Wednesday, 23 September 2009

Helping The Police With Their Enquiries

The Secretary of the Scottish Libertarians has contacted Prestwick Airport.

I called Prestwick Airport who were unable to comment as the woman I spoke with had no knowledge of the event. She kindly passed me the immigration number (interesting, I thought, when this should not be relevant) to contact. Upon speaking with immigration I was advised the standard blurb that passports are used by airlines as a form of I.D. I replied with the details found, omitting whom the parties in question were but noting that I may be traveling and was curious. The gentleman replied that perhaps this was due to the other powers of stop and question as the police may have been looking for someone. My reply seemed to dumb-found him as I noted that these people were in point of fact M.P.s He provided me with the Strathclyde police number 01292 511 234 having first noted providing me with a switchboard number. I asked if this would be for the same Strathclyde police that operate out of the airport but he seemed less forthright at that point.

As the immigration official agrees, there is no other reason for such action I would be curious as to why the parties in question submitted to it without question.



"Whats the Laland or Gaelic for Ausweiss Bitte. "

No idea about Lallans but Gaelic would go something along the lines of "Càirt-siubhail, mas e do thoil e."


So why are our brave Parliamentarians submitting to the Police again ?

Emails from LPUK sent to Alan Johnson MP Home Secretary, UKBC and StrathClyde Police asking for an explanation





UPDATE

I have just had a stroppy inspector on from Strathcyde in response to our email *

Whats the problem with showing your passports

I know nothing about this

Are you upset because you are English

I'm not scared of politicians

There must have been a security operation on

They would have been asked professionally and politely

What is the Law on showing your ID to the Polis when asked then ?

If you have got a broken window I can help

You are better off contacting Pitt Street Glasgow, because I can't help you

* My notes when I managed to get word in edgewise


They are out of control

Meanwhile the thought Police have been busy

OH Update: Private Eye can contact us at oldhoborn@gmail.com


"21.12.08
Prestwick Airport has told police it is being charged too much for security and is locked in a bitter dispute over the fees, the Scotsman reports. All other major Scottish airports have now signed deals with police, but low-cost Prestwick remains in dispute. The airport is challenging Strathclyde Police over the cost of extra officers and patrols in the wake of the Glasgow attacks.
According to the newspaper, the rift between the two sides is so deep the matter has been referred to the Department for Transport's security wing, Transec, for mediation. However, it adds that the row relates to as few as two extra officers and staffing and other costs in the region of £100,000.

A spokesman for Prestwick Airport told the Scotsman: ‘There are ongoing discussions between the airport and Strathclyde Police with a view to updating the terms of the current agreement and policing arrangements going forward.’ A spokeswoman for Strathclyde Police said: ‘This matter is ongoing and has been the subject of recent dialogue with the airport operators and Transec.’"

http://www.uk-airport-news.info/prestwick-airport-news-211208.htm

Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000 has been mentioned....this may have some provisions for "examining persons" at airports but there's a whole raft of guidance on how this is to be conducted.

26 comments:

Rab C. Nesbitt said...

Local MP, Brian Donohue (Labour)

Email address:

House of Commons: Donohoeb@parliament.uk

Websites:

Home Page: Brian Donohoe: Constituency

Telephone numbers:

House of Commons Phone number: 020 7219 6230
House of Commons Fax number: 020 7219 5388
Constituency Phone number: 01294 276844
Constituency Fax number: 01294 313463

Addresses:

Constituency
17 Townhead
Irvine
Strathclyde KA12 0BL

Rab C. Nesbitt said...

Local MSP -

John Scott MSP
The Scottish Parliament
Edinburgh
EH99 1SP

Telephone: 0131 348 5664
Fax: 0131 348 5617

E-mail: John.Scott.msp@scottish.parliament.uk

Old Holborn said...

http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/faqs.php?sect=pid&quest=photoid

beagleslovefags said...

"Whats the Laland or Gaelic for Ausweiss Bitte. "

usually something along the lines of
"Oi, Cunto! Yurpaperz!

Dr Evadne said...

A number of airlines are asking for photo ID at check-in. Also before you board the plane, some numpty with an IQ of 4 asks to see your ID again. They look at the photo but not at you so what is that all about? Anyway there seems to be no valid excuse for the police having a nose once you have got off the plane in the UK (I am assuming that Prestwick is still in the UK?). What were the police looking for? Dodgy passports, escaped convicts, something to do?
UK airports are becoming places of intimidation and where the unsuspecting traveller is relieved of his or her personal possesions, cash, footwear, expensive toiletries and duty free goods. Why is it that you can travel on a train from one end of the country to the other without having to put up with all this crap and yet if you attempt to board a plane to fly from Luton to Inverness you are treated like Ulrica Meinhoff or Carlos the Jackal?

Michael Flynn said...

This is becoming all two common. They justify it under schedule 7 of the terrorism act 2000 which they claim gives them powers to request on demand identification at UK airports and ports. In fact they simply ask for ‘passports’ not other identification (which is the only power they have).

I have business in Ireland and because I live in Cheshire I tend to travel by ferry through Holyhead, sometimes twice a week in each direction. I have watched as the North Wales police and the Boarder Agency have put in place all the paraphernalia of a boarder control over the past couple of years despite the existence of the historic Common travel Area between the UK and Ireland and twice failing to get powers to do in the Immigration and Nationalities Bill through the Lords (for some reason the thought of having to sow your passport to travel between the Island of Ireland and the UK mainland makes the Ulster Unionists go s strange shade of puce and start to froth at the mouth)

After reading the Terrorism Act I decided last January I would challenge the law and refused to show my passport or provide them with any other information telling them it was none of their business and an abuse of their powers. I was duly arrested and charged as a terrorist!
I instructed council and after extensive delays the CPS anti terrorist department finally and annoyingly dropped the case yesterday. I and my lawyers both think that after reading our skeleton argument they realised that I would probably win (my barrister reckoned 60/40) and that if I did it would have brought to a stop all the nasty little ‘internal control’ points that they have set up around the country.

I’m not sure what I’ll do next, probably I should judicially review them but that could cost in the 100s of thousands if I were to loose and that may be a risk too far. I might just continue to go backwards and forwards through Holyhead and reuse to co-operate with them and see if I can tempt into prosecuting me again!

Mike

The Paragnostic said...

Mike, I used to get stopped by Special Branch every time I flew to Ireland for work - this was back in the good old days before Neues Arbeit took over.

I even got to know one of the officers quite well - turns out it was my beard that made me look suspicious.

Idiots

Old Holborn said...

Join me on November 5th

Enough is enough

Joe Public said...

They were just looking for a certain (local) Baroness

sixtypoundsaweekcleaner said...

I'm already treated like a dog in England. God knows how I'd be treated if I tried to go somewhere decidedly dodgy and foreign (like Scotland). Heaven help me. Do I apply for my free phone call and a solicitor now?

Jess The Dog said...

Something to do with this?

"21.12.08
Prestwick Airport has told police it is being charged too much for security and is locked in a bitter dispute over the fees, the Scotsman reports. All other major Scottish airports have now signed deals with police, but low-cost Prestwick remains in dispute. The airport is challenging Strathclyde Police over the cost of extra officers and patrols in the wake of the Glasgow attacks.
According to the newspaper, the rift between the two sides is so deep the matter has been referred to the Department for Transport's security wing, Transec, for mediation. However, it adds that the row relates to as few as two extra officers and staffing and other costs in the region of £100,000.

A spokesman for Prestwick Airport told the Scotsman: ‘There are ongoing discussions between the airport and Strathclyde Police with a view to updating the terms of the current agreement and policing arrangements going forward.’ A spokeswoman for Strathclyde Police said: ‘This matter is ongoing and has been the subject of recent dialogue with the airport operators and Transec.’"

http://www.uk-airport-news.info/prestwick-airport-news-211208.htm

Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000 has been mentioned....this may have some provisions for "examining persons" at airports but there's a whole raft of guidance on how this is to be conducted.

http://www.statewatch.org/news/2007/jun/uk-entry-exit-search-code-of-practice-consult-2007.pdf

Old Holborn said...

VERY interesting Jess. Thank you

allys said...

A quick question from an uninformed member of the public - would Prestwick be required to have the Police (and pay them) on site?

I note that in the pdf mentioned above, page 2 states

"The Code has been redrafted in consultation with practitioners and will be subject to a period of consultation during which we invite comments from any organisations, groups or individuals who may have an interest in this matter."

I can guess that we the little people, mere members of the public, would not be classed as having an interest in this matter.

Rogerborg said...

Bloody good show, Mr Flynn. If I had £100K to fund your fight, I'd gladly hand it over. Unfortunately I work for a living and can't just expense it. Do you happen to know any ministers?

Anonymous said...

This evening I received an email from Nick Clegg (well, probably from the people who manage his email) about 'Changing Britain for Good' & whe want to be Prime Minister. Ever since he reneged on his promise over the EU Referendum I have considered Nick Clegg to be a liar & a traitor & certainly not voteworthy. The email was addressed to 'supporters' so I replied to all stating my opinion on his actions over the Referendum & how i would not vote Lib Dem because of this. So, hopefully, a slew of Lib Dem supporters will now be receiving a layman's unvarnished view of Nick Clegg.

William Gruff said...

Englishmen and women who demean themselves by visiting the subsidy dependent shithole that is Sc*tland deserve all they get and I have no sympathy for them.

scunnert said...

I flew into Prestwick from Detroit eleven years ago - no passport control - no customs control - no nothing. Got off the plane - walked out of the airport - got on a train - no problem.

Now to cross the border into Detroit I have to submit to fingerprinting and to get back into Canada I have to have a biometric ID Card. If I return to the UK I have to submit to stop and search and internal passport control.

Dr Evadne asks:

"Why is it that you can travel on a train from one end of the country to the other without having to put up with all this crap ...".

My understanding is that this level of surveillance and control is to be extended to rail travel and ferries in the UK as well. Here in Canada you now have to book a train ticket with ID showing name and address - tickets not transferable.

Is something going on do you think?

scunnert said...

"Now passengers need ID to travel within Britain

18 November 2007

Source: Thisislondon.co.uk

Passengers on domestic flights and ferries between mainland Britain and Northern Ireland will be required to carry identity papers for the first time from next year.

The move will effectively establish a highly controversial internal border within the UK and could pave the way for identity checks on all domestic flights and ferries in Britain.

Once operational, the system will allow the police to build up a complete picture of passenger movements between Ulster and the mainland.

And it will enable them to carry out background checks to identify suspected criminals and potential terrorists.

The move comes as police and security services are pushing for wider access to information on passenger movements within Britain, whether by air, sea or national rail and coach networks."

http://tinyurl.com/mg72mq

FireForce said...

Prestwick Airport has told police it is being charged too much for security,,,,
It is time the law was changed in this country in that private firms can take over the airport security.
As someone who in a past life who did close quarter armed security, (body guarded a former prime minister) We proper guards could do the job cheaper and much, much better!
Plod and guns do not mix, seeing these officious flat-feet plod round the airports with guns that are unsuitable frightens me, and the attitude they take is becoming so distasteful!
TIME FOR A CHANGE

Anonymous said...

Papieren bitte!

I use my driving licence for internal flights, so I don't have my passport and if I get asked for it, I'll just say I'm not driving and therefore have no reason to show my driving licence.

It'll be interesting to see what happens.

Fred said...

As scunnert shows, they are progressing to monitoring all forms of travel, everywhere. In a few years we will understand how they felt in the USSR, with their internal passports (producible on demand) and the need to be granted permission to live where you want to live.

If only "they" can engineer a crisis that justifies activating the Civil Contingencies Act, then all those powers have already been granted to ministers by the 646 supine incompetents.

John Steed said...

This tends to happen at larger airports. East Midland & Cardiff have little or no police security.

Anonimong said...

John Steed.

You are a retarded cunt-have you ever been to Prestwick.Heathrow it aint.

Rab C. Nesbitt said...

Prestwick is not a busy airport. It is, however, used by the US air force a lot.

It is a strategically important airport as it has a huge runway and is almost guaranteed to be fog free.

Jess The Dog said...

PSNI were not checking documents at Aldergove (Belfast International) when I passed through last week.

Better things to do...."real" terrorists rather than idiots with gas cylinders.

Anonymous said...

As usual K McEgan alias John Steed Ron Broxted Wesley Groves show what a total cunt he is. He never travels outside the emerald shithole as he is wanted for unsavoury offences which would stop him getting a job as father christmas anywhere other than Thailand.

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