Sunday, 8 February 2009

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

Nowhere to hide, plenty to fear.

(picture summarily abducted from here)

I am sick of hearing this.

In every conversation about Ingsoc's latest e-voyeur database plans, someone always comes out with 'If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear' delivered in that smug tone that implies 'I'll bet you're afraid because you're hiding something'. The thought police must be so proud of that.

Yes, I am hiding something. A lot of things. So are you.

Okay then, here's the challenge. If you truly, absolutely believe that you have nothing to hide, if you really believe there is nothing to fear, post your name. Your address. Your NI number and passport and driver's licence numbers. Your bank details along with how much is in each account. Your children's names and ages and where they go to school. Your mother's maiden name and your account numbers for electricity and gas supplies. The name of your mortgage provider.

What's that? Invasion of privacy, you say? Oh, but you have nothing to hide and therefore nothing to fear. Your government has all those details and many more. Every official who feels like it can have a peek. So what's hidden, really? You have nothing to fear, do you?

Ah, but I hear some discontented rumblings. This information should not be handed out lightly. Someone might use it to hijack your life and steal all your money, or take out huge loans and leave you to pay them. All that is true. But you have nothing to fear, because you have nothing to hide, so post away.

Where did you go on holiday? Who went with you? When did you last use your credit card? What did you buy? Who did you phone? Who did you email? Which websites have you visited?

Don't want to answer? Why not? If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear and your government already has all this information anyway. On databases, linked and cross referenced and entrusted to private companies, not all of them UK-based.

It's different though, you think. Your information is safer with the government than with just any unknown blogger. You really believe that? Then name the officials, clerks, office juniors and janitors who have access to that information in your files. You no more know them than you know me, so what's the difference?

There is one difference, in fact.

I won't put your details on a disk or USB stick and leave them around for just anyone to find. In that respect, you can trust me with your details more than you can trust your government.

Nothing to hide? Nothing you want to keep to yourself? Nothing?

It is a true statement in the end. He who has nothing to hide has nothing to fear, but he who has nothing to hide has nothing at all. We all have information we want kept private. We all have passwords and bank details and travel plans we don't want broadcast or left on a train. We all have something to hide.

Thanks to Labour, we now all have a great deal to fear.

So, smug Righteous out there, can we finally drop this 'nothing to hide' nonsense? It's never been true about any of us. If you stop and think for a moment, you'll realise it was never true about you either.


Old Holborn said...

I have everything to hide

My life.

It's MINE. It belongs to me, not anyone else.

Interestingly, in the comments section of an earlier post, someone suggested that I would agree with the BNP manifesto on law and order. Which basically consists of executing people they don't like.

So I'll throw down a challenge

Name ONE State that has the death penalty that HASN'T used it to kill their political opponents.

If you have nothing to hide....

Excellent post Leg Iron.

The Economic Voice said...

This is an excellent piece Leg Iron. Love it. Now all you need to do is post an on line form for the righteous to fill in and some web space to publish the results.

Any takers?

Anonymous said...

It is not so much the tyrants who serve to enslave us who one must a'fear, but the gutless-liberal lefty cretins who have allowed such a situation to occur in the first place by jumping on the latest 'trendy' campaign bandwagon - be it climate change/congestion charge/gaza/huntingdon life science et al - which has served to divert people away from actually resisting the tyrany of Statism!


Great piece indeed; says succinctly what all of us on here (except perhaps the bizarre Dolly Draper) and any sane person out there feels; that we have absolutely everything to hide. It's called 'self possession'.
Unfortunately, for the intellectually mediocre and the easily duped, the idea that one has nothing to hide is seen as a badge of honour, a symbol of pride, of being better than one's neighbours. One of the reasons that the Nazi party was able to gain so much support from the suburbs; it allowed people to complain about and report on others and generally work out all their spites and hates and pettinesses within a legal framework.

Anonymous said...

When next, someone approaches with the 'if you have nothing to hide, then there's no need to fear etc.' statement, just ask them if whenever they have moved house, how much stuff did they come across which they forgot they had or even remembered aquiring, the fact that they may be totally innocent items is immaterial, the fact is that we all have things lurking which 'we have forgotten about.'

K. McEgan. said...

We have come a long way from FDRs "We have nothing to fear but fear itself". I love the fact that these pilgrims have exempted themselves from the Childrens database.Oh and their rich pals.As to the nazis,well,the Venetian Republic knew all about anonymous denouncing 300 yrs before Adolf.

Lord Elvis of Paisley said...

Well said

Anonymous said...

These powers perhaps tie in to what the BBC Licensing were hinting at when they mentioned that even if people watched BBC programmes on the internet, they had the ways and means of knowing who was watching and what they were watching. At the time the BBC released this statement they also mentioned that they would not give away the methods used, is that because they knew what was coming?

Obviously the BBC is a tool of the State, and is and ideal foil which can be used as cover for any 'ulterior' motive

AngryDave said...

Well said Leg Iron! As you stated, it is not all about dirty little secrets. It's about ownership of your life, you home, as well as freedom and personal choice.

Lord Elvis of Paisley said...

Hope you don't mind but I've reproduced this on my blog for reference (with appropriate credit of course). If you want it removed, let me know.

Leg-iron said...

Lord Elvis, and anyone else, copy it anywhere. It's public domain as far as I'm concerned.

OH the intellectual heavyweight of blogging said...

Old Holborn said...
I have everything to hide

My life.

It's MINE. It belongs to me, not anyone else.

Interestingly, in the comments section of an earlier post, someone suggested that I would agree with the BNP manifesto on law and order. Which basically consists of executing people they don't like.

So I'll throw down a challenge

Name ONE State that has the death penalty that HASN'T used it to kill their political opponents.

If you have nothing to hide....

Excellent post Leg Iron.

08 February 2009 22:02

Been away and come back to more insane ramblimblings from OH, here in his la la land!

The (previously) democratic UK is your answer OH!

Now isn't it about time you had some medication and give up the claptrap, it's getting rather boring exposing your stupidity!

Anonymous said...

Cretin 04:18

I think he means currently, not half a century ago.

It's been a long night Derek, time for bed.

Anonymous said...

Fucking bastards.

Anonymous said...

Look into my eyes, you have nothing to fear.

Name: Jacqui 'Spliff' Smith
Address: Please refer to my sister.

Accounts numbers: Not in the public interest.

Family details: National security.

Anonymouslemming said...

If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear shitizen!

But by god, we're not going to show you our expenses that you pay for!

Guthrum said...

The (previously) democratic UK is your answer OH!

And a neo fascist state is the answer to Statism is it ?

If you do not like being bored, go away and take you nanosececond attention span with you

Anonymous said...

Local councils have been using RIPA to access personal information, (including internet usage)apparently more than MI5 and the police. Your neighbour/relative could well be a council employee who deals with your data as part of an admin job for example.

Can anyone, hand on heart, say that they feel comfortable with that?

Anonymous said...

"The (previously) democratic UK is your answer OH!"

Er.... Was Guy Fawkes not a political opponent of the state?

Kippers Dickie said...

A secret police intelligence unit, (The Confidential Intelligence Unit), has been set up to spy on Left-wing and Right-wing political groups.
The unit is being set up by the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) and will be based at Scotland Yard. ACPO is a private limited company and is NOT subject to the Freedom of Information Act. In other words it sits outside of parliamentary and judicial oversight.

THEY have something to hide, WE have everything to fear.

Lord Turdburgler of Cesspool said...

Well said, Leg Iron.

Anonymous said...

I have nothing to hide, that's why I don't draw my curtains at night.

Dave said...

Good post.
So if I've nothing to hide will the bastards keep torturing us until I admit I have?

Think- Spanish Inquisition
think- Salem witchhunt
think- Stalin

What next?

Anonymous said...

"Interestingly, in the comments section of an earlier post, someone suggested that I would agree with the BNP manifesto on law and order. Which basically consists of executing people they don't like."

That's shite and you know it.

You keep banging on about how oh-so wonderfully free you are, OH.

Well then, tell me, just how free do you think you or your children will be when they have to bow down and accept their state of Dhimmitude, or convert to Islam ?

How do you think you'll fit in, in an Islamic Republic, OH ?

And right on cue, here come some of your lentil-munching 'colleagues' (disillusioned old lefties most of them, I expect) to shout me down for being a (shock, horror) 'Fascist'...

Antipholus Papps said...

In 1933, on hearing about Hitler's decree whereby Jews were required to stitch a yellow 'J' into their clothing, the Jewish Council of Germany issued a statement saying: "we have done nothing wrong, what could we possibly have to fear?"

Sometimes historical fact takes precedence over avoiding Godwin's Law.

Who let the sycophants in? said...

Anonymous said...
"The (previously) democratic UK is your answer OH!"

Er.... Was Guy Fawkes not a political opponent of the state?

09 February 2009 08:41

How far back would you like to go for an ill fitting and irrelevant answer to OH's ill fitting and irrelevant question, Anonymong?

But i will indulge your pea brain as well as the other sycophants -

First Guido is a poor example because Guido was a terrorist, he plotted and tried to KILL people for political/religious reasons - i will say it again - he tried to kill people - not canvas voters!

Had he been murdered for simply being in the wrong political party then perhaps you would have a poorly fitting case with at least some connection to the issue.

What we are discussing here - murder on the grounds of political dissent, not the hanging of terrorists!

Further more rememeber i said `democratic` when indulging OH in his nonsense and drivel, the country was not fully democratic until 1928 when all peoples of adult age could vote.

Also only land owning males had the vote before 1867, full(at least semi-workable) democracy and accountable goverment came after this date.

As i have stated in the past Democracy is the key, for ALL liberties and basic rights.

Before this time it would be easy easy for elites to abuse the political/legal system to pretty much murder anyone they wished as accountability to the people was often rather lacking.

So we can now take it that i am talking relatively modern times and with accountable/democratic goverment.

Once accountability/democracy goes then the abuse by the elites begins.

The kind of people who would murder political opponents do NOT need excisting laws based on punishment for murderers, as they would simply create one once they had total power anyway.

So OH's point is moot and quite laughable!

Capital punishment for murderers in a democratic accountable political system has absolutely no relevance to political murder, as once political murder has began democratic accountability is usually zero and any laws intended for dangerous Murderers would make no difference either way.

Democratic accountability and basic democratic rights is the key issue here, not capital punishment.

The Trojan horse said...

I would just like to add that the BNP have stated that they would give the British people a referendum, on the death penalty.

The people would get to choose - NOT the party.

The BNP have stated they are keen to make use of referendums to decide on certain policies.

Thas is about as democratic as you can get!

The Lib/Lab/Cons won't even let you decide who rules your country and ends your democracy!

When Cameron first became leader he stated that He would not give the people a referendum on the EU Constitution!

Say goodbye to democracy, say hello to death camps/gulags.

Cameron will be the EU's final trojan horse.

Old Holborn said...

"We support the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals, and the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, as by DNA evidence or being caught red-handed."

Until the State can repair an execution, it has no right to perform them.

The BNP would have executed Mandela, Ghandi and most of Sinn Fein.

Thanks but no thanks.

If you want real democracy, look no further than Switzerland.

it's either banned or compulsory said...

With PCSOs being penalised for wrongful access to Police computers ( no doubt to spy on their girlfriends' Ex ) what possible right does the state have to say that any of our data is secure ( that's assuming that they have the right to colate it in the first place ).

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