressed plant life or sequestered carbon .

the problem is what are termed the sinks , where the CO2 goes to , plant life uses CO2 , so you can work out how much they absorb generally speaking tropical rain forest , we dont farm it its just trees growing and fixing the carbon and giving out O2 , a field does not fix as much carbon per M2 as rain forest.

all other life that isnt photosynthetic respires ie use 02 and expires CO2 , burning stuff is just conversion of sequestered carbon into oxides of whatever composed them .

so we are taking carbon sequestered from millions of years ago and converting it to CO2 in the same volume of atmosphere that we had millions of years ago .

we know venus has a very dense atmosphere and is hot (10 times earth) and mars has a much less dense atmosphere and is cold .

so atmosphere composition affects planet temperature , earth has loads of water and life which affects the composition of the atmosphere, water dissolves oxides , life fixes it .
The white cliffs of dover are the shells of tiny animals fixed as calcium carbonate , acid rain dissolves calcium carbonate liberating CO2 .

so if CO2 from fossil fuel burning is not showing up on measured atmospheric gaseus mix , where is it going ??? and can the sinks absorb it with out any side effects .

It requires a lot of study and i dont think the IPCC is right but if it turns out that we are overloading the sinks with all the extra were putting in then we will change the level of fixing CO2 by plant life .

Another example is the siberian permafrost , as the planet warms the permfrost (which is frozen bog) is relesing methane , true more photsyntetic activity can take place as its warmer , but it also means all the vegitation trapped is rotting .

These are big systems with lags that is why if we are doing somthing wrong we need to understand it .

dont forget a hotter planet energises weather systems , so crop damage as well as infrastructure comes with the losses due to sea level rise .

The ice caps reflect solar raditaion with them melting the seas will absorb more heat , sea currents (that nutify ) could weaken as they are convection based on the big temperature differences of the polar and equitorial seas .

given that one oil company was deliberately found doing and putting out duff research , you have to wonder who is telling the truth .

Road_Hog said...

This stuff is almost certainly genuine, I've been following the CRU for a while and they certainly don't like public scrutiny.

Read this article and comment #3.

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=6673

black hole sunset said...

Bristol Dave said... The "RulesOfTheGame.pdf" document makes very interesting reading

If you like that, I found the original document knocking around 'in the wild' along with a whole bunch of creepy NLP sales-fraud stinkiness at the following link:

http://www.futerra.co.uk/downloads/

It's all publicly accessible so knock yourself out (I downloaded the whole thing using the Firefox plugin DownloadThemAll).

It's interesting that Hadley have confirmed the hack, and it's timing, because they don't seem to have left the hacker any time to 'doctor' the emails. On top of which, I haven't seen anything from the AGW moonbats (RealClimate) disputing the provenance of the aforementioned emails.

RealClimate's response to questions about the emails where they blatantly discuss the supression and/or destruction of information that is the subject of an FOI request will bring a raised eyebrow and dark smile to the face of even the most hardened cynic =)

Ron Broxted said...

If this is true I am really devastated. How could I have been so stupid to have been taken in by all this global warming nonsense? My last regular boyfriend insisted on sex without a condom because he said their manufacture aggravated global warming.

Skepticus said...

Excellent summary of e-mails here

CRU Hacked dodgey e-mails
"*Phil Jones writes to University of Hull to try to stop sceptic Sonia Boehmer Christiansen using her Hull affiliation. Graham F Haughton of Hull University says its easier to push greenery there now SB-C has retired.(1256765544)
*Michael Mann discusses how to destroy a journal that has published sceptic papers.(1047388489)
*Tim Osborn discusses how data are truncated to stop an apparent cooling trend showing up in the results (0939154709)"
&etc. &etc.


And here is a good one in full
1056478635.txt:
From: “Mick Kelly”
To: Nguyen Huu Ninh (cered@hn.vnn.vn)
Subject: NOAA funding
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:17:15 +0000

—-boundary-LibPST-iamunique-1131694944_-_-
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=”utf-8″

Ninh
NOAA want to give us more money for the El Nino work with IGCN.
How much do we have left from the last budget? I reckon most has been spent but we need to show some left to cover the costs of the trip Roger didn’t make and also the fees/equipment/computer money we haven’t spent otherwise NOAA will be suspicious.
Politically this money may have to go through Simon’s institute but there overhead rate is high so maybe not!
Best wishes
Mick

____________________________________________

Mick Kelly Climatic Research Unit
School of Environmental Sciences
University of East Anglia Norwich NR4 7TJ
United Kingdom
Tel: 44-1603-xxxxxx Fax: 44-1603-xxxxxx
Email: m.kelly@xxxxx
Web: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/tiempo/

The Paragnostic said...

Well it looks like Crichton was spot on in 'State of Fear'.

Why am I not surprised?

Because I'm in my mid 40s and I remember when the Gaia hypothesis and 'Daisyworld' were all the rage among my peers - simplistic models that appealed to the young imagination.

Yes, some things that humans do fuck up the environment, but CO2 isn't a huge deal - in fact given the raw temperature data I'd be in favour of burning more coal to offset the natural cooling that is taking place. The urban heat island effect is what has skewed the data and made people believe the global warming bullshit - temperatures measured in urban areas have gone up over the last century, while temperatures measured in rural areas have gone down. I'd trust the rural data over the urban, simply because urban growth amplifies the heat island effect and distorts the figures in a way that helps the global warming / carbon tax / empire building bureaucrat and scientist types.

And why is the Climate Change centre at a shit leftie polytechnic like UEA, and not a real uni?

.243 Win said...

@CW : Again, no disagreement from me - the point I was trying to make (poorly, it appears...) was that the atmosphere is a chaotic, complex system and not something that can be treated as an independent unit.

So yup, agree with your comments re the effects of methane, polar reflectivity, oceanic currents and absorption and the worst of the "greenhouse gasses" - water vapour.

Point was that latching onto a single element (CO2) in a complex system is not exactly an honest approach.

But then again, there's politicians and taxation involved...

Rogerborg said...

Caesar's Wife, old stick, the rise in atmospheric CO2 isn't the issue.

This is:

"The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. [...] the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate."

Their words, not mine. The planet is not warming significantly. Despite the Warmies' fervent assertions that it must be, it stubbornly refuses to bow to their will and obey their models.

Note how the Doomsayers gnash their teeth and warn about future temperature rises, while having continuously to push that "future" further away as their past predictions fail to materialise.

Here's the thing. The Warmies might be right. But if they are, then it'll be because the shysters who are making their living selling warnings about warming are simply luckier guessers than the crooks who are bleating about a glacial period.

It won't be through anything approaching science either way though. None of them have models that are worth a damn at accounting for past changes in global temperature - like the Medieval Warm Period - let alone predicting future ones.

Long term predictive climatology is Soothsaying. It really, truly is. It's an industry infested by people who are sadly delusional at best, deliberate frauds at worse. If they were paid based on their results, then half of them would be starving in the gutter.

The only reason that you're even hearing the rantings of the Warmies is because its a convenient boogeyman for governments to use to push through legislation, strong arm each other in trade negotiations, and avoid dealing with the real problem: Johnny Foreigner squeezing out billions of babies that we seem to think are our responsibility to vaccinate and feed once they're devoured all their local resources like locusts.

The thing is, if you wave some money around, plenty of shamans will be happy to sell you the story that the rise in dirty industry in India and China will pollute the air sufficiently to induce cooling, as (they'll tell you) happened in the 1940 to 1970 cool period.

You're not hearing that though, because the story that's been decided on is warming. That's where the money is now. The facts will just have to catch up, if they know what's good for them.

Anonymous said...

@Rogerborg

It'd be nice to see a graph (like the noaa one you linked to) that overlayed the concentrations of all potential greenhouse gases, and where the concentration of each gas was multiplied by a scale factor that represented that gas's 'strength' in respect of the greenhouse effect.

Zero-based, obviously, to lend a much needed sense of proportion.

caesars wife said...

well ok roger borg , these emails do suggest some tampering and fiddling and I agree that it could be some sort of funded NWO hoax that conveiniently fits a planetary solar variation.

I havent sen any rebuttal yet from east anglia university but with copenhagen due it puts alot of things into question .

At best we can only model it as its too big a system to measure, but models fiqure eqautions and inputs either of which could be skewed .

Dont forget a lot of well heeled have signed up for this and i find it hard to believe that that there isnt concern for whats going off.

We still have to understand we will have to change because of the effects we are seeing , pm10 is awful stuff , what I mean is the change to green forms of living will still have other benefits, its very disheartening to find this hack , making people think the other aspects arnt valid .

Most of the great rivers are trashed , the deltas are vital for fish stocks , if pollution is mainly down to fossil fuel use it still points to the need for a different way of doing things .

Its just too big a risk with such a high global population .

At best we need more definite science , but again all this CO2 stuff is stopping the pollution and nature loss aspects.

All this money has gone into IPCC and yet ,pollution dead zone forming in gulf of mexico hardly gets a mention , or ganges or yangsy .

certainly looks like a scientific bust up is now on the cards

The NWO religion is dead. said...

So the NWO may now loose their tax cow, their nexus and their religion in one go.

Hands up who thinks they will roll on just the same, they don't need facts, accountability or a mandate.

Just corrupt politicians prepared to sell their souls for a few pieces of silver.

Anonymous said...

So now who's wearing the tin foil hats, those that knew it was a tax and control conspiracy or those that believed in the big lie?

Still think the NWO have as much control over you as Asda security guards OH?

this is just the begining.

PS this is more to do with peak oil and growth, the bankers need constant growth from cheap oil and mass immigration to sustain their fiat money.

caesars wife said...

I dont consider it a tin foil hat , but there are some issues now which need some clarfication , global warming may well be just hiding ecnomic controls to allow profitable activities for the NWO and us made into the proles. conspiracy theories arnt quite the same as science but being as it seems science has been used , the back lash is unfortunate in that it doesnt ask questions .

the abilty to measure temperature accurately has not been with us that long , we do however know quite a bit about the last 100,000 natural history ,as regards mans involvement then the last 250 years , before that poulations were still mostly living of the land and pre industrial.

solar activity has been measured for at least 100yrs and before that we have drawings of sunspots so we can make estimations .

I will borrow from a post on another blogg that we also have to consider , changes in earth sun orbit, space/comet dust .

we know large volcanic and meteor impacts putt gas and dust which reflects solar raditiation , the winter post krakatoa is well recorded .

and some honest answers on what jet exhaust streams are putting up , if they are reflecting radiation .

hadley models until yesterday were considered the best on the planet , they did show the polar regions heating , which is either lucky or we need to know what other factors could be causing it.

either way the cause being a hoax is damaging other apsects of the green movement which are important.

egg on faces all round to just carry on burning and polluting is an answer that could favour other interested groups .

it isnt a battle against the greens but it is one to find if there have been complicit NWO hoaxers for political mind control .

The ice is clearly melting thsi has implications for both glacier and polar functions to natural workings of this planet , that is not a hoax !

dread0 said...

Hi Caesars Wife, like your thinking on the wider picture of environmental damage (pollution, loss of species etc), who the hell wants to live in the denuded, toxic dump that we're clearly headed towards??

The question that sticks in my mind it this: why didn't those at Hadley CRU just do the job they're paid to do, and do it in a manner that is *expected* of any scientist who claims to be worth his salt?

Those Hadley emails do more than suggest a bit of tampering. What they actually reveal is a systematic effort to falsify results (in statistics, cherry picking is a euphemism for fraud, and a deceptive one at that) and to suppress/destroy contrary evidence in order to further the careers of the individuals concerned and maintain the prestige of Hadley CRU as a major player in the - frankly, rather Stepford Wives - AGW 'movement'.

Hadley can't explain important warming (fair enough, the modelling problem is difficult one) and won't report cooling (they're finished as scientists because they've chosen to adopt the very worst aspects of the corporate green-wash stooges they claim to hold in such low regard, funny that).

If there's any justice over the next few months, those supposed scientists at Hadley, who've been shown to be anything but, will be dismissed or quietly pensioned off to make way for *real* climatologist, statisticians and model programmers who have an instinct for scientific enquiry above politics and career advancement via fraud.

If CO2 is as big a threat as is claimed, we surely need the most comprehensive and trustworthy answers on the subject, not Hadley'equ grant-whoring junk science.

More importantly, I don't think for one second that those who've been indirectly commissioning Convenient Truths from Hadley give even the slightest shit about the environment 'proper'.

caesars wife said...

dear dread0 , find myself in whole agreement , it is very unfortunate that we will have to wait for some rebuttals , a whole load of people now dont know what to think , its messy note government have been quiet , being as they funded this you would have expected a huge rebuttal , so all very odd isnt it .

dread0 said...

Thanks Caesars Wife, you're too kind, and that's an interesting point about government silence. Waiting to see which way the wind blows, probably; their credibility, such as it is, in the balance.

caesars wife said...

seems a wise choice , the government dont deserve half the wind in the sails they get(sorry that our taxes pay for) , how can digging up a field and building houses be green !

good job some people still have faith in truth even if it takes its time

Mark said...

'And why is the Climate Change centre at a shit leftie polytechnic like UEA, and not a real uni?'

The CRU at UEA in Norwich was the brainchild of Prof Hubert Lamb- the leading climatologist of the last century, and a genuine 'hard' scientist. He died in 1997 and the CRU has been coasting on his reputation ever since. The unit has been taken over by innumerate, touchy feely 'environmental scientists' since Lamb's demise. The latest revelations, if verified, could deliver the coup de grace to its faded reputation.

JD said...

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/environment/2377-ipcc-researchers-admit-global-warming-fraud

The e-mails are real.

Sugar Tits said...

Club of Rome on Climate Change.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Club_of_Rome

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