Thursday, 22 October 2009

Its Called Free Speech



I am currently smiling at the mounting hysteria of the left that another far left political party is going to appear on BBC's question time.

The BNP is a legally registered party with a particularly loathesome message, but then again so is Nu-Labour. I listen to what they say, but it does not mean that I will accept the message. Only Stalinists think that the media is so pervasive that I will automatically go and vote for this message or that message. I am perfectly able to think for myself.

As to the BNP's message, this is the inevitable response to Labour closing down the debate on mass immigration with the lazy and simple expedient of yelling 'racist' at people. They will still carry on thinking that they are not happy with multi culturism, and spending vast sums on translation services because incomers will not learn English. They can see the housing policy failures, the added burden on the State as most of the incomers are dirt poor who are coming here in the full expectation that they will have a better life. That is not unreasonable.

Just because Labour don't want to talk about it, does not mean that it is not an 'ishoo', with the vast bulk of their core support.

The Labour Party's favourite mouth piece 'The One Show' lead the charge last night with a very overt political broadcast, the hourly news on the BBC has become even more strident. Also the disgraced Peter Hain has dared make pronouncements on the subject of the BNP appearance on Primetime TV. The UAF is threatening violence and picketing so that we can all live in peace together ???

When the Rotten Parliament has proved so willing to feather its own nest, they should not act so surprised when people look for alternative messages, and the BNP has the most simple message and solution of all. Its all about race.

Nothing to do with a bloated State, nothing to do with thousands of unemployable people 'wif rites innit' watching Jeremy Kyle all day, nothing to do with we are upto our armpits in debt, for crap that nobody has worked for. Nothing to do with a debilitating pointless celeb culture, nothing about that we make anything that people want to buy. Nothing about avoiding responsibility for our actions, wanting the State to look after us, make decisions for us, protect us,INFANTALISE us.

Its all about race innit.

Its about moral leadership. The British still have a belief in Free Speech and do not believe that banning everything achieves very much. The three major parties have failed the moral leadership test, with their outdated seventies progressive claptrap and their lying and corruption.

48 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hear, hear!

It's about sll I can say but agree with every damn word.

T'old 'un said...

It really shows to me that the current bunch of carpet baggers do know the true situation regarding their standing with the public, when they try to decry the BNP.
But to put up such a "lovable" portion of detritus as Hain to do it shows that they have no grasp of reality.

St Paul said...

Hain, the shifty professional racist, cannot believe that anyone would accept the BNP simply to upset him.

SO17 said...

I hate being lied to then being made to feel as if I am a lunatic because I can see the king has no new clothes.
From personel experience living in south London I never found anything to'Celebrate'in my fractured insular community and so joined what is now recognised as 'White Flight'.
When Crime is factored in(which it never is)pound for pound immigration since 1948 has been a fucking disaster.

bofl said...

well done to you holborn for aloowing posts about the bnp.that tit fawkes writes about them-then censors posts!

the reason for immigration has ALWAYS been economic........west indians were brought here to do jobs 'that nobody wanted to do'......which was a lie .......as usual.the reason uk citizens didnt want those jobs was because the pay was very low.........industry and government wanted cheap labour.......but didnt have the balls to tell the truth ( again)......

in the past wage inflation was seen as the economic bogey man.........therefore to keep headline inflation down all sorts of people have been imported.to worl for bugger all (again) ....

now we have a situation where 7.8million adults are economically inactive (see the o.n.s site)......

and many people in work are really struggling...........

the truth is that immigration has been for the benfit of politicians and business leaders only..........
a slieght of hand exercise where the rich get richer and everyone else gets fucked!

we now have millions of people with no links to these lands and resentment is building.......if we had not brought in all these people then the bnp wouldnt exist.......

wake up everyone.we are all being used!!!!!!

and why is it that we brits are all called racist?

havent the french fought with the germans?
the indians with the pakistanis?
the hutus with the tutsies?
the sunnis with the shias?

the bnp are idiots but the corrupt lying arse bandit champagne socialists are even worse.......

as for president blair?
has anyone seen the pictures of deformed children born in fallujah?

Billy Blofeld said...

Excellent article

Maturecheese said...

5live is continuing the campaign all day today with the UAF given a free reign to spout their nonsense. (is that the correct spelling of their???) It seems to me that the Big three' party's stormtroopers the UAF are more blinkered than the BNP.

People want something done about mass immigration, Islamification and the EU. All people are talking about is,you guessed it, racism.

.243 WIN said...

Spot on OH.

Listening to Pravda this morning, it's starting to look like the last days in the bunker - CWU attacking their hired chimps in ZaNu (something AlJaBeeba failed to mention...) and Diane Abbott parachuted in to yell "You're not listening" to anything that didn't agree with her "assertion is fact" approach.

Here's what bothered me though : I've worked with a number of Beeb types and if you think the hoons in Westminster live in a bubble, you 'aint seen anything until you've encountered a fully-institutionalised Beeboid.

They're like one of those fictional tribes who say the opposite of what they mean, so when they start banging on about their "impartiality", you know that's the opposite of what they're going to do.

So here's the punch line : When the Political Editor appeared, he went banging on about "impartiality". They're going to be so impartial that the audience is going to be "completely representative of the London Community". The most multi-cultural City in the world.

Looks like they're going to do the equivalent of putting Griffin in the stocks.

Let's get it clear, I'm no supporter of the Toytown Nazis or their "message". But if they don't start asking the hard questions of the mainstream - like "how did you so disenfranchise 1 million voters to the point that they turned to the BNP" - and counter, rationally their rhetoric, just bear-baiting Griffin may well increase his support.

defender said...

The BNP might not be the perfect way solve the problems, nobody is. But the people are totally pissed of with being taken for granted and not listened to. They like to claim they do, but listening lalala like is not listening.
We do have to break this circle of the labour/tory monopoly, they will do their utmost to maintain the status quo.
The BNP may not be what you may like in a perfect world but, hey, the real world will never be perfect.
The BNP are pissing off the rightous big time, most here would applaude the pissing off the rightous, except you dont like the BNP doing it best.
Lets find common ground, that shouldnt be too difficult with everyone tired of the utter shit we have been shoveled, breaking the established way for the past decades has got to be broken by whatever means at hand, the BNP has shown so far that it has the bottle and the conviction to make a firm stand. Let us at least respect that.

Ian said...

They just dont get it. They are so hooked into the "message" that they dont see anything beyond it.

As Guthrum says, the mentality will be that they arent "getting the message across well enough", when the reality, that anyone forced to live in one of these multi-culti hell holes, knows only too well what the message is.

If you are white working class you are at the bottom of the food chain - a racist xenophobe hooked on welfare, alcohol or drugs and reality tv. This is what the elite political class have done to the white working class indigenous population.

And now someone has come along and started articulating this disenfrachised perspective and all the establishment has come together - read todays telegraph comment from Frank Field and Nicholas Soames - to shout them down.

All the bbc guardian uaf as well as nothing british etc., are doing is upping the anti.

I can only see it ending one way and it doesnt look good. As one of the proles above, I can easily understand the anger and resentment, but I can also see that this is going to end in tears because no one wants to reach out to this community.

All the establishment want is to shut down the debate and this is the real problem.

Why do the parties not listen to the people. If they did then the problem with BNP goes away. Whats missing here? Never has there been such divide between ruled and rulers.

Phil Free said...

Good post, OH. Agree entirely.

Utterly despise the BNP, and how they infect people. But, I think, give the cockholsters enough rope....

JuliaM said...

"The Labour Party's favourite mouth piece 'The One Show' lead the charge last night with a very overt political broadcast, the hourly news on the BBC has become even more strident."

And this morning, in the 'Indy', they were even deploying the children's authors!

His chief whine being 'I can't say offensive things on TV, yet Griffin can!'.

Well, Mikey, no-one voted for you, did they?

Anonymous said...

Nobody disenfranchised 1 million voters to the point that they turned to the BNP anymore so than people were disenfranchised and so turned to the tories or labour.

1 million people voted for the BNP, get used to it.

rolbilse said...

Is some of the bluster over the BNP that they are not that far removed from Labour, and these days not that far removed from the social, big Government Tories? The BNP are more socialist than the others but not by much.

I am Stan said...

There`s so much hand wringing from both sides its pathetic...for fucks sake get over it ..its one dull tv show with one politician from one minor party...

I could not give a fuck if he`s on or off
i`m not giving him my vote anyway..

But then i am as black as night hahahaha

defender said...

Stan, I bet you are alright, seem to be loving it, all these white fuckers trying to decide what to do with the "darkies".
I am a blackie too and I will be voting as usual BNP, hahahahaha.

I am Stan said...

Defender

YO BRO!

defender said...

yo, walk easy

libertyscott said...

The BNP is very much like old Labour, but then again the Nazis were National Socialists. Stalin and Hitler weren't opposites, they were rivals for similar space to be tyrants.

The BNP has far more in commmon with the far left than it will ever admit, just different forms of collectivism.

Which is why it attracts the underclass is such staggering numbers - Labour blames business, the wealthy, racists and sexists the BNP blames foreigners and business, neither tell the underclass that success comes when you stop relying on the state to solve your problems.

Anonymous said...

"I am currently smiling at the mounting hysteria of the left that another far left political party is going to appear on BBC's question time."

The hysteria is from the Tory papers as much as the so called `left`, in fact their is no `left` or `right` anymore.

Both have been replaced by NWO control and corporatocracy.

Fascism.

Or had you not noticed 80% of our laws are made by the unelected EUSSR corpoarate stooges elsewhere?

They fear the BNP for NO other reason than that they are both worried the BNP will expose the NWO sham that is claimed to be our democracy, before they have the chance to destroy it totally and get rich from the misery they have bought to the masses.

If the BNP gained power 99.9% of these carear politicians from the Lib Lab Cons would be begging for a safe BNP seat and offering to do whatever it takes to get their hands in the till.

Fausty said...

Labour seems to have done away with the word "racialist" (whose meaning is absolutely clear), with the term "racist" which covers just about everything, including culture.

While there are undoubtedly racialists who back the BNP, many people are upset about the way uncontrolled immigration has undermined their culture.

Anonymous said...

They just dont get it. They are so hooked into the "message" that they dont see anything beyond it.

As Guthrum says, the mentality will be that they arent "getting the message across well enough", when the reality, that anyone forced to live in one of these multi-culti hell holes, knows only too well what the message is.

If you are white working class you are at the bottom of the food chain - a racist xenophobe hooked on welfare, alcohol or drugs and reality tv. This is what the elite political class have done to the white working class indigenous population.

And now someone has come along and started articulating this disenfrachised perspective and all the establishment has come together - read todays telegraph comment from Frank Field and Nicholas Soames - to shout them down.

All the bbc guardian uaf as well as nothing british etc., are doing is upping the anti.

I can only see it ending one way and it doesnt look good. As one of the proles above, I can easily understand the anger and resentment, but I can also see that this is going to end in tears because no one wants to reach out to this community.

All the establishment want is to shut down the debate and this is the real problem.

Why do the parties not listen to the people. If they did then the problem with BNP goes away. Whats missing here? Never has there been such divide between ruled and rulers.

22 October 2009 12:47
Blogger Phil Free said...

Good post, OH. Agree entirely.

Utterly despise the BNP, and how they infect people. But, I think, give the cockholsters enough rope....

could you elaborate..... and what do you suggest as an alternative??

Anonymous said...

While there are undoubtedly racialists who back the BNP, many people are upset about the way uncontrolled immigration has undermined their culture.

who back them?? I do and I am not ''racialist''....a realist

Anonymous said...

I am voting BNP its the only way out of this hell the so called 'liberals' have created

Good Luck Nick. The world can see who the totalitarian fascists are as they are now shutting down freedom of speech as they shutting down reason. The new Dark age

Anonymous said...

libertyscott said...
"Which is why it attracts the underclass is such staggering numbers - Labour blames business, the wealthy, racists and sexists the BNP blames foreigners and business, neither tell the underclass that success comes when you stop relying on the state to solve your problems.
22 October 2009 13:52"

wow what utter shit from the ignorant self rightous.

labour blames business? Labour are in the pockets of big bussiness!

Labour blame the wealthy?
Labour are in the pockets of the wealthy and the rich poor divide has widened under labour.

Labour blames rascists? Huh?
Labour use the word racists to silence the opposition to the destruction of the countries identity in order to make way for the NWO using a racist method!

Labour blame sexists, just another method of breaking down society for the NWO to reshape it.


the BNP blames foreigners and business,

Wrong the BNP blame politicians for the negative effects of mass immigration.

The BNP have nothing against business and in fact would like to revive industrial business, what the BNP does not like is corporaticracies which has the politicians selling off our assetts to it's backers for a song.

Neither tell the underclass that success comes when you stop relying on the state to solve your problems.

Er perhaps you should read the BNP website more often, the BNP have a workfare program, and the BNP would also introduce grammer schools alowing gifted working class kids a way out of poverty and helping to lift whole estates and give hope to people who are otherwise abandoned buy the other parties including the glibertarians.

another thing you might not have noticed is that the underclass do not vote!

still let's not let your predudice and ignorance get in the way of the facts, eh!

self rightious glibertarian(thatcherite) twat!

The BBC brainwashing program is a complete success! said...

"Blogger Phil Free said...

Good post, OH. Agree entirely.

Utterly despise the BNP, and how they infect people. But, I think, give the cockholsters enough rope...."


What blogger Phil free actually said was that he does not understand demographics, that he has been brainwashed by the BBC and that he is looking forward to sharia law.

Take your head out of the sand Phil! or is it your arse?

Road_Hog said...

Someone has leaked the audience list for tonight's programme.

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.politics.misc/browse_thread/thread/903b1e90c2a5909a/79d22aa62626cba7?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Question+Time++audience+list+leaked#79d22aa62626cba7

Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs said...

That Liebour twat John Mann MP has stitched up Griffin royally by denying him access to the House of Commons

Anonymous said...

Anonymous, 22 October 2009 14:13
well said ,agree with every word.
wake up you lot to the NEGLECT of the public,read up on the copenhagen treaty,it reveals the birth of world goverment.all this is a distraction from the True Agenda coming into being.

libertyscott said...

Anonymous: I'm no Thatcherite, she was no libertarian, she did a fraction of the job and went backwards in a few areas.

The BNP is protectionist, wants to subsidise what it likes, wants to nationalise industries and believes in pouring money into state education (always a goal of tyrants across the spectrum). It believes in very big government, just doesn't like people with a different colour of skin, all of the senior BNP people have had neo-Nazi links. Few BNP supporters know the BNP Constitution gives Nick Griffin absolute unfettered control over party finances. Fascists often like deferring to a single leader. Griffin once courted the Ayatollah Khomeini in the 1980s because he was anti-Israel - funny how times change. He's an opportunist and Islamist scum and appeasement by others towards them have granted him that opportunity.

You trust Nick Griffin at your peril, he could decide one day to bugger off to another country and retire with the proceeds of the BNP's bank account, and none of the knuckle draggers would have a clue what to do.

Labour attacks business when it doesn't support it, it is waging war on bankers at the moment for populist reasons, when it used to suck up to them. It is fundamentally corrupt, but has courted votes of low income migrants by granting them access to the welfare state, and signing up to the racist jibes when anyone questions immigration and welfare. Labour has long sought to breed dependency among the working classes, and maintained power because of Tory incompetence, and flooding the economy with fiat money to boost housing prices, keeping middle classes happy. That has imploded, Brown can't hide his incompetence.

What's sad is that what's coming is not that much better.

BBC NWO mind games said...

"Fausty said...
Labour seems to have done away with the word "racialist" (whose meaning is absolutely clear), with the term "racist" which covers just about everything, including culture."

I'm sick of Labour and the NWO changing words in their world of lies and doublespeak.

If people are using a word a lot regarding an issue they don't like they remove it and replace it with something else and insist this is the new unwritten law!

The mind benders and spinners are hard at work trying out their social experiment of bringing misery to the masses for their and their NWO masters profit!

beness said...

As far as I'm aware the BNP have not yet!, banned anything.

Labour have nothing but smear in their armory.
My local BNP councilour elect has been a mate for over 30 years and I still would not vote for him and I have told him so.

As much as I like him I do not like the politics of the party.Does not mean I wont speak to him.
These "professional politicians don't seem to be able to talk across the divide and to me that just makes them silly children.

Did they not talk to the IRA?

Guthrum said...

could you elaborate..... and what do you suggest as an alternative??

If you can speak English, have a trade or profession are prepared to work and not be a drain of the rest of us- Welcome with open arms.

Whoops - that is not going to be attractive to 28% of the population who what to be protected from everything including reality who are already here.

Anonymous said...

Great post!

Tonight's viewing figures the biggest of all time?

Anonymous said...

It would be a fatal mistake to assume that the BNP will only attracted Labour voters and not Tory. True they seem to be gaining the white working class, traditionally Labour vote at the moment, but this is precisely the demographic that has born the full brunt of multiculturalism. It hasn’t been the Tory heartland of leafy Surrey market towns, or pretty villages in the Cotswolds.

But the effects of multiculturalism are not going to be nicely contained in places like Bradford, Luton and Burnley. Think what the authorities have done to a nice market town like Peterborough.

Even if you’re lucky enough not to have thousands of Somalis or Afghans dumped onto your town over night, white flight will mean lots of outsiders moving into your neck of the woods. Places like Shrewsbury and the Welsh Marches are likely for example to see an influx of white working class people fleeing the increasingly Islamic shitholes of the midlands.

Sooner or later, the chattering classes are going to come into contact with the reality of enrichment, and I guarantee they won’t like it one little bit.

Many will flee abroad of course, bad mouthing Britain and ordinary Britons all the way to the airport, oblivious to their own part in creating the whole sorry mess.

When the ideology fails, always blame the ordinary people.

Fausty said...

Anonymouse at 14:06

That is precisely my point (see my blog).

Many BNP supporters have been tarred with the "racist" brush (a term intended to imply "racialist"), when it is more likely the case that most of the BNP's most recent supporters just want to protect their culture, religion and way of life, which have come under severe attack due to Labour's policies.

Labour has undermined its core voters and is therefore responsible for the rise in the BNP's membership.

So are the Tories, because they fail to take a firm line on all the issues which many ex-Labour supporters and potential Tory voters care about - excessive immigration, unconvincing stance on the EU/Lisbon treaty and the protection of the English culture.

They all refuse to tackle the English question head on. This p*sses of a lot of people - not just BNP supporters (of which I am not one).

Phil Free said...

Anonymous The BBC brainwashing program is a complete success! said...

"Blogger Phil Free said...

Good post, OH. Agree entirely.

Utterly despise the BNP, and how they infect people. But, I think, give the cockholsters enough rope...."


What blogger Phil free actually said was that he does not understand demographics, that he has been brainwashed by the BBC and that he is looking forward to sharia law.

Take your head out of the sand Phil! or is it your arse?

Yeah, big brave "anonymous" neo-nazi. Scary as fuck you are. Please send your contact details to philfree@rocketmail.com and i'll be in touch.

Ian said...

could you elaborate..... and what do you suggest as an alternative??

What to race riots, civil disorder and blood on the streets? Well probably but I dont think that would particularly interest the NG, would it.

After all the worse things get, the larger his demographic grows and lets be honest thats the point isnt it?

Anonymous said...

"libertyscott said...
Anonymous: I'm no Thatcherite, she was no libertarian, she did a fraction of the job and went backwards in a few areas."

A)yeah nothing like taking milk from infants - probably made your day! and selling of the countries utility assettes so the public could be screwed by the `private` sector in a captive market!

"The BNP is protectionist, wants to subsidise what it likes, wants to nationalise industries"

A) Yes the BNP is protectionist to some small degree and I agree with that in certain cases - especially if we want to build up a working class manufaturing base and develope lost skills and industries and developing new ones - it's called investment and self sufficiency (helps protect you to some degree from a global collapse!), it is what could keep you from competing in the rush to the bottom for a bowl of rice a day in the global maket! it seems not such a bad thing if done in a limited way that is a benefit on the whole to the majority, however your complaint is non specific and just dogmatic claptrap - explain what part of these policies specifically are bad and why?

"and believes in pouring money into state education (always a goal of tyrants across the spectrum)"

A) The word you are looking for here is `investing` in our young rather than importing cheap skilled and unskilled Labour and then wondering why the youth have no respect or ambition as they know they are on the scrapheap before they even start school!

and you ex Tory twats wonder why we have growing social problems!

Why not give the more talented working class students a chance to make something of themselfs and compete with the tory boys and Glibs with a quality education?

Or is your solution - No education or shit education for the poor - like Labours and the Tory comprehensives! big hit that has turned out to be!


"It believes in very big government,"

Well a smaller goverment than the tories or labour want under the EU, or do you think the unpopular glibs will come marching to the rescue in your la la land, just how long do you think we have before the EU wrap up our democracy?
At least the BNP unlike the Glibs are making a start!
The BNP also believe in referendums on major issues - so the people get to decide critical issues which effect them - small goverment!
let the people decide! - got a problem with that also?

Anonymous said...

"just doesn't like people with a different colour of skin,"

A) you should tell that to the thousands of groups aimed at non whites only, or perhaps the largest group of people in this country who face racial attacks - guess which group?
or perhaps the people who have been driven from their home towns that are now no go areas for them!

"all of the senior BNP people have had neo-Nazi links."

A) Really! by links do you mean - once met a man, who knew a man, who knew a friend, who had a dog, who was a neo Nazi? and by `all` senior, I presume you mean `all`.
direct evidense of `all` if you don't mind, starting with Simon Darby - deputy leader, Lee Barns - legal adviser, then Martin wingfield and Andrew Brons if you don't mind. seeing as it is `all`.
and when you say `neo nazi` I presume you mean Hitler sulutes and uniforms right? yes, the odd clot but certainly not `all`.
In fact nick is at pains to get rid of them refering to them as Nutzis. You do know the BNP have a Jewish councilor and Jews are free to join the party, right?

"Few BNP supporters know the BNP Constitution gives Nick Griffin absolute unfettered control over party finances. Fascists often like deferring to a single leader."

A) Oh dear, looks like youve been over at the UAF(unite against freedom)/searchlies loony left site!

The accounts are handled by the eletoral commission who ensure no funny business takes place, Griffin took home approx £500 a week, now he is an MEP he no longer draws the party salery and yes he actually is the party leader - well done! he was elected leader and he has been challenged and he won, he can be challenged and disposed off at any time in a democratic manner voted on by ALL members. Much in the way he became leader. The partys key members and activists democratically vote on key policies. I think your now starting to look a bit silly!



"Griffin once courted the Ayatollah Khomeini in the 1980s because he was anti-Israel - funny how times change. He's an opportunist and Islamist scum and appeasement by others towards them have granted him that opportunity."

A) He was part of a NF group that apparently visited, not sure what his intentions were, though perhaps not as bad as supplying Saddam with gas to kill kurds as the Tories did!

"You trust Nick Griffin at your peril, he could decide one day to bugger off to another country and retire with the proceeds of the BNP's bank account, and none of the knuckle draggers would have a clue what to do."

A) I trust no-one but I know one thing, Griffin hasn't sold us out to a group of undemocratic international bankers and their stooges and restricted our freedoms or started several illegal wars, it's a good atart!

"Labour attacks business when it doesn't support it,"

A) It's called politics, dave will be the same! has nothing to do with left or right!

"it is waging war on bankers at the moment for populist reasons, when it used to suck up to them."

A) It is creating a smokescreen, a red herring so the public blame the bankers and don't look to the international bankers who control the EU, the Federal reserve and our politicians. it's a game of spin, their banker friends are not going to suffer one bit.
Dave will do the same - it is not left or right!
The international bankers demanded that the regulations of the UK and US be relaxed so precisely this would happen and that there would be a collapse, after the collapse the goverments sell of the rest of the countries assetts at rock bottom prices to their corporate buddies and then we take out a huge loan with interest with the private international banks, we are slaves to the loan shark interest for generations - in short they own us!

Anonymous said...

"It is fundamentally corrupt, but has courted votes of low income migrants by granting them access to the welfare state, and signing up to the racist jibes when anyone questions immigration and welfare"

A) Oh dear, now you have lost the plot! Immigration has been comparitively low for many decades, up until the time when NWO/EUSSR Bilderbugger placement Phoney got in, then they kicked the doors down.

The reason was to undermine the identity of the nation as the NWO/EU decided it was a fantastic method of destroying all sense of national identity, while also providing cheap labour for their corporate doners and controlers and at the same time boost the labour vote as Labour could pander to their every whim, the only problem was that people who lived in the areas where they were imported could see the negative effects -such as facing racism and being driven out of their homes, but at the start this was isolated areas and not a huge national issue.

Labour could see that the unrest was comming so hatched the master plan with their bosses to make sure everyone who said anything would be fearfull of losing their liberty so in comes more race laws to silence the majority and use the word racist in much the same way the Nazis used the word Jooos to demonise a group.

"Labour has long sought to breed dependency among the working classes, and maintained power because of Tory incompetence"

A) dependancy yes, it is a trap the working class are deliberately held captive, same for work credits, This is why state education is deliberately so bad and is more bent on PC indoctrination that lerning anything of use. though we partly can thank Thatcher for this as much of that was a result of our industries being destroyed by thatcher without a care for the consiquences. labour took the ball and run with it.

Besides labour were replacing these people and needed to keep them quiet! Once replaced they will be thrown to the wolfs.



"flooding the economy with fiat money to boost housing prices, keeping middle classes happy. That has imploded, Brown can't hide his incompetence."

A)Incompetant? Nah, he did as he was told and will go and get his golden handshake just like phoney for helping to disposess the people of this island of their homeland, their democracy and their money - welcome to the NWO.

"What's sad is that what's coming is not that much better."

A) It's far worse, these are the last days of democracy and freedom, once the treaty is ratified they rule us - total - complete.

Red lines, clauses etc - not worth the paper they are written on, ALL can be over ruled at anytime by the unelected.

and then we have more wars and conscrpition coming, starting with the kids!

remember this is a `world` order - they want it all!

defender said...

Kicking off at thhe BBC, Uaf, Daves mob getting frothy

libertyscott said...

Anonymous: Government snatches enough from me every single day for me to know what being robbed feels like. 2 days a week working to pay income tax, add another day for all other taxes.

You're a protectionist, demonstrating economic illiteracy, like the BNP. Banning imports is immoral, it puts up prices for consumers at a cost well beyond the jobs "protected". The more open an economy is, the more prosperous it becomes. The differences between east and west germany, south and north Korea, and China before and after opening up speak volumes.

State control of education is state brainwashing, time to give students vouchers and make all education private, let schools deliver what parents want - not what others think is good for them.

If you think the BNP leadership isn't sympathetic to fascism you're wilfully blind.

Referendums are all very well if you think you should count heads, not what's in them.

Democracy is often two wolfs and a sheep voting for what's for dinner. You don't get small government from democracy alone.

I've never supported any race based initiatives in government, and want all real crime treated as crime, not thought crimes. It's what libertarians believe in.

Given you believe in international banking conspiracies, and NWO it kind of says it all - keep taking the pills. You give too much credence to large groups of people being able to manage anything so complex, it's laughable. Governments stuff up so many projects, and can barely co-ordinate internationally, I find those claims hilarious.

Oh and I've never voted Tory in my life, I wasn't even born in the UK, but I've paid more taxes in the UK than many who have.

I want less government, BNP clearly wants more, so it is the enemy as much as the other main parties.

Anonymous said...

"libertyscott said...
Anonymous: Government snatches enough from me every single day for me to know what being robbed feels like. 2 days a week working to pay income tax, add another day for all other taxes."

A) Do you think you are the only one?
How much goes to the EU? how much goes to the illegal wars? how much goes on red tape? How much on PC? how much do you think will go to the international bankers and their world domination fund? How much to foriegn bribes and backhanders - i mean `aid?`

most of which the BNP would cut out in a second, dropping your taxes considerably!


"You're a protectionist, demonstrating economic illiteracy, like the BNP. Banning imports is immoral, it puts up prices for consumers at a cost well beyond the jobs "protected"

A) actually I am not the greatest fan of such actions and would look for alternatives unless the cost WAS greater by not using it. But I am a great fan of self sufficiency, which helps to protect you from market fluctuations to some degree and generate wealth and a higher standard of living indeprendant to some degree from the outside. only an economic illiterate would not see this.
you also show your ignorance by ignoring the fact that many countries already subsidise certain industries so there is `not` always a level playing field or an open market and their NEVER is. wages is part of the market as is workers rights - So I can see that some protectionist practises `might` work in certain industries, but unlike you I am not blinkered by dogma.

Anonymous said...

"The more open an economy is, the more prosperous it becomes. The differences between east and west germany, south and north Korea, and China before and after opening up speak volumes."

Simplistic Bullshit, we are not talking about radical communism that does not reward achievement

Building and buying all our own police cars, ambulances and military equiptment for instance where we have allowed it to perish and now we are charged ever more by companies buying out the competition and asset stripping them, with not a thought for the communities destroyed by such actions - those long term costs are horific. with ever less industry and a whole generation with no skills, Job or or job security in the flip flopping race to the bottom asset stripping corporate global market that has no interests in it's people, or competition but backroom deals with corrupt politicians.

and especially now as democracy is being stripped from us.

The BNP also propose the workers have a share in the profits and eventually take it over if any such programs `were` bought in, that is not communism, that is capitalism with a helping hand to revive certain industries with a certain expectation of standard of living, this sounds worthwhile, especially when accomponied with a top quaility world class training and education system. after which little state intervention would be needed anyway, as long as cartels and asset strippers were kept at bay where reasonable and in the national interest.

What happens in the open market is often outsiders buy up all the assets and tech and ship it out to somewhere where they can produce the same thing by giving their workers a disgusting standard of living and we end up as i said in a race to the bottom. another practise is buying up the competition, in industries that took decades to build, often with goverment aid and investment up to the point where they will now be stripped down and sold off. This i have already stated, many people in China etc are no better off than they were before. yes some have prospered but many have not.

under reported riots in china on a regular basis.

Have we prospered - whole communities totally destroyed and and left with an education system that leaves them in the gutter?

Cheaper items for some and the total destruction of industries for others. meaning higher unemployment and lower wages - meaning higher taxes regardless, on top of the costs of the EU and it's red tape and third world aid programs and other such non investment drains.

But the key issue is the BNP would invest in industry, from training to cutting red tape and protecting comunities and industries, when needed if practical and self sufficiency where possible, including farming and fishing that has had its guts deliberately ripped out by the EU to make us ever more dependant.

Anonymous said...

"State control of education is state brainwashing, time to give students vouchers and make all education private, let schools deliver what parents want - not what others think is good for them."

A) You dont get this liberty, private enterprise thing do you? so the schools are private and you get vouchers, where is the difference? how does this benefit anyone?

Who decides on the value of the voucher, would a goverment not interested in investment in it's people and their standard of living which prefers to import people in their global race to the bottom not simply give minimum vouchers that the schools struggle on? while sending their children to more exclusive schools!
would you not still have to pay taxes for said vouchers? that is state schooling whatever way you look at it! and who is to say the goverment - any goverment including the libertarians would not interfere in the schools and what they teach?

Grammer schools is the way forward, it is proven to be the case. It gives the best education to the most gifted, you invest the most in those that will get the most out of it, based on abilty, this also encourages gifted people to excell, a glut of gifted people rising to the very top can only help the overal prosperity of the country.

"If you think the BNP leadership isn't sympathetic to fascism you're wilfully blind."

A) Really? where is the evidence other than in your paranoid brainwashed mind?

"Referendums are all very well if you think you should count heads, not what's in them."

A) Yes thats what Labour say on the Lisbon treaty, i think you need a mirror and you will find a fascist!

"Democracy is often two wolfs and a sheep voting for what's for dinner. You don't get small government from democracy alone."

A) well that depends if you have a true functioning demacracy with methods to defend it and keep it open and safe where possible. the American constitution served quite well for a while.

Anonymous said...

"Given you believe in international banking conspiracies, and NWO it kind of says it all - keep taking the pills. You give too much credence to large groups of people being able to manage anything so complex, it's laughable. Governments stuff up so many projects, and can barely co-ordinate internationally, I find those claims hilarious."

A) Is that right?

watch this moron -

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8484911570371055528#

Then explain to me how and why our politicians are selling us out to the EUSSR, which is headed by buildreberg and trilateral stooges and no one says anything about it. why our democracy is being wrapped up and why the media largely support it, why Heath statrted the ball rolling in Europe and later admitted it was a subversive plot to undermine our nation.
why trilateral stooge mandy is one of the most powerful unelected people in the UK. Why the bankers have themselfs put on record their conspiracy and plans.
why Gordon brown and Bush snr loved to shout NWO at every opportunity. why the USA, the UK and Austrailia are talking about a youth army bigger than the national army! why the global warming hoax is given so much creadence when it is just another NWO structure of tax and control.
why we went into two major illegal wars to control oil and the petrodollar, wars that the public were dead against.

I could go on for days on this issue and supply you with all the facts, member lists, conections, quotes etc but twats like you don't need facts or reason - enjoy your ignorance.

"Oh and I've never voted Tory in my life, I wasn't even born in the UK, but I've paid more taxes in the UK than many who have."

A) poor you,
dreaming about the glibs is not going to get you very far seeing as the public have no idea who you are and if they did they would reject you faster than you can say Thatcher was one of the most hated politicians of all time.

I already explained how the BNP could drastically reduce your taxes but nope, they are not for you. This is the current only real opposition along with perhaps the UKIP party. you can live in the make believe glib world or the real world - your choice.


"I want less government, BNP clearly wants more, so it is the enemy as much as the other main parties."

A)Your not listening!

Anonymous said...

But all in all it is just oppinion, I certainly don't believe in everything about the BNP but I do know the contrived hysteria against then is there for a reason. once you start to question why, you soon realise that all the other parties are leading us strait to heel or are not going to make it in time.

at least the BNP may give the establishment a bloody nose as they sell us into corporate slavery.

Other than that I wish you well in your choices.

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