'Choice' is a dirty word to the righteous scum bags.Here's hoping we get at least the Spanish version. Much more sensible.
But it what everyone wants isn’t it (those who vote LibLabCon)? Turn them all into Mosques once closed. Bit by bit they are fucking us right up the arse every day and we gladly take it saying please Gordon, do it to me again and harder. Bollocks to them all, we are fucked good and proper and it’s too late to change it. Well in my lifetime it is
The cost of booze is more of a problem rather that the smoking ban.
Bet that if the campaign is succesful, a minimum price per unit of alcohol law is rushed through.They're talking about it up here already, daft cunts.
Smoking or not smoking really should be down to the patrons of an individual establishment. It's called democracy.
Woops, got it wrong above. But now i'm not sure! Can they or can they not smoke in the Palace of Westminster because of a 'special' dispensation they granted them-stinking-selves?example on youtube
As far as I am aware, troughing bastards are allowed to smoke in the commons bar.'Cos the rules only apply to us plebs.
Seems to me there are too many pubs and not enough drinkers.The only solutions being to close pubs or increase drinkers.Satan will be skating to work before the government encourages more drinking or lowers alcohol tax so pubs will have to close until demand is matched.Or is it impossible to hold a pint without a cigarette in the other hand to counterbalance it?
Westminster is a Palace so exempt from law. MPs say they have a voluntary agreement, but if one were to smoke in his office or some such, it's not enforceable in law.The EU building has a smoking room, so does the UN building, and they had smoking 'lounges' at the G20 conference ... in London.But Fred Bloggs wanting a fag with his pint after an 8 hour day tarmac-ing roads, isn't allowed to choose. Nor can the publican choose to let him do so on his own property. Even if both smoke and all the other customers do too.
Paul,I wonder if you could just fuck off? There's a good little cuntThanksOH
Paul, if there are too many pubs and not enough drinkers how come alcohol related diseases and alcoholism in this country has vastly increased? That would seem to suggest there are far more drinkers than there ever where - certainly I remember the days when women did not frequent pubs or get drunk as they do now - which would all seem to suggest a vast increase in custom for pubs, and yet pubs are dissapearing (3 down my nearest A road in 3 mile radius now boarded up in last 6 months)The smoking ban and the tax on alcohol is what is killing pubs, where the same measure of alcohol can cost 5 or 6 times as much as the supermarketThis is deliberate It is an attempt to tarmac the national culture over and replace it with an EU certified one Pubs (The Waterloo, Kings Head, Tuks Head, Red Lion, Queen Victoria etc) don't fit
How's the thumb OH? I bet it's gowpin' like a bastard.
I am trying to remember what being a Libertarian is. I think it goes along the lines of:Every person should be allowed to do whatever they want, as long as it doesn't impinge on the right of their neighbour to do exactly what he wants.Have I got this right?
Hairy Arsed Bloke - you've got to be a memeber of CAMRA (who deny or choose to ignore the fact that the smoking ban is crippling pubs) and I claim my £5.
I thankfully live abroad where service is still not a dirty word when ordering drinks or food. We went to the UK last year and every time I go back besides the numbers of mosques that have been built an equal number of pubs seem to have been closed, good. CCTV cameras in every room, all rooms have got to be visible from the bar area why? in case anyone is seen to be enjoying themselves, managers instead of landlords with targets to be met.When you can get it after 2PM lousy expensive reheated food delivered daily by Brake brothers served with a scowl.Surly staff who will serve you directly they have finished their converstaion about last nights soap opera and get pissed off when I ask if I have called at a bad time as I would like a drink sometime today please.The closure of local breweries and in the 70's the almost death of proper beer when keg beer was being foisted on us.Where I live kids are taken to restaurants from an early age and behave so saying last week we were in one and had the unfortunate experience to be there when some horrible brits were there with their even worse kids running around shouting and screaming while mummy and daddy and fuck knows who else sat on their fat arses smiling at the brats another reason people don't go to pubs. Family friendly? What is that? sort of "family fun day" bouncy castle and underdone beefburgers. With any luck the next time I return to Brianistan all the rest of these dumps will have closed with no sympathy from me.
Spot on Anon 21.50Sums it up doesn’t it? A nation of selfish “fuck everyone else” moron’s with about as much decency as a cabinet MP. Fat tattooed pierced whores of women, mostly on benefits with out of control kids who all have different absent fathers, bleeding us dry, all flicking themselves off to Trisha or Jerry Springer each day and getting off on reality TV crap like big brother, with their cheap booze and fag’s. Their grunting men folk, barely able to string together a coherent sentence. On the other end of the scale its “Islam” and the loony PC brigade helping them to ethnically cleanse the rest of us unwanted brit’s, who are foolishly working our bollocks off to pay for them who are also being watched constantly by Gordon’s CCTV Stasi, fined every day by fixed penalties for the most minor of things and told to like it by that flatulent fudge fucker Mandlewank. We are well and truly fucked people. Light up in the pub if you like, I don’t smoke or mind you doing so. Don’t insure or register your car, drive it where you like and as fast as you like. If it’s good enough for Immigrants, its good enough for me. Fuck everyone else and if some jumped up little twat complains about it, hopefully enough of us decent downtrodden folk left over will jump up and down on their heads until they are dead. Failing that, the rest of us troubled souls could always collectively slash our wrists and do them all a favour by letting them all get on with it?
Thankfully recently I've seen a couple of pubs nearby now banning kids from inside the premises unless eating. For too long I visited pubs to find school kids (still in uniform) eating crisps and watching cartoons whilst the fat drunken parents play pool or buy drugs nearby.The problem of the smoking ban is certainly part of the issue but poor management and lousy staff as well as crap beer has taken its toll as well.
I have not been into a British pub since the smoking ban.Give yourself a round of applause all you smoke free zealots, you have destroyed British working class culture. Now fuck off to the pubs that you said would be full and sniff each others farts you utter cunts.
OHI wonder if you could write something less resembling verbal vomit every once in a while.Theres a good little vulva.ThanksPaulPS. Trying to lay the blame on pubs closing solely on smoking is ignoring a huge raft of other equally valid reasons. Eg. people are buying their alcohol for less elsewhere because pubs are a luxury in todays economy.
Paul, better talk to ASH then. Even they say that the ban has closed 50%-80% of pubs. The economy was fine in July 2007, when the pub carnage began, it was more than a year later that the recession started to bite. And I certainly don't remember huge pub closures in 1983 or 1991. You?
On second thoughts youre probably right. The non smokers trickled away over the years to get away from the smoke. Then the smokers got thrown out en masse, but the non smokers never came back because its cheaper not to.It may surprise you to know that I am against the ban.
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