Friday, 1 May 2009

Paedophiles and pedants.


Tonight, I feel as angry as any of you do, on hearing the news that the man convicted of killing Baby Peter Connolly has also been convicted of raping a two year old girl.

I am glad that I feel angry. It is a good sign, it means that I am finally recovering from the emotional numbness brought on by working on the ‘front line’ with similar families. I wasn’t a Social Worker, but I spent my working life amongst the same depravity that they face daily.

A part of me can rage at the TV, at the society that produces such animals, that employs such ‘useless’ social workers – but a part of me also feels sympathy for the social workers involved. I am not about to defend their actions, they were wrong, but I do not condemn the individuals concerned, I condemn utterly the conditions under which they operate.

When you spend your working day amongst people at the very bottom end of society, when you trail from one sickening household to another, from one amoral life story to another, from one interwoven, interbred, incestuous household to another, abused, assaulted, insulted, unsupported, you do, inevitably, become a ‘different’ person to the rest of society.

It happens to Police Officers, it happens to Child Protection experts, it happens to Community Mental Health workers. Frankly, if it didn’t, they would become in need of help themselves.

If you haven’t worked amongst families who exist on the fringes of society, it is difficult to conceive of the depth of depravity they can sink to, not for nothing are they known as sink estates.

I have worked with families where a man has raped his paralysed brother’s daughter in front of him, he was unable, incapable, of helping her, and the rest of his family joined in setting fire to the house where she and her Mother had fled to – because they had gone to the police. ‘Society’ in the form of the Criminal Injuries Board, had awarded her £12,000 in compensation, the maximum available at the time, money which had quickly been whittled down just providing the basic necessities of her new life. Had she fled to the home of someone known to have a conviction for sexual offences, would I have said anything?

I have to say, the answer is No.

First and foremost, because under the terms of my contract, I would have been prevented from telling anyone that I had discovered that – although the law is changing on that front. Secondly, I would have judged that the danger she and her daughter might have been in, in the future, were ‘possible’ dangers – and the danger she was in at that moment was very real and present, and one for which there were no funds available, no facilities with places empty, in short, nothing that could be offered to her.

It is all too easy to sit in front of your computer and rant that such men should be castrated, (I would agree with you – but the law does not allow for it), that the social worker involved should be pilloried, ( I would not agree with you), that someone should ‘pay’ for this – but the truth is that it is only society which is to blame.

Society which sat round its scrubbed pine tables, over a supper of lasagna and red wine, and decided that the old mental hospitals, where the inadequate as well as the insane could live out a controlled life in safety, were ‘inhumane’ and should be closed; who decided that the human rights act and data protection laws were what society should have; who decided that schools should no longer be allowed to instill discipline in pupils – in short who took away the entire framework which used to govern communities and provide some safeguards – and then employed police officers and social workers to clean up the resulting mess and ensure that it did not burst out into your streets or from your tv screens.

Along the way you decided that Police Officers should come straight from university through Bramshill, Social Workers should get a degree, and turn overnight from middle class university material, into the sort of people who could make proper judgment calls on lives of which they had no prior experience. Lives so convoluted and complicated and inter related- and generally chemically enhanced - that it requires the judgment of Solomon to sort out.

You don’t get the judgment of Solomon from someone who is overworked, with a horrendous case load of problems that have no solution, You get mistakes, and bad calls. You get a gradual immunity as to what is ‘right’ and what is ‘wrong’.

If you want to rant and rail against someone, rant and rail against the people whose ideology has left an entire generation of feral individuals to amuse themselves day in day out, on a pittance of an income, with no hope, no reason to to take pride in their lives, no ability to take care of themselves.

Don’t take it out on the people you appointed to the hopeless task of making sure that the feral inhabitants of the swamp don’t offend your sensibilities.

The pedants will be out in force tonight, telling us what ‘should’ be done in such situations, with their unlimited ‘arm-chair’ budgets, their illegal knee-jerk solutions, their pious belief that if only ‘someone’ had done their job properly, this would never have happened.

Try keeping the lid on the ‘swamp’ in the real world of budgetary restraints, the Human Rights Act, Citizens Charters, Data Protection Laws. You will soon understand what a miracle it is that seven years elapsed between Victoria Climbie and Baby P.

Ask yourself too, whilst you are clucking your disapproval of the adults around Baby P, and the two year old girl who was raped, why the media are so content to justify a platoon of Doctors leaving their young children unattended whilst they went out drinking – and thus setting an example to the inhabitants of the swamp that it is OK to neglect your children, even if one disappears, so long as you are middle class professionals.

OH UPDATE: If you haven't seen what really happened to Maddy, Anna has it

35 comments:

Thomas said...

Ok.So when do we get to hang the fucker?

AnonyBNP said...

"Ok.So when do we get to hang the fucker?"

Just as soon as you elect a BNP government.

If you don't vote BNP then don't fucking whine about this cunt living the life of Riley in a holiday camp with access to Playstations, TV, handicraft classes and swapping his court case notes with other paedo-scum for the next 20 years until the liberal nanny state deems him fit for release.

Just shut the fuck up and vote BNP you cunts.

Ampers said...

I can't help feeling that, although maybe not totally responsible, the rot started to set in when the decision was made to stop the married man's allowance and treat one parent families equal to married families.

The second major point was the end of discipline in schools. Discipline ended when being able to use the cane ended.

Then when parents were forbidden to smack errant children became the third major reason.

I remember when I was a child, young hooligans (muggers, thugs etc) were sentenced to the birch and feared that more than anything.

Another point which doesn't help is to give fancy names to crimes. Mugging should be called thuggery. Has a nastier ring to it doesn't it? No doubt you can all think of other crimes.

No matter what the bleeding hearts rant and rage about, we will never get peace with the youg thugs until we worship the lawfully wedded couples, bring corporal discipline back.

Some may say that will never happen. Fair enough - if that is what you want. But I say, if it will never happen, then we'll never avoid the mess the inner city children are in.

Ampers.

Balding Nobhead Party said...

carefull anonyBNPer, thems your core vote

Old Holborn said...

Ampers,

I agree

WE allowed politicians to create these monsters

WE have to stop it. They fucking won't.

AnonyBNP said...

"Balding Nobhead Party said...

carefull anonyBNPer, thems your core vote"

Do me a favour will you Nobhead ?

Go and suck Cherie Bagel's cock.

You smug Zanu-Labour stooge cunt

The Penguin said...

You sad deluded twat. Try reading more widely and making your own mind up.

The Penguin

AnonyBNP said...

"The Penguin said...

You sad deluded twat. Try reading more widely and making your own mind up."

Would you mind explaining just exactly what the fuck it is you are on about ?

Oh, and BTW, having a blog doesn't automatically qualify you as some sort of expert on any particular topic.

It merely means you are a self-publicizing little twat who's got an over-inflated sense of his own self-importance.

Is that clear enough for you ?

You dick.

mikey said...

My wife worked, for many years, at the NSPCC. A thing anyone in the HR department there has to go through

Thing that, amongst a huge catalogue of horror, stood out for her was the describing of the death of a 3 year old girl, abused for years by her own family. The Judge summed up suggesting that in his opinion the moment when she was finally killed was the kindest thing that ever happened to her in her entire life. Social workers are at the sharp end of more vile shit than most of us would scarecly believe possible

denverthen said...

["Just shut the fuck up and vote BNP you cunts."
BNP in a nutshell. Idiot.]

Amazing article, OH.

mikey said...

"My wife worked, for many years, at the NSPCC. A thing anyone in the HR department there has to go through is reviewing past cases"...I'm not sure why that bit dropped out but there you go..makes more sense now

Balding Nobhead Party said...

Poor old BNP. You come here every day trying to build a mask of sanity which you think will hide your true nature and along comes AnonyBNPer to fuck it all up.

inearre said...

"but the truth is that it is only society which is to blame."No matter how much the State has tried you can never completely absolve people of their responsibilities. From Peter Connelly's 'family' who didn't have to kill him to Sharon Shoesmith who didn't have to run an ineffective ship. There is plenty of blame to go round. Something so nebulous as society is surely the least worst actor in this. Would we be scratching around for anyone and everyone to blame if we had faith in the justice system to punish Stephen Barker? Is it even any of our business? Would we be quick to blame the social services if we thought they were doing a bang up job?

I am disgusted at what this pervert killer has done. I am astonished that so many professionals dealt with this family and specifically dealt with Peter Connelly and failed to do much that was proactive. But I can also appreciate that it can be hard for people to join the dots when they have such a limited perspective.

"You don’t get the judgment of Solomon from someone who is overworked, with a horrendous case load of problems that have no solution, You get mistakes, and bad calls. You get a gradual immunity as to what is ‘right’ and what is ‘wrong’."A few social workers chipped in in the papers at the time of Peter Connelly's death hitting the news with comments to the effect of: 'The case load of the social workers involved was not high by any means'. What seems to be partly to blame is a system of boxes to tick and computer based data processing, rather than actually taking decision that needed to be taken. A system so fiddled, so lacking in clear paths of authority and eager to avoid taking decisions for fear of making the wrong one, that those on the ground had been made into little more than human surveillance. They were there to monitor people and report to someone higher not make the important decisions. Had they been empowered to do so maybe they would have taken more care. That does not mean they are solely responsible for Peter Connelly's death nor the raping of a two year old girl but that does not mean they are utterly blameless either.

Yet it is not the feral welfare underclass that routinely have their children taken off them - it is those who try to be obedient, who try to take on board advice and direction. As with many things, those who the system is meant to catch know their way around it better than anyone else. So the feral ones learn how to avoid attention while decent people can easily get caught in an absolute minefield of specious allegations. When the social services find a doormat they will walk all over it.

"Don’t take it out on the people you appointed to the hopeless task of making sure that the feral inhabitants of the swamp don’t offend your sensibilities."We expect a hell of a lot from our public services. It is unfair though, we cannot expect social services to keep every child alive and free from harm. Perhaps a diffusion of responsibility has made them less effective. Perhaps the system has been broken into so many small pieces so it can be just another job done by anyone rather than those who see it as a vocation. They also didn't have to wipe so many arses or have such a massive feral underclass to deal with while battling a potty and labyrinthian bureacracy. On the other hand perhaps there is nothing intrinsically wrong with things but the media are more ready to report it - can anyone say whether there are more children falling through the cracks now than there used to be?

But if the State is to position itself as the other parent in so many families it must fulfil it's responsibilities. Otherwise it is just another absent father getting tapped up for money.

Old Holborn said...

Bingo

Quirky said...

I can't help feeling that, although maybe not totally responsible, the rot started to set in when the decision was made to stop the married man's allowance and treat one parent families equal to married families.

Really? You really think two year olds are getting rammed because of the tax system? Of all the glib statements I have ever heard this goes on the top five. Tell you what though, I am not married to my partner, nor do I receive a tax allowance, but I have somehow managed not to rape either my partner’s children or her grandchildren. I wonder why that is? I bet the Swedish and the Danish would like an answer too, seeing how unmarried couples are at least as prevalent there as they are here. They must have the same problems as we do if we need to ‘worship married families’ to improve our morals, then it must go double for Scandinavia.

So the Gummint think I am a risk to children because I am not married (see passim) to my partner. Well thank you very much, if I wanted a three in a bed with me, my partner and the ‘Minister for poking their moral nose in my family arrangement’, I would have asked for it. What about this for a crazy fucking idea? What if the State keeps the fucking hell out of our martial arrangements and let me and my partner decide what is best for us? Instead of bribing me with my own money to get married, why not fuck off and annoy people that want it.

This piece of excrement did not rape a child because he didn’t get married or the women whose child he raped didn’t get married. He raped her because he is scum. Whatever created him whoever programmed him, he is scum.

As someone else says. Vote for the only Party that wishes to return the death penalty and rope the cunt and he wont do it again.

K. McEgan said...

Firstly,not the old anard about "depravity" it happens in posh homes too Ms Raccoon.Then the BNP.Sigh.Bring back 'anging.Yes,what if its Hodgkins or Kisko or some other poor bastard framed by your loyal supporter PC PLOD?Finally a lot of "Cock sucking" comments ce soir.Is that a repressed gay thing?

Guthrum said...

Its a swamp out there, and its just getting deeper and thicker.

When the height of ambition for trash like this is to get on the Jeremy Kyle show, we are sunk

Plato said...

Mr OH

Class post.

And spot on - until one has seen the under belly of society can one comment intelligently on it.

My experience with the plod opened my eyes big time and that was with just a shire force.

May I suggest that you raise these points more often as there are few in the politosphere who have a clue?

JD said...

Very informative and interesting post. Many thanks, JD.

Adrian P said...

I like the BNP canavssing technique, they don't fuck about like the other parties.

'shut the fuck up and Vote BNP'

By the way, although I don't like the Party politics aspects, we need a healthy mix of independants, I'll be voting BNP and wishing Old holboure good luck aswell.

I think we are all going to need it.

Endgame, Blueprint for Global EnslavementPS Latest news is that Nano therimite has DEFINATELY been found in the Rubble from the Twin towers.

go to infowars to find out more.
time for People in the Military to break out the Flashbangs and start kicking doors in.

thomas said...

@AntonyBNP

Well, I'm very glad I was the first guy to say what we all were thinking.

I won't vote BNP 'cos I aint racist. I think black Brits are some of the best. Having said that, I hope you do really well. I have had enough. I am SICK of hearing about fucking perverts fucking up the lives of my country's kids.

I once worked in a school and I heard some silly 14 year old bint suggest that Islaam would take over. I told her to fuck off. At which point I was called in to be disciplined.

One day a party that represents us will take over. Good luck to you my friend.

This scum must hang. Loooking forward to it. (By the way, my IQ is 155 and I have a Masters Degree. The BNP speak for a lot of us).

electro-kevin said...

A brilliant post.

Thanks.

sconzey said...

I thankfully have had not more than the barest glimpses of society's rotten underclass, "the swaps" as you say. I do know that in my coddled upper-middle-class upbringing, I've had no conception of the depths of human depravity.

I do know that there's no reason that, if it happens in Zimbabwe and Vietnam and Somalia, it can't happen here, even in this "advanced" and "civilised" society -- human indecency is a universal constant.

Our social workers are overworked and poorly trained, I was talking to one on the bus today: "10 weeks," she said, "and you hand in a dissertation on three things you've learned on the course, and magically you're a social worker"

The pertinent question now is, "so what can I do?"

Anonymous said...

"Our social workers are overworked and poorly trained" Poor things, bless useless twats the lot of them get a pair and stand up for the kids who they are supposed to look after and yes I have seen the trash pondlife they have to work with but theres no guards on the exit so why not get a proper job? We all know the answer to that one because they can't. Many years ago I the unpleasant experience of meeting Ann Coffey the MP for Stockport when she was still a social worker in Stockport said that adults "had to earn" the respect of children fucking idiot. If you think thats bad what about her then boss Bob Lewis he was one of the idiots who thought ritual abuse went on jids being sacrificed on council eatates but he was a catholic. There are 2 ways you fail the social workers exam either you die or don't turn up wankers

Anonymous said...

"The pedants will be out in force tonight, telling us what ‘should’ be done in such situations, with their unlimited ‘arm-chair’ budgets, their illegal knee-jerk solutions, their pious belief that if only ‘someone’ had done their job properly, this would never have happened."

Yes Ms Raccoon, if someone had done their job properly this would never have happened and you can gloss it over or hype it up for your political buddy followers, but the fact remains that even within a system of ticking boxes and reports, human failure is the lever that drives the system into motion.

Swamp estates have existed since the early 1970’s when I had to venture into these homes and regardless of the poverty their children were loved and kept clean, even though they walked around in rags and their sparsely furnished houses were scrubbed until they shone, but then the underclass species changed into one that got reliant on government handouts and they chose to be poor because they had no pride or incentive to get off their fat @rse…...Government handouts that started prior to the present traitors in power.

I visited these “swamp” estates while the likes of baby P's mother herself was still in nappies and I could take my coat off and not have to think about it, then when the likes of Peter’s mother and Sharon Matthews became reproductive and blamed anybody bar themselves for the situation they found themselves in, I had to take my coat off and leave it in the car regardless whether or not it was snowing, raining or 5 degrees below freezing because of the filth and parasites living in these houses.

Houses where human and dog shit lay side by side on the floor with their children and I had to wipe my feet when I left the house, not on the doormat before I entered.
Houses where unwanted, snivelling, under nourished filthy children became just another source of income and the underclass mentality of leaving them in those conditions to get more help from society, anything bar take responsibility for their lives and offspring.

You don’t become detached from it, you become resilient.
Becoming detached is one of the reasons why failure occurs and these human cesspits become another caseload and a number in a box to tick, becoming detached means you don’t give a fuck anymore.
Stop making excuses for individual failures of social workers and the vermin who continue to copulate.

Anonymous said...

OOOps !!!!!
Karen Matthews not Sharon Matthews.

North Northwester said...

Anonymous said...
"but then the underclass species changed into one that got reliant on government handouts and they chose to be poor because they had no pride or incentive to get off their fat @rse…...Government handouts that started prior to the present traitors in power."

Too true - alas. It was the Tories who introduced Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit (the latter to prevent the Poll Tax riots kicking off again,) and who pegged the amount of rent to pay - and therefore the amount of benefits you'll get - on the number of children you had.

Still works now.
The more kids, the more Child Benefit, Tax Credit, Housing benefit and the later you'll be forced off Income Support and onto the ironically-named 'Jobseeker's Allowance.'

So breeding is the meat people-carrier's job, and they do it well, because they're paid well to do it.

Children are a crop.

And they have this massive sense of entitlement - almost unconquerable in a world where they can claim [rightly or wrongly] to be illiterate - sorry; 'dyslexic' - so they don't even have to fill in their own benefit claim forms.

See here, if you must,
http://theyrejokingarentthey.blogspot.com/2009/01/eve-of-destruction.html

http://theyrejokingarentthey.blogspot.com/2009/04/lying-bbc-liars-lying-for-their-lying.html


And I do feel sorry for the presumed, decent, hard-working social workers, but some are just plain ignorant benefit-farmers for their hopeless clients.

And so many social workers have bought thoroughly into the idea that adult human beings have something like fee will.

And there is little, if any, humility in the profession about it awful failures, that I can see.

Sorry, but that's the way I see it.

By all means trash the cultural Marxist theories of near- universal victimhood, but please remember that social workers must be presumed to be sane adults too, and they should be able to think straight once they get back to the office, don't you think?

Chalcedon said...

I was so angry and upset when I saw this story. I was also angry on reading how the child, now just 4 years old FFS was cross examined by the barristers who of cours tried to twist the evidence from the child to discredit it and make out the child was unreliable. They may have a job to do BUT grilling a 4 year old the way it was done sounded quite brutal. I have even less regard for lawyers than for government ministers now, and that's saying something!

Anonymous said...

When I was young (yeah what a memory) You couldn't afford to be on the dole as the benefits were so low now it's reversed, hundreds of thousands can't afford to go to work even if they wanted to which they don't because the benefits are so high.

fyfie_uk said...

Spot on Anna. I think you have hit the nail on the hit. Its a pity that our liberal politicians and social services don't grow a set and actually do something about the rot that has set in.

Tragic tho it is, I hope Baby Peter's legagy can provide the impetous to change things for the better.

Anonymous said...

A 10 week course for social workers? Where is that then? It used to be two years and now it's three at degree level. Plus all the other personal development courses you have to do - up to Masters, for those who don't know how it works and think we get a certificate off a packet of creal.

Yes, I am one of 'them'. Have been for 13 years. I work in the forensics field so deal with all the undesirables and the really nasty pieces of shit society breeds. I am fed up to the back teeth with the crap thrown our way by so called armchair experts. We try - some of my colleauges are brilliant at what they do, some not. Alas, more not than brilliant. And why? Why? Lack of funding is a main one - cheapest option wins every time.

The other is poor leadership. Promotion given to any bright spark who passes the interview. People promoted without relevant field experience or even an apprenticeship at the sharp end. A couple of months in the job - interview for Senior Prac, tick all the boxes and bingo - you're in. You get to make huge decisions and you can use your new position to make sure everyone knows you are better than they are. Even if you are not.

What is needed is for each individual social worker to be allowed to specialise in a particular field, to prove their worth and to be listened to - rather than be sidelined by some pompous PC twat fresh out of uni who did the job for three months and then got the Senior Prac's post because their face fitted and they answered all the questions correctly. Same goes for Managers who forget they ever worked on the touchline and are thus divorced from the realitry of practice.

We need managers who back their staff to the hilt, who will stand by their decisions. We need a change - and we need less case loads, less paperwork and more recognition of what we actually do.

I am lucky. I work in a well balanced multi-disciplined team where we follow protociol - bt where we also have each others backs. Sadly, this is an unique experience. Others are not so lucky.

If you want to see some progress, let us do our jobs. Free us from paperwork and budget targets, give us the right to present our cases as practitioners who know what we're doing - rather than letting some newly appointed manager take the reins and base the end game on budgets and targets. People before profit.

Free us up to do what we do well - support us, work with us instead of seeing us as folk devils. Maybe then we'll see some changes.

Excellent lead article by the way. For once can say someone sees beyond the hype.

Not Making That Mistake Again said...

Anon 11:34
I remember when you fuckers started turning up in my girlfriends life. She's a great mum who made the mistake of needing help for a brief period. Within a fortnight there were more proffessionals in her life than life. We ditched the lot of you and sorted everything out ourselves. You are scum

Balding Nobhead Party unable yet again to fucking sign in said...

Its no secret that if you sorted out the lives of your clients in the month or so it would actually take to do so, instead of engineering a lifetime of socialworker dependency, you would soon have no clients. You need to perpetuate the problems in order to exist and you need to create new dependents for your friends to have jobs. You are parasites of the lowest kind.

Anonymous said...

Well, what can I say? Damned if we do - damned if we don't! Nowt changes.

Sort out in a month? That's hardly realistic - are we a people production line then? Is that what you want? Efficiency savings - shit, you sound like a lot of managers I know. Maybe you are one?

That makes a mockery of what should be done and is in every way in line with Government and departmental thinking - and that is one of the major issues.

I don't have friends in the professions - 8 hours a day with them and clients is more than enough, ta. I like to keep private and work seperate - and with good reason. So how can I keep my 'mattes' in a job? That's just plain and simple crap.

As for the poster whose girlfiend had social workers coming in - she asked for the help or ssomeone referred to - we don't walk in univited. Look to the source - and blame them. Maybe a family member and an anonymous 'phone call? Ah no, can't be that, eh? We just walk in. No way anyone outside of your family asked someone for help, eh? It's just us 'scum' looking for an opportunity to create havoc in someones life. Look closer to home, fuckwit. Start blaming those nearest and dearest rather than singling out others.

Parasites. Yeah....and how many of the good news stories do you see in the press? Um, let me see....none. Why? Because arseholes like you sit and make your armchair commentary safe in the knowledge that your life is so perfect you can look after yourself. You need to get out more.

deeter54 said...

"This piece of excrement did not rape a child because he didn’t get married or the women whose child he raped didn’t get married. He raped her because he is scum. Whatever created him whoever programmed him, he is scum."

A brilliant response in layman's terms. It happens in all social classes. The more affluent are able to get out of it more often due to great lawyers and bias. There has been studies done that show that antisocial individuals brainwaves a are different than a normal person's. Genetics are a part of what makes these creatures who kill with no empathy. I think releasing them back in the public is a horrible mistake. Pedophiles are very hard to cure from their illness. Especially the adults. This animal will always be a danger to society. You do not cure an antisocial.

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