Friday, 17 April 2009

Let us dream....

Spotted a piece in the Grauniad this morning

Let me quote Martin Kettle as he blethers on about how nasty we are to the (not our) Government

The publication of all MPs' receipts is a time bomb waiting to explode in July. Government whips speak of the danger of byelections, and even suicides, when
they are made public.
Let the Revolution begin. 60,000,000 of us. 646 of them.


Obnoxio The Clown said...

Suicides? One can but hope!

Guthrum said...

To be or not to be, that is the question;
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous government,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing, end them. To die, to sleep;
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to — 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep, perchance to dream. Ay, there's the rub,
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
When Labour have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause. There's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life,
For who would bear the whips and scorns of political blogs,
Th'oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th'unworthy taxes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The oppressed country from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of revolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pitchforks and moment
With this regard their expenses turn awry,
And lose the name of action.

Apologies to Bill Shakespeare

Cato said...

There might even be a few 'assisted suicides'....hopefully!

Chalcedon said...

Suicides? That's bollox. If they owed a load of moolah and were being hounded and harassed I could understand it, but for troughing a shed load of dosh perfectly within their own crappy rules? They might die from embarrassment if they were ordinary mortals bereft of hides 10 times thicker than that of a hippo.

If expense fiddles are fiddles why aren't they being prosecu.......ah, then they would all get prosecuted wouldn't they? All 646..........surely there must be at least one decent human being amongst these money grubbing bastards?

Katabasis said...


"Nothing to hide nothing to fear?"

I'm having trouble understanding what could be so awful to claim on expenses that suicide would be an option....and to think they tried to change the law to prevent this happening too...

Gareth said...

Stoking up fear sounds a lot like the Met's approach to the G20 protests. Government whips shouldn't fear by-elections, they should thrive on them and revel in them! It's a chance to get out there and meet the punters, try and convince people your ideas are sound.

If they have nothing to hide they have nothing to fear.

If they had been doing their job properly they would be decent people keen to do the work Parliament is meant to do. On their watch Parliament has become fat, lazy and merrily bypassed by the quangocrats.

At some point people have to face the consequences of their actions. That goes for the State too.

Pensions, debt, public sector bloat, mountains of specious legislation, corruption, the NHS, shit Police, potty judiciary, education standards plummeting, tax burdens rising (and drowning in a sea of red tape). The list goes on and on. Answered with review after review or plain old whitewash. Soothing words flow like shit from an outfall pipe. 'Never again' has been heard too many times. That's before you get to the outright denial of reality and the evasive changing of the subject.

hangemall said...

1) Suicides? A result!!!

2) Chalcedon, I think that to call these beings "human" even with hides 10 times thicker than a hippo is to flatter them. Amos Gunsberg classified these beings as "humanoids" :-

"These creatures do not THINK human. They do not SPEAK human. They do not know what it is to
BE human."

"They make pronouncements without substantiation. To them, these pronouncements represent
what reality is ... pronouncement by pronouncement. The present pronouncement may contradict
what they said a moment ago. This means nothing to them. They make no attempt to deal with
the contradiction."

"They DON'T know what a fact is. When we speak of facts and ask them to address the facts, they look at us with vacant eyes. They don't know what we're talking about.

They study us because their strategy is to pass as human. They hear us use the words —
facts, evidence, substantiation. They lack the human capacity to understand what we mean.

What they do is ignore our reference to facts, ignore our requests for them to supply facts,
and hope we won't notice it's due to their lack of comprehension."

"Humanoids use the phrase "my perception" as a buzz word. They imagine what they choose, and
tell us it is their "perception" ... which, in their minds, ESTABLISHES reality. What we
call "facts" do not exist for them. That's why they whine and claim they are being attacked
whenever substantiation is requested.

Humanoids claim their statements are valid simply because they make them!!! They elaborate on this: "I honor integrity in this regard. As an egoist, I make statements which are valid to me. Validity to my 'self' comes first. I grant other people this same respect assuming
they say things valid to themselves.""

I coukd go on and on even more, but recommend the full article here:-

although it can be seem in other places.

3) From the Guardian article:-

"The DPP's conclusion that the leaks to Green, though damaging, involved neither secrets nor national security also humiliates senior civil servants in the Home Office. It does nothing for Jacqui Smith's badly wounded reputation either. It tells us a lot about the modern Home Office's penchant for overhyping the national security issue as well."

Senior civil servants were embarrassed by the leaks. There can be little doubt of that. They were probably thinking that if the leaks didn't stop their promotion and pension prospects would be compromised, so not being very bright they used a sledgehammer to crack a nut. National security? If they think their bloated pensions are as valuable as the sefety of the country and its citizens, then they are getting paid for too much.

Sorry for going on so long, but I am getting more and more peeved. One day I hope to become as peeved as Old Holborn.

Katabasis said...

Help me out here folks.....

Just what in hell would be bad enough for suicide, where expenses are concerned?

Given what MPs have got away with previously it's difficult to imagine isn't it?

The only thing I can conclude is that once the expenses are revealed - a pattern could be identified (probably by eagle eyed bloggers no less) - that would show the person in question to be compromised by a foreign power (perhaps in a Saudi / BAe esque slush fund for "entertainment" etc).

In other words: Treason.

Any other takers? Or other proposals?

Anonymous said...

I'm sure that I'm repeating what others have already said. But....if there are to be suicides amongst the troughers at the House of Commons, could we please watch. Can there be maybe a 'X-Factor' equivalent on TV and we can vote for who gets to go next, and maybe the method of extirpation. and perhaps a lottery for a few lucky people to 'help' them along their way to 70 virgins (since they all seem to think islam is the best thing since sliced bread) and a life in paradise with allah.

john in cheshire

Sir Henry Morgan said...


How about buying a little girl from a Kosovan slaver and putting it down as household cleaning expenses (A "maid")

Just a thought.

Gareth said...

The suicide comment sounds more like a whiney and immature attempt to illicit sympathy to me. Next thing you know there'll be a pack of goths on the Labour back bench and Harrier Harperson threatening to slit her wrists at the Despatch box.

We have a Parliament stuffed to the gills with student politicians who never grew up.

Katabasis said...

Sir Henry - similar things did occur to me, but I thought that because at least one person, even if they're part of the club does get to look at the expense claims, it might stop something so serious. That's why I'm going down the road of thinking it is more likely a collection of expense claims, to which a pattern could be found if one were inclined to look.

Gareth - you might be right. I've been wondering what the whips' motivations were in saying this.....

aproposofwhat said...


It'll save on piano wire, I suppose...

it's either banned or compulsory said...

MPs contemplating suicide ? Copy and paste this

Handy Guide To SuicideAlternativly try chucking yourself under a train, which is free.

The vicar said...

John in Cheshire:
I saw a nice pic (I think chez Theo) of the 70 virgins awaiting the arrival of Islamic suicide bombers:

A line of nuns holding loaded AK47s....

Anonymous said...

Help me out here folks.....

Just what in hell would be bad enough for suicide, where expenses are concerned?
Well, take this as a baseline example - and and then let your imagination run wild.

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