Friday, 6 March 2009

Strategically Speaking Labour Don't Give A Toss




The one and only legitimate role of Government is Defence of the Realm, not to act as social workers,social engineers or running banks and insurance companies

Today we find out that we have four days supply of Gas in the reserves left in the country, ok it is heading towards Spring in a few week and traditionally stocks are low, but France and Germany have 100 days. Energy security is an issue for all sovereign nations, we have so little storage capacity in this country, and as we have such an over reliance on Gas, that in the event of a 'National Emergency' ie somebody blowing up the pipelines today, domestic and business supplies would go off on Tuesday.

These clowns had not learned one lesson from the twentieth century when we were twice nearly strangled by an over reliance on imported food stuffs,energy, and weaponry.

The saga of the eight Chinooks that we bought from our 'allies' the Americans is a case in point, but some tosser forgot to ensure that we got the operators manual (software) and after eight years they still have not flown, and it is now costing nearly half a Billion to sort the problems out.Blair promised that our troops would have the lift capacity they needing in Afghanistan and Iraq, meanwhile the MOD under Hoon and Swiss Tony committed troops in support of the Americans to ensure that Blair and Brown could be feted in DC gurning at who ever is in the oval office at the time.

"It is scandalous that while our troops are desperate for helicopters in Afghanistan, eight Chinooks have been left on the tarmac back in Britain. "This is a dismal tale of dithering, bad planning, and the gross waste of public funds. It is incredible that millions can be frittered away on bad decisions and yet penny-pinching on other MoD equipment has cost the lives of service personnel. "The MoD seems to be in a state of meltdown, yet Gordon Brown is offering neither concern nor leadership."
Nick Hervey MP- The Independent

Since the 2004 Defence White Paper, the Defence of these Islands is now run on an American Strategic Concept called Network Enabled Capability, this appears to be concept once you have gone through the gobbledegook that is Pentagon speak on an over reliance of technology, to ensure that 'networking' communications to direct forces to where they are needed most. This has the benefit of the Government being able to cut back on naval ships, helicopters and troops on the ground.

Read the MOD sales pitch

Fine in theory, so instead of throwing weaponry at an enemy you throw the equivalent of half a dozen mobile phones at them and hope than the batteries are fully charged and you can get a signal.

If this theory is so good, please explain why US aircraft seem to have an unerring penchant for bombing or straffing the wrong side, ask the Royal Anglians about this. The recent Ross Kemp series on Afghanistan, shows that the Army is loaded to the gunnels with comms, and can direct mortars and aircraft down on to Taliban positions, but the Officers on the ground have very little confidence that the aircraft are not going to hit them first.

Our incipient NCW plans may suffer defeat by [adversaries] using primitive but cagey techniques, inspired by an ideology we can neither match nor understand; or by an enemy who can knock out our vulnerable Global Positioning System or use electromagnetic pulse weapons on a limited scale, removing intelligence as we have construed it and have come to depend upon. Fighting forces accustomed to relying upon downlinks for information and commands would have little to fall back upon.
—Charles Perrow,



This over reliance on technology being foisted on us by American Strategic Policy, seems to equate with there not being enough boots on the ground, to take and hold ground. I could not understand why our forces do forays out of Bastian, occupy a village for two days, then have to return to Bastian after running out of ammunition or lack of manpower to hold a position. (Perhaps some military readers can explain this to me because I am missing the point)

From the purchasing of cheap Pakistani made ammunition that caused repeated jams in 30 calibre guns, this Government has sought to fight wars on the cheap, with no exit strategy.

The Defence of these Islands should be the sole concern of this Government, and working on the basis of 'a plan never survives the first contact' NEC seems a precarious system of defence to me.

Unless we do adopt a Swiss defence strategy, I would argue that we have little strategic reserves , no indigineous defence manufacturing capability and not enough trained forces to defend these islands.

Labour has to all intents and purposes left us defenceless, and would far rather devote resources to tracking its 'domestic enemies'.

Both Blair and Brown are guilty of the most profound dereliction of duty, the Defence of the Realm

51 comments:

Shirking From Home said...

What a depressing read. They truly are cunts.

Anonymous said...

OK, but what about our reserve stocks of piano wire ? How are we doing on that score ? Because we're gonna need a fuck of a lot by my reckoning...

Anonymous said...

A humiliating military defeat or economic collapse is the only way this country will realise what it is, a small western European nation with a colonial past, the sooner we face up to the realities of this and concentrate our energies inwards instead of pretending we are still a major world player the better.

Oldrightie said...

"Both Blair and Brown are guilty of the most profound dereliction of duty, the Defence of the Realm"

But great and superb duty in feathering their own nests and/or idealogy.

bofl said...

Labour putting people first-

themselves!

i really cannot understand how anyone in the forces could have any allegiance to blair/brown

The Penguin said...

Cunts the lot of them.

I can remember when we had a thriving defence industry.

TSR2 anyone?

The Penguin.

Guthrum said...

NEC has been around for five years, I take an interest in these things, but have not heard anything about this until evaluating LPUK defence policy.

I have not served in any military capacity, though a lot of my son's friends are out in Afghanistan, and say its not like on the tv, and cannot understand why the MSM have lost interest, four killed only gets a foot note, and the ritual HoC handwringing, which has become so ritualised as to be meaningless.

I would like to get some feedback from serving troops on this, that us civvies have no idea about, but just looks like the MOD has been taken over by marketing men, business consultants and accountants.

North Northwester said...

Nationwide conscription?
Not very libertarian but right up Hayek's street, of course.

And us social conservatives' street...
Sounds good to me.

rationalized redoubt said...

of course, if we conveniently lost the concept of 'country', it would cost considerably less to defend

Gareth said...

The MOD are their own worst enemy sometimes.

The plough on regardless with Euro-centric projects (Eurofighter, ERRF, FRES, Airbus A400M) and merrily throw loads of money at lumps of shit (special forces Chinooks illustrated in the blogpost) but through their own doing cock things up. We could have bought the Chinooks off the shelf but the MOD wanted their own stuff sticking in them. The order was started long ago. 1994 or some such date. It is a criminal waste of men and money that has seen our troops roll around in Land Rovers that were designed for The Troubles but are now facing explosively formed projectiles that can disable tanks. The lack of helicopters is killing people and blunting the sword of our army. The lack of mine resistant vehicles is doing the same.

This Government in particular has sent our lads and lasses off to fight two wars at the same time while only equipping them as peacekeepers.

US friendly fire would be less of a problem if we had an appropriate amount of ground attack aircraft of our own. The US Marines can stick massive guns under their Harriers I've never understood why we don't. Hawks, Tucanos, Jet Provosts/Strikemasters are used the world over for counter insurgency and ground attack roles. We use them for training and then spend upwards of £40k an hour operating Eurofighters that can't hang about long or they'll run out of fuel. Hell a fleet of Douglas Skyraiders would be much appreciated now and they've not been used since the Korean War I think.(Or maybe Vietnam)

They deploy no common sense. We've mothballed our Sea Harriers in preparation for the new jump jets available in... 2016. The daft cunts forget that we designed a successor to the Harrier decades ago but never built it. Our flourishing British Aerospace industry was world beating. We even had proper ground attack aircraft on the drawingboard to do the very job the US A-10s do. We don't even have any strategic bombers. Too long we have sheltered under the umbrella of NATO/The Americans and our military has been allowed to wither.

The Lynx helicopters designed for European climates are lacking in power in hot and high conditions. Hueys don't suffer. MD500s don't suffer. Black Hawks don't suffer. We make Bell 412s (4 rotor Hueys) under licence FFS but use them for training purposes. They would be a great airborne taxi but we've never used them offensively. Instead we have relied on less machines that get ever more complicated and vastly trimmed the training and maintenance sides of things as a consequence.

For the utter calamity that is the mandarin mentality at the MOD I reccommend you read http://defenceoftherealm.blogspot.com

patrick allen, governor of jamaica said...

it's these fucking poles that're the problem, the cunts've looted the fucking joint. no fucking loyalty to the british empire and its fucking values.

Anonymous said...

Way it is at the moment, if we were invaded we'd probably meet the invaders on the beaches with whoops of joy, offer them tea & biscuits & give them our A-Z's provided they promised to hang each & every NuLabour MP, after 24 - 48 hours of torture.

Emiliano said...

"The Defence of these Islands should be the sole concern of this Government"

Nice. Forget about health and education. Blow all the money on reduntant rust buckets. I bet the American partners are really happy about the arrangement and the 'special' bond which binds the two nations. And since when going to Afghanistan, Iraq and Sierra Leone (in case we forget) constitutes 'defence'? The nation was only attacked because of the moronic insistence of its leaders to lay their hands on other people's resources. We are going through another phase of colonialism, make no mistake. Only this time we're not dealing with African tribes waving sticks. We're dealing with peoples who can bite back-as they have. Leave them alone and you'll see that all of a sudden the need for 'defence' will disappear. And all of a sudden we'll have more funds for the NHS.

Guthrum said...

Why does the State have to provide you with Education and a Health Service ?

It is the most inefficient way of providing these services.

The NHS has hospitals that are death traps as far as infections are concerned,from personal knowledge new equipment installed has to have water filters attached, because of the bacteria floating in the water.

Nobody is prepared to accept that the NHS is a mammoth bureaucracy, and revert to private hospitals that only receive state funding and patients if they meet higher standards of cleanliness. It works in France and elsewhere, no everybody just looks to the States as a comparison to the the NHS.

And State Education has been a triumph has it ? We need to go over to the Swedish voucher system, that the Unions and socialists protested about then when it was a success all claimed credit for, and as it was popular with parents would not repeal it.

Too much tramline thinking that only the State can provide.

microdave said...

Gareth said... "We don't even have any strategic bombers."

Yes we do:http://www.raf.mod.uk/bbmf/theaircraft/lancaster.cfm

When I visited RAF Coningsby a few years back the mtce crew I spoke to told me that PA474 was the ONLY long range strategic heavy bomber on the RAF's inventory!

They were also very proud of the dispatch rate of their 60-70 year old aircraft - better than 90%, which compares with 50% at best for the current jet fleet. And they keep these lovely old machines flying for a tiny fraction of the money wasted on the rest of the RAF fleet.

Emiliano said...

It is a very dangerous thought that the state cannot provide. It is the sort of thinking which sold out services to the private sector and then blew the money in the four winds. If it doesn't work, make it work, don't sell it off. "Revert to private hospitals that only receive state funding and patients if they meet higher standards of cleanliness". Private practice leads to profiteering, end of story. The idea that private enterprise can at the same time be beneficial to the public would be considered naive had it not been a deliberate attempt to rob the public of what it rightfully owns. It's the same thing with 'public' transport. We know the agenda, sell it off to your mates, you travel by car and you're with BUPA anyway. Nationalisation of basic services is the only way. I personally view any hint at privatisation an attempt to deprive the lower classes of what is rightfully theirs, passing it off as 'the only way'. Yeah, pull the wool over their eyes and then rob them. Not any more.

Anonymous said...

Ha! You with Bupa, then, Guthrum?

Guthrum said...

State provision may not lead to profiteering, it leads in the opposite direction to massive losses,overmanning,incompetence and bureaucracy.

The NHS is not the only model nor is the US one, there are many different models of Health provision that are state funded and work. The NHS model is not working and has only been tinkered with in the last sixty years.

The concept that the 'lower' classes own any of these institutions is laughable, they are owned by the State

Old Holborn said...

Emiliano

"It is a very dangerous thought that the state cannot provide."

You arse.

Stalin, Mao, Hitler.

How many more millions need to die before you Socialists realise that the only reason the State wants to provide you with an education is so that it can dictate what is taught to children?

Defend the borders, police the streets. We can do everything else ourselves at half the price. Why do think the lower classes are poor?

From a welfare state to a totalitarian state is merely a matter of time.

Guthrum said...

15.07 I may be I may be not, that dumb remark is just a closer like shouting 'racist' when you have nothing to say and do not have the wit to think that there are other options.

Anonymous said...

You fucking idiot, Old Holborn - my parents were more than glad of the welfare state providing the basic needs so that they could help their children (me) to achieve what they could never have hoped to achieve, ie, an education. Yes - just that, an education. I'm grateful. If you don't have those basics, then you simply cannot move forward. You and your privatised health friend Guthrum are simply part of a blinkered self-serving elite. I wouldn't trust you as far as I could fucking throw you. Cunt.

Old Holborn said...

Too bloody right I'm with BUPA and have a private pension and own my home. I made sure I worked hard and got it.

The State still greedily sucks at my money for stuff I neither require or need though.

Bastards

Old Holborn said...

Anonymong

Your parents were either thick or lazy then.

Which was it?

Anonymous said...

Just money-poor with very few life chances.

Your argument is sooooo weak, if all you can do is attempt a personal attack. Poor old holborn.

Guthrum said...

I just love this being called part of an elite, you know nothing about me- it is just an assumption.

What sort of education did you get then, one that said don't think just accept.

I am going out in the Jag now to beat some proles for fun, then have tiffin.

Anonymous said...

"Your parents were either thick or lazy then.

Which was it?"

The sort that pays taxes and gets killed in theatres of war, worked the mines, drives buses, fixes your home, and yes, cleaning your shit in Bupa hospitals. It's called the working class you ignorant cunt. The one you despise and want to deprive of what little breadcrumbs your lot throws its way.

Anonymous said...

See so many twats sucking on the teat of the State bleating about their rights, wanting somebody else to pay.

Wankers

Anonymous said...

15.31

And follows Scargill and Brown like sheep

Old Holborn said...

"The sort that pays taxes and gets killed in theatres of war, worked the mines, drives buses, fixes your home, and yes, cleaning your shit in Bupa hospitals."

Hey, your choice.

Don't blame me if don't take responsibility for your own life. Poverty and ignorance are a choice.
Bet you're better at me on the PS3 though

Emiliano said...

I am glad to see that not everyone on this blog is a rightwing Bupa-insured cosied-up reactionary.

Anonymous said...

Reactionary !! From the Surveillance State Labour Voter- grow up

Anonymous said...

"Don't blame me if don't take responsibility for your own life. Poverty and ignorance are a choice.
Bet you're better at me on the PS3 though"

Choice. Nice word. I do have a job and can even afford Bupa, like yourself. However, I choose to claim through the NHS what is rightfully mine. You just went for the easy option, it's no wonder you're complaining about the way the State spends your taxes, you have your Bupa to pay as well. Hey, your choice.

Anonymous said...

15.39

There is no choice, you are compelled to pay NI

North Northwester said...

rationalized redoubt said...
"of course, if we conveniently lost the concept of 'country', it would cost considerably less to defend."

Yep - it would only cost us our lives, our heads, our freedom of religion or none, our homes, our property, our prosperity, our wives' and daughters' humanity, what's left of our democracy.

See, the Moslems who don't cheat (as so many of our lovely neighbours do cheat and get along fine) and ignore all the head-hacking Jew baiting stuff just can't wait to extend the Moslem community worldwide by force if possible or by stealth and the collaboration of infidel traitors if necessary.

And they've got God's permanent instruction to do so, as mediated by the Angel Gabriel into Mohammed's brain.

'Country' is a real thing in the same way that any insubstantial tool is real - such as the meaning of language or any other social bond.

Pacifists and anti-patriots; soulmates of conquerors and traitors from the word go.

Malthebof said...

Three requirements of a government
1 Defence of the Realm
2 Secure energy supplies
3 Secure food supply

This lot have failed all 3.
Don't think the colleagues in the EU will help when the going gets tough

NHS a fucked up germ centre not anywhere near you said...

Anonymong 15:39

"You just went for the easy option"

You fucking cunt.

The NHS SHOULD be the easy option you wanker. In your socialist fucking nirvana, why should anyone bother going private?

It's because the NHS is a bottomless shithole for public resources.

"It's the NHS" is right up there with the chav chant "It's for the kidddsss"

Grow a brain cunt, stop wasting my money on your failed, fucked up out dated worthless socialist shite

Anonymous said...

Current inadequate gas storage capacity is down to the original OFGAS forcing the then British Gas to dispose of its assets - without forcing BG's competitors to invest in similar volumes.

Gas in storage is not gas sold; so no one bother to store any.

Blame that prat McKinnon

The Penguin said...

Guthrum,

A good place to learn about the services from the horses "mouth" as it were is the ARRSE forums.

http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewforum/f=3.html

Not politically correct in many cases, but they soo make life there intolerable for walts and wankers, so it is generally authentic and to the point.

The Penguin.

good connections said...

17:03

Yep - it would only cost us our lives, our heads, our freedom of religion or none, our homes, our property, our prosperity, our wives' and daughters' humanity, what's left of our democracy.

we've already paid that price for the privilege of having a war-mongering christian dominated democracy, except nowadays we pay our tithes with loans from the islamic blood-bank - baghdad, kabul, and kandahar branches.

when was the last time islam was spread to a non-islamic country 'by force'?

if 'country' is a 'real thing', how come it's worth shit and means shit to me and many others who live in it.

if 'country' is such a real thing in the same way that any insubstantial tool is real - such as the meaning of language or any other social bond then please feel free to stick it up your arse.

ps: i am not muslim, but you are paranoid.

North Northwester said...

good connections..."we've already paid that price for the privilege of having a war-mongering christian dominated democracy, except nowadays we pay our tithes with loans from the islamic blood-bank - baghdad, kabul, and kandahar branches."

YES INDEEDY GC, The Islamists have been slaughtering unbelievers, oppressing women, killing Jews and wanting to take the whole world for 1300 years, but you want to start counting from after they bombed World Trade Center for a second time.

when was the last time islam was spread to a non-islamic country 'by force'?
Let's see. It's happening in the non-Moslem parts of Thailand, Malaysia, pretty much throughout all of North and Eastern Africa, everywhere in America, Britain, Denmark, Norway, France, Italy, where infidels like me fear to tread, and of course in the formerly Christian parts of 'Palestine' like Bethlehem. Plus every bloody excursion into Israel might be the last, and successful one, though I have to say that they've been on the retreat in the Levant of late..


if 'country' is a 'real thing', how come it's worth shit and means shit to me and many others who live in it.

Because you're some deracinated enemy of our civilisation and culture, I'd guess; from your words, punctuation, vocabulary and your, er, 'ideas.'

if 'country' is such a real thing in the same way that any insubstantial tool is real - such as the meaning of language or any other social bond then please feel free to stick it up your arse.

You're SO persuasive. Let's see: what should I do next?
A) base my opinions and words on the things I do know about and take care to inform myself in the very large areas of my ignorance, or..
B) accept the screed of someone who is obviously pretty slim due to spending years on the Internet Diet; you know the one where you sit at a computer and lose a lot of weight, a little at a time, every single day.
Tell me, have you ever had anyone else present when you achieved crisis?

ps: i am not muslim, but you are paranoid.

You're a dhimmi, by the sound of it: not actually a Moslem, but prepared at the drop of a kaftan to spit-polish any passing Islamist's cranberry squid.

Now, if you want paranoia, look at the past 3 months' worth of peaceful co-existence, read this

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

Anonymous said...

Nice to see that "Libertarians" are just another bunch of self important self serving twats who apparently don't need the rest of society to get on in life.

I thought thats why we were fucked, we've to many people like that already.

Katabasis said...

Double standards!? What are you talking about?.....

if the Arab and Islamic countries mobilized 10% of what they are doing now for Gaza they could have prevented the "genocide" committed by Khartoum in Darfur against innocent and unarmed citizens.

"I feel my son was badly failed by a school that believes racism is only ever something that is carried out by white pupils."

Funambulist said...

'We are going through another phase of colonialism, make no mistake.'

We certainly are, Emiliano. We're being rapidly colonised by 8th century religious fanatics equipped with all the high octane intellectual power that comes with thirteen centuries of banging your head on the carpet five times a day and impregnating your first cousins at every opportunity.

And no, it's not happening by conquest, but because a corrupt political elite enjoys playing 'ant farm' with our lives and our children's, and selling us out wholesale for whatever they can get. Pretty much like those African kings and chieftains who used to sell their own people as slaves to any stranger with a bagful of bling.

Sounds like you can't wait for you 'n' yours to be 'booty'.

Mr Ecks said...

OH

You must be moving up in the world, what with Annoymong and Zapata or whoever--a developing community of your very own trolls. Think its Dollys latest YTS intake being given a trial run before being unleashed on Gweeds?

Anonymous said...

Mr Ecks, you arse-kisser! 'Self-important and self-serving' is about right for you lot! Fucking libertarians my arse - it is not libertarian to dismiss individual human beings by putting them into boxes labelled 'islamist' or 'chav' or whichever label happens to press your small-mindedness buttons on any particular day.

Anonymous said...

Boderick...

I am a "poor as a church mouse" Libertarian, who is scared witless for the safety of my partner, who has to have an operation in an NHS hospital. Why can't socialists go and create a socialists get their pal George Sorros to by an Island where they can socialise to their hearts content. Why do you cunts want to interfere in my Fucking life. You make me sick you Fascist Wankers. What you never ever admit to is that you always have to resort to violence to make people see the way you want the world to be. Damn your eyes.

well-routed said...

19:50

you want to start counting from after they bombed World Trade Center for a second time

exactly, nnw, i concentrate on the present - because, i am neither christian nor muslim, i am non-religious, and see no point in going back over century upon century of misdeeds by major world religions to whom i bear absolutely no allegiance. i would judge, however, that, over the past century and in the present, it is the christians who have been and are, aggressively suppressing and exploiting islamic populations, whilst the violence perpetrated by islamic factions is self-defensive - that said, i do not condone the slaughter of civilians and note that muslim action is now mainly focussed on repelling the invasions of iraq and afghanistan. i have not heard of islamic governments and their armies attacking and overthrowing non-islamic governments - the forces which you perceive to be engaged in a struggle to spread islam are internal to the countries which you perceive. from my experience, i perceive only a struggle by muslims to defend their lives.

in fact, i do not spend all my time on the internet, and wish i could find more time for this kind of debate, but i have real life and real problems to which i must attend - unlike you, whom i suspect to be a fictitious islamophobe intent on provoking me.

Tell me, have you ever had anyone else present when you achieved crisis?

You're a dhimmi, by the sound of it: not actually a Moslem, but prepared at the drop of a kaftan to spit-polish any passing Islamist's cranberry squid.

i do not understand what you mean by these vague jargonistic statements.

spark up said...

00:57

in my case, the complete reverse - i am no longer inclined to grace the comments section of guido fawkes with the eloquent and subtle strokes of my lyrical landscaping and dainty decor.

fuck off

North Northwester said...

you want to start counting from after they bombed World Trade Center for a second time
exactly, nnw, i concentrate on the present –

No, you don’t; someone who is knowledgeable in the present is so because they know something worthwhile in the past. Which you obviously don’t.

because, i am neither christian nor muslim, i am non-religious, and see no point in going back over century upon century of misdeeds by major world religions to whom i bear absolutely no allegiance.

But people act according to their beliefs.
If you get a religion based on ideas such as ‘blessed are the peacemakers’ and ‘blessed are the poor then you may eventually, some of the time get a polity based on respecting peace and caring for the poor.
If you base a religion on a historical process that leads to the dictatorship of the proletariat you get a dictatorship…over the proletariat. And 140,000,000 deaths from 1848 to 1979.
If you base a religion on a god who says that all those who do not follow him are damned and should be conquered for all time and that women and Jews are particularly defective and cursed for evermore, you get Islam. Not just the nice twiddly bits of cute architecture and the couple of bits of borrowed or looted science beginning with ‘al’: instead you get TV stations where the furry animal-suited presenters disappear one by one as they are killed by Zionists or volunteer to go off to be suicide bombers, and girls murdered by the authorities because being raped is illicit sex, and college students and graduates piloting passenger aircraft into office blocks.

i would judge, however, that, over the past century and in the present, it is the christians who have been and are, aggressively suppressing and exploiting islamic populations,

What, the teeny bit of rule over the Moslem part of the Raj? True enough, I suppose, and no picnic for the ousted ruling castes and classes, but we also abolished slavery and widow-killing along the way {blessed are the peacemakers, the poor and the meek] and as far as I know of no Muslim anywhere has invented a fuel sources or a mining drill, but I could be wrong.
So we bought the oil at knock-down prices. We still buy the oil [but are knocked down by the Chinese] , and drill and prospect for it and design the refineries and the pipelines but our police don’t march schoolgirls back into burning schools because they aren’t decently veiled which is what the Saudis [whom we don’t govern]do.

whilst the violence perpetrated by islamic factions is self-defensive –

The permanent injunction to conquer the world isn’t “factional” – it’s the everlasting word of Allah – which all Muslims are supposed to follow unquestioningly. Thank god many of them miss that bit out! The occupants of the World Trade Centre weren’t attacking anyone, nor are most of the daily victims of Islamism aggression every day, nor were the people on the London Tube or in Glasgow airport or in Madrid, or Bombay, or the Sri Lankan cricket team or the Argentinian Jewish quarter, or all over north and east Africa or Malaysia

that said, i do not condone the slaughter of civilians

Yes you do. If you don’t take care to understand its scriptural source as part of the permanent fundamental structure of Islam then you certainly DO condone violence because you’re disguising it from and excusing it to the Westerners who ought to be be involved with resisting it and defending against it, plus the poor bloody terrified Muslim parents of the lads who’ve just dropped cricket lessons and stopped shaving and are talking about a travel year….

and note that muslim action is now mainly focussed on repelling the invasions of iraq and afghanistan.

Except where Muslim ‘action’ is extending Muslim control in Darfur, Thailand, Malaysia, Pakistan, Algeria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iran, London, Luton, Leicester, Leeds.

i have not heard of islamic governments and their armies attacking and overthrowing non-islamic governments –

Except for all of Arabia, North Africa and Egypt and Anatolia and Spain and the Balkans and the Levant and Iran and Iraq and Afghanistan and North India and Central Asia and Malaysia and all those little places whose native Christian, Buddhists or polytheist cultures were wiped out and the survivors enslaved…do you know anything, and I mean ANYTHING, about Islam?


the forces which you perceive to be engaged in a struggle to spread islam are internal to the countries which you perceive. from my experience, i perceive only a struggle by muslims to defend their lives.

Except for the thousands of suicide bombers and planters of booby traps in Iraq who count for the majority of the casualties in the war there, and the rockets that rain down daily on all those threatening Israeli cucumber farms and orchards with their pointed fruit and vegetables that are THIS close from being turned into Zionist mud pies.

in fact, i do not spend all my time on the internet, and wish i could find more time for this kind of debate, but i have real life and real problems to which i must attend -

I’m real enough, and my weekend real life involved seven hours of goth belly dancing (that’s traditional Arabic and Turkish folk dancing with a rock and roll beat: ol’ islamaphobic me, and more next weekend), precious little blogging apart from the thing about dogs, an hour or so trying help write an appeal against a pay cut which my rose-food trade union has managed to negotiate for me, the swines, reading three-quarters of a Terry Pratchett book, and spoke to a growing number of friends in person. Oh, and I lost no weight at all over the internet.


unlike you, whom i suspect to be a fictitious islamophobe

I’m a real islamaphobe. That death cult with the bomb and the oil money scares me rigid. But then I’m scared of Communism with its 140 million dead, and Nazism and fascism with their 40(?) million.{Somewhat quiescent these days but who knows what's around the corner in Europe nowadays?]

intent on provoking me.

Tell me, have you ever had anyone else present when you achieved crisis? You're a dhimmi, by the sound of it: not actually a Moslem, but prepared at the drop of a kaftan to spit-polish any passing Islamist's cranberry squid.

Hey, I aimed this abuse at “good connections”, not you - “well-connected”. GC - he /she/it introduced the word ‘arse’ to which I elegantly replied.

i do not understand what you mean by these vague jargonistic statements.

Do yourself a favour.

Just one.

Look up the word Dhimmi on t‘internet.

It’s not vague. It is technical. If you treat the first three authors who mention it as human beings, you might learn something.

Maybe even a fact or two about real Islam; not the fairytale fantasy of the multiculturialist appeasers who call it a Religion of Peace.

Or just read this.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

i ate christians coz great uncle leo choked on one in the colosseum said...

19:20

you want to start counting from after they bombed World Trade Center for a second time
exactly, nnw, i concentrate on the present –

No, you don’t; someone who is knowledgeable in the present is so because they know something worthwhile in the past. Which you obviously don’t.


i wasn't around in the past, hence my reluctance to start counting from anywhere - but at least i recognize that both islam and christianity have been used as holy swords of suppression, murder and pillage. you have a blind spot for christian sanctified bloodsports - including the current rape of the middle east. i do not believe that you have experienced some past golden age of christianity any more than i have.

if men base religion on any form of sacred mystical scripture, someone like you will inevitably interpret the verses as a war-cry - whether these verses be christian or islamic.

the british may have abolished slavery, but only after profitting from it in other parts of the world - and then replacing it with colonial exploitation. by the way, the muslim mathematicians left our modern engineers a rich legacy on which to build.

saudia arabia is an authoritarian islamic state - supported uncoincidentally by western governments including our own.

it's a shame christians can't miss out the bit in the bible about liquidizing innocent civilians in afghanistan and iraq.

you admit that amongst muslims there is doctrinal dispute about the tenets of islam, yet fail to understand that all-out occupation and repression of islamic lands by western armies can only encourage more fundamental and extreme readings of the qu'ran. as you say, just the localized self-defensive form of jihad is now commonly accepted in modern islam.

there is already 'muslim control' in the countries that you mention - except for London, Luton, Leicester and Leeds where there is no violent 'action' to extend islamism.

Except for all of Arabia, North Africa and Egypt and Anatolia and Spain and the Balkans and the Levant and Iran and Iraq and Afghanistan and North India and Central Asia and Malaysia and all those little places whose native Christian, Buddhists or polytheist cultures were wiped out and the survivors enslaved…do you know anything, and I mean ANYTHING, about Islam?

no, i do not know a great deal about islam save that it has not been in the ascendancy as a world-dominating power for many years. i was referring to the current times and flows.

however misguided and wrong, it is false to assume that suicide-bombers in iraq and rocketeers in palestine are not engaged in a struggle to defend their lives against forces collaborating with the west, or against forces stirred up by western intervention.

one belly dance a dhimmi doth not make, i'm sure you'l be glad to know - it was 'cranberry squid' which i did not fully grasp.

i have no compunction to further my religious instruction in peace - neither christian or islamic. religiosity does not equate with peace - especially under your spiritual guidance.

Anonymous said...

if we address the governments level of strategic incompetence let us not forget:-

1)Technology base sale of UK capability to Europe unchallenged and closure of UK facilities once IPR has been transferred.

2)Move to service industries
Mcdonalds and Banking

3) Emphasis on the Creative industries arts and fashion whoose products are imported.

4) Importation of footwear and clothing little indigenous manufacture.

5) Complicity in destruction of agricultural market sectors.
Farcicle management by DEFRA of EU relief for farmers.

6) Immigration a treasonable criminal immigration policy.

7) Dumming down and Politicization of Education (e.g. Dianne Abbot video).

8) State sanctioned theft from pension funds.

9) Implementation of surveillance state while opertating an open border policy wasting millions.

10) Deliberate policy to discriminate againts white people (Racism can only legally be undertaken against ethnic minorities)

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