Sunday, 12 July 2009

Free Speech For Brummies- Not In This Country

65 comments:

Rab C. Nesbitt said...

Good old police state Britain.

We need more like him.

Oldrightie said...

This is so creepy. Gestapo here we come.

Anonymous said...

HI MUM!

Anonymous said...

UK and its unwritten constitution....tut tut

The Economic Voice said...

!!!!sorry that film was the last straw...I will be doing something very similar myself over the next few weeks....
They Arrested him? why?....Sorry I want to punch someone fucking hard and get punched back just to feel alive for one second and get rid of my pent up frustration after seeing a country that should be a shinning example to the world turn into a fascist police state...


I really am very angry....I need blood.

Guthrum said...

EV

No chance we can get you to support LPUK ?

The Economic Voice said...

I don't know enough about them to put my name to it.....let me do some research Guthrum. brb

George said...

I wish I had the balls to do that, it just makes my belief in LPUK even more concrete.

The Economic Voice said...

@Guthrum
Why cant I get on their site? its blocked.

The Angry Mage said...

If he had been a muslim inciting people to behead british soldiers then the police would have done nothing. Whoops im not allowed to say that am i?

Chris said...

Some twerp with a loudhailer is stopped for causing a public nuisance.
Doesn't go about his business, or even have the decency to listen, when the police ask him to stop, and instead gives it "yap yap yap" for the camera.
Gets collared.

"Yuv got no jurisdiction [...] Ar dun't undastand [...] It's a political agenda and you've abandoned the rule of law."

Behaviour liable to cause a breach of the peace. Idiot.

The Economic Voice said...

Another film by this guy....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfQrDK9YHas

Dazed and Confused said...

Every time that Iv ever spoken to Darren Pollard via his You Tube Channel he's been honest, straight forward, and has done exactly what he's promised at a later date.

For his pains, no other you tube channel has been sanctioned by an interfering British government more than his.
Could I please request that anybody who reads this, and has a You Tube account of their own, subscribe to his videos as New Labour are constantly thinking up new ways to close his videos down.

Thank-You.

George said...

@Chris

Perhaps he was going about his buisness, why should he have stopped, free speech and all that, I don't pretend to know anything about politics but I do know when my freedom is being gradually taken away from me and I am getting pretty fucking tired of it, and our only hope is civil disobediance..if only a few more of us had the bollocks to do it.

VotR said...

Any resistance is better than no resistance.

Anonymous said...

The Angry Mage said...

If he had been a muslim inciting people to behead british soldiers then the police would have done nothing. Whoops im not allowed to say that am i?

ooopsz

I have on u tube noless

Anonymous said...

I guess thats why we don't see serious politically motivated 'performance art' on our streets

mm thinking I might

Chris said...

@George. We don't have a legal assumption of free speech in this country; and we never have had. That's why Parliamentary Privilege and Speaker's Corner in Hyde Park are such a big deal.

We have hard-won freedoms of conscience, and of association, but our freedom of speech is - and always has been - constrained by the law of the land.

I'm sure Mr Pollard means well; but I'm not sure about his methods (which smack a little of the grandstanding student agitator), or his interpretation of the basis of law.

Rich B said...

"...we cannot accept that there can be a breach of the peace unless there has been an act done or threatened to be done which either actually harms a person, or in his presence his property, or is likely to cause such harm, which puts someone in fear if such harm being done."

So say the court of appeal. You might think he was grandastanding a bit, but where is the breach of the peace? Trouble is most coppers think it means whatever they want it to mean.

The Economic Voice said...

Guthrum I am intrigued by the Libertarian Party all looks very interesting....I take it you are a Libertarian yourself?

Anonymous said...

Suspect the coppers are technically right.. but ethically wrong. CPS will never prosecute, though, so the ethics will never be challenged in court.

At the end of the video, you hear the people saying that they will be back in a week, all carrying megaphones. Really heartening to hear. The police can't arrest them all. I hope this happens next week, and every week after that. I hope it spreads to every town and every city, until popular opinion is far outside official control.

Westerlyman said...

He is referring to Law of the Land as opposed to law of the sea or statute. see fmotl.com to know what he is talking about.

dickiebo said...

As an ex-cop, I would say that the breach of the peace was committed by - the police!

The Beast of Clerkenwell said...

Good man
I didnt notice any members of the public looking distressed.
Police as usual behaved like Hoons when a person(who pays their inflated wages) says NO
They can fuck right off the useless wankers

caesars wife said...

i think he got arrested for not immediately doing as plod told him and questioning there authority.

Amplification is covered , but as for the rest of it they could have just said "all right mate how long you here for , we would like to stop and respect the peace , you can inform us when you next come and we will ensure you can speak freely"

but it didnt go like that , did it i dont think plod made the best decison really, they just reacted .

Anonymous said...

If there isn't a law against amplifying a brummie accent, there certainly should be.

Anonymous said...

i'think I'll opt for the silent t -shirt slogan;

NO MORE AID TO THE THIRD WORLD

Hairy Arsed Bloke said...

Put names and addresses to those police ID numbers; out them and their families. They hide behind numbers and often they hide those vague identifiers. The police are collaborators and should face the consequences for their betrayal of the British people.

This evil regime has turned the army against them. However, the police are happy to go along with them. Soon the cunts will get a proper smacking.

Guthrum said...

EV

Why cant I get on their site? its blocked.

We moved it off shore where we could guarantee that it would not be taken down by this Government and their successor in Authoritarianism

Yes I am a Libertarian and LPUK member

Cheers Guthrim

Newgates Knocker said...

I have four daughters and I am actually starting to hope they do not have kids themselves. They will either live under sharia law or be unable to express any opinion that is not acceptable to the state. I am so pissed off because I don't know where to start fighting back!

The Economic Voice said...

@Guthrum

titaniccaptain@hotmail.co.uk

I have an idea.

Anonymous said...

These freemen are cranks of the highest order, they want to opt out of anything detrimental, like paying taxes, obeying laws, etc. but you can bet your last penny that if any of them was injured and the paramedics asked them their name they wouldn't say "I'm a freeman and do not recognis your private company or illegal statutory duty of care to me so please leave me alone, I have opted out of your society and am a freeman".

I believe that the police do go too far but people shouldn't be encouraged to believe in this freeman nonsense, go to tpuc site and read about the guy who's spent months behind bars and threatened with being sectioned over a tiny offence because he refuses to accept the jurisdiction of the courts over him, these people are dangerous to impressionable persons and can easily ruin lives.

Local vigilante said...

Surely,all intelligent,free thinking,liberal progressives,that have taken Britain forward to the No 1 choice of world blue sky thinkers,seeking the freedom of thought that we pioneered,must realise,than in order to maintain true democratic freedoms,Fascists and other assorted ne'er do wells and professional agitators,should only be allowed to spout their devisive and negative rhetoric,in a controlled and safe environment.
Why can't they apply to their local police station for permission to voice any concerns they may have about freedom, as any law abiding citizen would do?

Anonymous said...

Whilst I agree that if he was Muslim he would be treated with kid gloves, I still think he is a plonker because he was causing a nuisance by attracting a load of young people and getting them excitable which could have led to further disturbance.

I am appalled at the way this country is policed these days but this guy was just out to cause trouble.

This is more worrying http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/britain%E2%80%99s-police-force-being-destroyed-under-waves-of-mad-pc-nonsense/

Anonymous said...

Is this FOTM site new? Haven't seen it before.

Have had a good read through it - one of the biggest piles of tripe I have ever read on the internet.

Just awful - follow what it recommends at your peril. All, and I mean All of the statements on there are drivel. The person writing it really really doesn't have a clue - and by god it shows.

banned said...

I expected Darren to make a complete fool of himself but instead he comes over as a talented and brave man.
Anon 23:30 said
"I still think he is a plonker because he was causing a nuisance by attracting a load of young people and getting them excitable which could have led to further disturbance." Well it didn't did it ? And I thought we were all supposed to be concerned about Young People not being "engaged in politics and issues ". Darren certainly got some of them engaged so good for him.

PC On Yer Bike slipped out that Darren was being arrested for the crime of " NOT BEING COMPLIANT ", when did that reach the Statute Book ?
Except for immediate family anyone going to the Police Station to enquire about Darrens custody status would have been told that to so inform would be a breach of his Human Rights ( Privacy ) and the Data Protection Act.

Darren is still a twat though for taking his ten year old son who clerly became distressed.
Anyone know what did happen down the cop shop ?

Anonymous said...

If some guy was parading up and down my street with a loudspeaker or outside my office window when I'm trying to work I'd expect the police to come and have a word with him and tell him to move along without me having to phone in a complaint. If the guy refused and insisted on carrying on then I'd expect him to be warned and, as a last resort, arrested.

Seems to me like this is what happened. There is so much going wrong in this country just now that we can justifiably be furious about, the police arresting some guy for running around shouting into a loudspeaker isn't one of them. Stunts like this only draw attention away from real problems.

ranter said...

I agree with the previous comment by Anon 07.08. The martyr was clearly warned and it is an offence under different by laws and statues to use megaphones, loudspeakers in oublic places at certain times. He wasn't saying anything useful, it was all hysterical nonsense and he got himself nicked and upset his 10 year old kid. Plonker.

Now if it was someone making a point by reading out the names of the war dead in Whitehall - then I would and did get angry, just as I get angry when fanatical and clearly criminal muslim demonstartors flout every law on the Public Order list and NOTHING HAPPENS to them. This bloke is a twat.

Anonymous said...

If anyone knows the guy tell him to make a complaint against the police. He has the evidence.

Lancastrian Oik said...

Just grandstanding- what, exactly, does he "prove"? On the other hand, this is far more worrying. The lack of common sense, use of discretion and the over-weening use of arbitrary powers of arrest is terrifying.

The Purpleline said...

I hope all those who voted Labour are happy with themselves. What concerned me the most is they allowed a potential stranger to look after the man's son.

They should have at least provided the son with a ride to the Police station.


We now know where the Stasi came after the Berlin wall came down, most became coisultants to Nu Lbaour.

Balding Nobhead Party said...

Jesus Christ Blogger is shit. Why the is signing in such a fucking obstacle?

Anonymous said...

One of the cameramen was wearing a "911 was an inside job" T-shirt.
Even if they had a point,it's difficult to take them seroiusly.
Urban11

digger said...

summed it up when someone had top remind him his son was there.

muppet.

Chalcedon said...

If that was a breach of the peace then I must start speaking Dutch.

Richard said...

From what I understand, it was the use of the megaphone that was the offence - and as someone who like a bit of peace and quiet, I can't disagree with that. If they had arrested him for just speaking, that would be very different. I found it rather reassuring that the police dealt with him so sensibly - no violence, no intimidation, no taking names and photographs of his 'supporters'. There are many worrying things about the way this country is going, but this isn't one of them.

Anonymous said...

Basically INTOLERANCE and Prejudice towards anyone WHITE & BRITISH

thanks to the labour gov police state

Anonymous said...

was there a breach of the peace, or conduct likely to lead to a breach of the peace? i notice that strident hell-fire-and-brimstone street prechers with megaphones are left alone here in N. Ireland. there doesn't seem to be an offence of breach of the "peace and quiet" which seems to be the only issue in this case.

Maturecheese said...

This guy is clearly a bit of a knob and was actually stirring up trouble by getting a fair few young people wound up and excitable so I have no sympathy with him. He was not performing a legitimate protest and pretty much got what he deserved. if I was the public I would be more worried about this as far as policing goes.

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Winston Smith said...

http://www.magnacartaplus.org/briefings/nine_police_principles.htm#nine_principles

"7 Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence"

They are us.

And we are they.

When it is otherwise, do something.

Winston Smith

There is more to life than paying taxes

Anonymous said...

Ok a couple of points for what its worth.

Firstly the guy is in the grounds of B'ham Cathedral, its a nice green, open space filled to bursting with emo/goth/punk kids, who to be fair cause no problems. That said anyone thinking this guy is motivating the youth of today is misguided, they'd support a monkey with a microphone if they thought it was funny.

Secondly, he's a dick. There I said it. He broadcasting random crap loudly in a public place. What does he think is going to happen. If he had some clear point or aim I'd feel more sympathy but as it is he has no more moral authority than the drunks who rant and stumble and piss themselves (also found in the cathedral grounds).

Free speech is a hugely important issue, and the police have many questions to answer, but please, if this guy is held up as a model of freedom, we've already lost.

Brummie bum boy said...

Stupid Brummie tart. Lock the daft twat away and throw away the key.

Brummies are the most dense said...

I'd have more sympathy if the guy didn't sound so fucking stupid.

Stick that in your equal opportunities twat Harperson you stupid fucking bitch.

killemallletgodsortemout said...

Another DNA profile goes on the database.

Rab C. Nesbitt said...

It's clear to me by reading most of the comments that most just haven't a fucking clue what is happening in this country.

When you finally realise it will be too late.

Fuck the lot of you.

Anonymous said...

People know what is going on, you just need to pick what cause you're going to be indignant about, this isn't one of them.

Do you think that if I ran through a town centre / cathedral grounds / residential area / wherever 30 years ago with a loudhailer talking nonsense and a bunch of screaming kids running after me the police would have just chortled and said "What ho, he's in high spirits today - good luck to the chap".

Of course not, they'd have told me to put a sock in it, like happened here.

If you cry wolf at every occasion on the time that it matters no one will listen.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO get her said...

Get over yourself, Rab.

Rab C. Nesbitt said...

Nope!

Captain Ranty said...

I wrote this in reply to the twat (Anon) at 22:55 on 12 July.

If you want to take a rusty, jagged pipe up the shitter every day for your entire life, go right ahead.

Just don't whine when someone exercises their grey matter and finds a different way of getting through each day.

I opted out. It was and is my free choice. Lawfully.

So fuck off. And when you get there, fuck off again.

Captain Ranty said...

See where rage gets you?

Forgot to add the fucking link:

http://captainranty.blogspot.com/2009/07/cranks-r-us.html

banned said...
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Anonymous said...

What happens when a prospective corrupt parliamentary candidate uses a megaphone touting for votes? I suppose after being elected they disappear to count their ill gotten gains.Now thats what I call unlawful!!!!!

chunky lass said...

Instead of going in all heavy handed and pompous why didn’t the police man say “Sir we acknowledge your right to free speech but as this is a public area could you finish your protest in say 15mins? That would be helpful thank you”

The police would have then been reasonable, the public would have been reassured in their common sense approach and the protester would have had his say. Mind you looking at the coppers in this clip they all seem about 12 and are probably more excited about the appearance of their first pube rather than the responsibility of their office.

The fact that a member of the public had to remind them that the arrested man’s child needs assistance just about sums it all up.

I only know one brummie joke:

Noddy Holder, lead singer of Slade goes into a fancy dress shop to hire a 70’s outfit for their latest gig. “I want a pair of flares, a flowery shirt and a set of huge platforms please”

“Kipper tie?” answers the shop assistant

“Lovely” said Noddy “two sugars please”

Got to smile or you would cry..

Anonymous said...

The coppers are young and have grown up nurtured by this governments propaganda machine. They probably became coppers becuase they bought into it big time, but the guy is a bit of knob though. Its okay to be passionate about something, but without intelligence to back it up, its just blind ignorance.

Anonymous said...

Winston Smith: "There is more to life than paying taxes".

No, there isn't.

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