Friday, 17 April 2009

Tomlinson Second Autopsy covered up for a week to preserve Smith and Brown


It what must be the final nail in the coffin of Jackboot Jackie, the second autopsy reveals that Tomlinson died of internal bleeding.

It is of some comfort to the family that the record is now being put straight, but they hope that the IPCC investigation will be expedited and thorough, and that there will be a prompt referral to the CPS for charge

Jules Carey, family solicitor

The family's solicitors have know about this result for a week, but were asked by the IPCC to keep quiet whilst investigations were carried out.

In a response, the Independent Police Complaints Commission said: "Following the initial results of the second post mortem, a Metropolitan police officer has been interviewed under caution for the offence of manslaughter as part of an ongoing inquiry into the death of Ian Tomlinson."

This is utter bullshit and more spin, in a week when McBride was causing the Government emarrassment, after twenty years Hillsborough and the sealed files on the Police failures lead to booing at the memorial, and Brown finally did a half hearted apology.

It seems Dr Patel appeared to the Police to be somebody who came up with the right answer.

This Government is still lying, still spinning to preserve itself. When they start killing innocent members of the public and covering their tracks for a week, it is tantamount to bodies being found at the bottom of stairs 'who have slipped'.


Enough is Enough- OUT

51 comments:

JuliaM said...

"When they start killing innocent members of the public..."

I'd be a bit cautious. We don't know that this cause of death isn't related to his acknowledged ill health. There are other causes of abdominal bleeding other than assault...

Anonymous said...

nuLieBore will still win the next election (if we have one). The snot goblin would have to simultaneously eat O’Bama’s new puppy alive on BBC news whilst fiddling with a kiddie on election day for the people not vote Labour.

There is no hope.

Guthrum said...

Julia- Why be cautious ? Out of their own mouths

"a Metropolitan police officer has been interviewed under caution for the offence of manslaughter as part of an ongoing inquiry into the death of Ian Tomlinson."

Somebody has been killed

Manslaughter

The unjustifiable, inexcusable, and intentional killing of a human being without deliberation, premeditation, and malice. The unlawful killing of a human being without any deliberation, which may be involuntary, in the commission of a lawful act without due caution and circumspection.

What do we have to do wait until they start machine gunning us in the streets, before anybody believes we are under the heel of a police state with Brown at its head ?

black hole sunset said...

"... as part of an ongoing inquiry into the death of Ian Tomlinson."Just how taxing of an enquiry is that going to be? There's a decent video of the killer blow and loads of witnesses.

Merry fucking Chrismas PIGS.

JuliaM said... "I'd be a bit cautious. We don't know that this cause ..."So what's your thesis? Don't go near violent police thugs if you're suffering from ill health?

More info here"Dr Cary accepts that there is evidence of coronary atherosclerosis but states that in his opinion its nature and extent is unlikely to have contributed to the cause of death."

Anonymous said...

Despite the evidence, he'll get away with it - they always do. And so will Jacky - although in a decent civilised country the Home Secretary would resign immediately. Unfortunately, under NuLabour, the label 'civilised' no longer applies to Britain.

Rightwinggit said...

That Patel cunt has got previous as well...can we have him struck off?

sousbois said...

there's a decent video of the killer blow and loads of witnessesKiller blow?

If I could kill people by pushing them over, I'd run amok in Tesco tomorrow and slay hundreds.

Calm down.

JuliaM said...

"..Why be cautious ? Out of their own mouths

"a Metropolitan police officer has been interviewed under caution for the offence of manslaughter..."
The police gather evidence. That's what they are doing now. It's up to the CPS to decide if there's a case.

"The unjustifiable, inexcusable, and intentional killing of a human being without deliberation, premeditation, and malice..."Ah, right. It's all a big conspiracy. The Met KNEW he was an alcoholic and realised they could get away with killing someone - deliberately - so gave the order.

Sheesh...

SteveShark said...

@sousbois

But you *can* kill people by pushing them over.
It only takes the 'right' angle and the trauma to occur in exactly the 'right' spot and what might cause a bruise 99.99% of the time could be fatal in the other 0.01% of cases.
Of course, the victim could have some sort of physiological weakness in the area causing the fatality but I don't think that could be used as any sort of defence in a court of law.
Yes, it could be just bad luck that Ian Tomlinson died from a shove or a blow from a baton, or both, but the actions of the police involved weren't anything to do with luck.

Pugwash said...

The STASI will kill anyone "unlucky" to be in their sights. These bastards will take out women & children if order to do so.

They make the Gestapo and SS police units look like boy scouts.

Guthrum said...

It's up to the CPS to decide if there's a case.

I can't believe this.

Damien Green was threatened with life imprisonment by the Police, before it got anywhere near the CPS

defender said...

It is a tradegy that Ian Tomlinson died, it is disgusting that his death was the subject of an assault by the police, it is unforgivable that the spinners have tried to cover it up as they have.
Just where the hell do we go with this now?
Who is the person ultimately responsible for this?
We know they were "up for it", we know there was a bit of tension, we know some of the protesters where looking for a riot.
But I doubt Tomlinson was up for it and to me I would say that at most he was taking the piss. He is dead now and plod is in the frame for it.
Enough is really enough.

this was a free country said...

JuliaM

You are one sick bunny. Why should any person, police or otherwise be entitled to beat somebody, doing no real harm, with an implement designed to cause physical damage and incapacity?

Ooh, a feeling of superiority perhaps standing next to the big boys?

Don't tell me, you're a female Death Squad member.

Motto: Hit to kill!

JuliaM said...

"You are one sick bunny."For wanting all the evidence in before anyone leaps to conclusions?

"Why should any person, police or otherwise be entitled to beat somebody, doing no real harm, with an implement designed to cause physical damage and incapacity?"'Beat someone'...? A whack with a baton and a shove? I think you've never been on the end of a real beating, if that's what you believe.

And what's the answer to all this? Do you have one?

Would you prefer the anarchists run riot? Shall we just let the protesters tear up the town next time?

"Don't tell me, you're a female Death Squad member."Of course! When I'm not flying my black helicopter or orchestrating the downfall of the western economic system...

JuliaM said...

"Damien Green was threatened with life imprisonment by the Police, before it got anywhere near the CPS."So, the police are the enemy?

Who are you going to call if you are burgled, or assaulted tonight? Greenpeace?

Old Holborn said...

An undertaker

Any fucker wandering around my gaff at 3 o'clock in the morning deserves what he gets.

Old Holborn said...

"Would you prefer the anarchists run riot? Shall we just let the protesters tear up the town next time?"

Yes. Then what made them angry won't happen again.

Do me a favour Julia, fuck off to Dales and chat about knitting would you?

SteveShark said...

@JuliaM

I've detected exactly the same attitude in your blog as here.

To whit: 'Why are you moaning? It could be much worse.'


I'm sorry, but that's not a very aspirational approach to life, is it?

It's like saying the mortality rate in the UK is 10 per 1000 but it could be worse - it's 20 in 1000 in Mozambique.

That may be true, but does that mean that we shouldn't try and get it down to the level of, say, the UAE, where it's about 2 per 1000?

Your approach may be pragmatic, but shouldn't we - as human beings - not be content to put up with something just because it's better than it could be?

Similarly, just because we don't get swooped on at 3am by the secret police or batoned as we walk along minding our own business, does that mean we shouldn't strive to make the police force better than it is?

OK, if the hunman race in general hadn't sought to continually better itself we might not have some of the evils of the world today, but we wouldn't have some of the benefits of our drive to improve our existence either.

The alternative to just being content and not wanting anything better is eventual extinction.

Gareth said...

Guthrum,

It is up to the CPS to decide if there is a case worth prosecuting. But it is first up to the Police whether to go to the CPS or not. Scare a suspect into confessing and the CPS are barely a part of the system.

The other side to this coin is serious and serial offenders getting away with Police cautions. It appears to be enough of a 'result' for the Police but does nothing to protect the public.

Guthrum said...

Who are you going to call if you are burgled, or assaulted tonight? Greenpeace?

Not the Police, I don't need a crime number a week later and a letter from victim support two weeks later. I willdefend what is mine. Then phone the Police before the burglar tries to get me locked up rfor breaching his human rights

Ron said...

I wouldn't dream of asking the police to protect me or my home. I can look after myself.

So the police kill a man, then try to cover it up. Do they have any moral authority now to arrest us for speeding in our cars, or other minor crimes?

JuliaM said...

"Yes. Then what made them angry won't happen again."And people wonder why 'libertarians' get a bad name...

"Do me a favour Julia, fuck off to Dales and chat about knitting would you?"Can't knit. I doubt Iain Dale can either.

Know what else I can't do...? Act like an irresponsible adolescent, running around shouting for the downfall of western democracy, with nothing to replace it.

JuliaM said...

"I've detected exactly the same attitude in your blog as here.

To whit: 'Why are you moaning? It could be much worse.' "
It could. You don't help your cause with witless hyperbole.

Are the police a devalued service, riddled with political correctness and full of useless levels of 'management'? Yes, there's some truth in that.

Are they soulless death squads marching to the government's tune?

No.

JuliaM said...

"Similarly, just because we don't get swooped on at 3am by the secret police or batoned as we walk along minding our own business, does that mean we shouldn't strive to make the police force better than it is?"

By jumping to conmclusions, like the worst of the left wing rabblerousers?

Old Holborn said...

Julia

How many innocent people killed by the police WILL convince you?

5? 10? 6 million?

I want a figure. A "target". A tangible figure that convinces you. Not waffle.

Anonymous said...

You know , there's one other aspect of this bad matter that is really pi**in* me off.

What this brutal stupid Hoon of a megalomaniac copper has done has given the eco-fascists and moonbats and nutters a ready made excuse to run rampant in future knowing that they can cry "we wus hurt" - when they weren't -but now it will have credibility - and tip the public sympathy agenda their way.

aproposofwhat said...

It doesn't take much of a blow to the abdomen to cause internal bleeding to someone with chronic alcoholism - liver disease reduces clotting, and alcoholics tend to have lower calcium uptake (and hence weaker bones) than the rest of the population.

Looking at the film of the assault, the blow struck by the narrow steel baton appears to have been roughly at the bottom of the ribcage, and struck with sufficient force to break a normal rib, let alone a weakened one.

Manslaughter would appear to be a perfectly reasonable offence with which to charge the thug in question.

Oh, and who would I call if someone broke in to my place?

An ambulance for the burglar, of course - Plod isn't the only one with telescopic batons ;o)

JuliaM said...

"How many innocent people killed by the police WILL convince you?"I'm still waiting to see if this person was 'kiiled by the police', frankly...

Katabasis said...

Some information on Patel's previous.

Katabasis said...

More detail on Patel and the Camden Town murders....

SteveShark said...

@JuliaM
"Similarly, just because we don't get swooped on at 3am by the secret police or batoned as we walk along minding our own business, does that mean we shouldn't strive to make the police force better than it is?"

By jumping to conmclusions, like the worst of the left wing rabblerousers?

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Wow.
You certainly like lumping people together and labelling them, don't you? You also don't appear to be able to answer a straightforward question.

My position regarding the police is that they were needed at the G20 protests although their methods need reviewing in the light of how April 1st went.
It's also clear that some police officers went beyond any remit they might have had re crowd management.

As for jumping to conclusions, if I'd just heard anecdotal evidence, I'd agree with you, but the video that emerged seems evidence of at least assault and if the professional conclusion is reached that the abdominal bleeding was caused by a baton or by falling over when pushed and this caused death then a manslaughter charge seems likely.

Whether a guilty verdict ensues is not up to me, although I have little faith in the IPCC and the judicial system.

What you have failed to address - by oh so cleverly answering a question with yet another question - is whether we should try to make the police force better than it is.

My own take on it is that it can obviously do better - disregarding the G20 protests.

I'm glad we have a police force, but they could be so much better - not that it's always their fault (This government has much to answer for) - and yes, I call on them for help if necessary, but to use another analogy:

If I had raging toothache, I'd go to any dentist, even if he wasn't the best one. However, out of choice in a non-emergency I wouldn't use him unless I really, really had to.

9 times out of 10, you report a crime and you get a number over the phone and a letter from victim support.

So, the police we have will do - but only until we can find a way of improving the whole system.

How high up does the cover up go? said...

I noticed that in the video when Thomlinson gets up his head looks like it has taken quite a beating!

I started to wonder if his head hit the ground and caused this or whether h had been previously attacked moments before.

some witness reports have suggested he was attacked moments earlier.

This may be when the main injuries that seem appparent on his head (red marks)may have happend.

The fact that this would have ALL been covered up by lies and burried under big Labour the carpet of filth is the biggest shock of all.

One dodgy copper and we can blame the copper, but a coverup - that's people in charge, covering up and obstructing justice!

Hopefully we will get a full report complete with CCTV footage, stating when the wheels of justice finally went into action, if this is after the footage was released and not before you really do have a police state which is prepared to kill and then hide it's tracks.

The cop in question will be hung out to dry, those involed in the cover up will be the untouchables!

The big question now is - high up does the cover up go?

JuliaM said...

"What you have failed to address - by oh so cleverly answering a question with yet another question - is whether we should try to make the police force better than it is."

Frankly, I'm not sure a question like that needs answering. But here goes: we should always strive to make every public service better.

Who is saying that we shouldn't? Certainly not me.

But jumping to conclusions about causes of death isn't exactly going to help with that goal, is it?

Guthrum said...

"But jumping to conclusions about causes of death isn't exactly going to help with that goal, is it?"

For Christs Sake Tomlinson is not imagining he is dead, he was beaten to the ground fact, moments later he is dead fact, The IPCC kept this second autopsy under wraps for a week fact, it stinks fact.

SteveShark said...

@Guthrum

Call that a beating?
Hit with a baton and knocked flying?
Why, you don't know what a real beating is!
Better ask JuliaM - she seems to know all about real beatings...
"A whack with a baton and a shove? I think you've never been on the end of a real beating, if that's what you believe."

Guthrum said...

Fortunately nobody has tried to give me a beating whilst I was walking away with my hands in my pocket, and certainly nobody has or would face to face

geewiz said...

*groan* Ken bloody Livingstone trotted out on Newsnight and saying that it's rogue elements of the met and doesn't go far up the chain. Who cares what he thinks and why the fuck is he still around?
A stint on the beeb obviously pays enough for a few bottles.

Anonymous said...

Julia M
I dont know who voted you as spokesman for the Police force.

The fact is this person was beaten/assaulted by the Police minutes before collapsing.Are you saying that he would have collapsed and died even if he hadnt been beaten?Please be rational and dont let your Common Purpose training affect your judgement.

JuliaM said...

"I dont know who voted you as spokesman for the Police force."

Well, no-one. Probably because I'm not, usually, as a glace at my blog (or a search on the keyword 'policing') would show you.

It's just that this particular case is being used by the usual suspects for some very, very dodgy purposes. And usually sensible people hear seem to be falling for it hook, line and sinker.

"..dont let your Common Purpose training affect your judgement..."

*rolls eyes*

Sigh. Why don't I ever get accused of being in the cool consipracies by anonymous nutters in the comments?

You know, the Illuminati, or the New World Order...

Anonymous said...

@ JuliaM
"How many innocent people killed by the police WILL convince you?"I'm still waiting to see if this person was 'kiiled by the police', frankly...

Did you miss the story about Jean Charles de Menezes then?

Anonymous said...

1. jacqui Smith is a CUNT

2. The police are CUNTS

Anonymous said...

Thousands of Iraqies
David Kelly
Jean Charles de Menezes
Ian Tomlinson

don't get in New Stassi's way

Katabasis said...

Julia

I'm interested to find out what you make of Seymour Hersh's allegations that Cheney was running an executive death squad during the Bush years....?

Anonymous said...

Dr Freddy Patel Also investigated the Death of Richard Chang at Abbey National headquarters in 2004 when Stephen Hester was COO.

Richard Chang Corporate Killingapparently there was a leak and Nathan Bostok now head of RBS Risk got in Kroll.... Richard died shortly after...

JuliaM said...

"I'm interested to find out what you make of Seymour Hersh's allegations that Cheney was running an executive death squad during the Bush years....?"About what I make of some old soak claiming to have seen the Beast of Bodmin in his garden after his fifteenth pint of scrumpy, frankly...

I mean, Seymour Hirsh...? Can you find someone with less credibility?

Well, maybe that ex-footballer who believes the Royal Family are shapechnging lizards, maybe...

Old Holborn said...

Julia

Run as a SLIDE SHOW I was there. You weren't.

black hole sunset said...

sousbois said... "Killer blow?.. Calm down."I don't think anyone's disputing the fact that Mr Tomlinson's death was unexpected given the force used but he is seen being violently pushed to the ground and he does die shortly thereafter.

So it was indeed a "killer blow", whether or not it was intended to be so and or whether or not his death was likely given the circumstances.

"If I could kill people by pushing them over, I'd run amok in Tesco tomorrow and slay hundreds."Likewise, no one is suggesting that pushing someone over is an effective method of killing them. That said, if you do push someone over and they die you are responsible - even if the victim was in unexpectedly poor health and would likely have survived your push otherwise.

JuliaM said... "I'm still waiting to see if this person was 'kiiled by the police', frankly..."Even if it turns out that there are no ground for manslaughter charges, he was most definitely "killed by the police", albeit unintentionally.

What evidence are you waiting for?

Anonymous said...

JuliaM only answers the questions that she wants to. She ignores the rest...her choice I guess!

black hole sunset said...

Anonymous said... "JuliaM only answers the questions that she wants to. She ignores the rest...her choice I guess!"Then it's just as well that all my questions were rhetorical.

Antipholus Papps said...

JuliaM, you really are an utter cunt. Do you ever post on the Guardian as Martin Smith? Cunt.

Antipholus Papps said...

*takes off troll's hat*

Seriously though JuliaM (you cunt), Gordon Brown has been openly calling for a New World Order for quite some time now. Lumping it together with speculation about Adam Weishaupt's little masonic shindig is rather disingenuous.

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