Tuesday, 3 February 2009

Free speech, almost.

Jo Brand, pictured moments before the Terrible Thing happened. She still has the dress.

(picture extraordinarily renditioned from here)


A large woman in a sack, of bloated body and ill-fitting face, has apparently said something bad about the BNP. I don't care about that at all, although if it's illegal to say bad things about some groups then it should be illegal to say similarly bad things about all groups.

Actually, I think it should be legal - nay, compulsory - to say bad things about all political parties in alphabetical order, once a day and in public. Just to keep them on their toes. Sadly, our ruling Righteous prefer it the other way round. Except when it suits them.

So it is with Mary Moneypot MEP, when discussing the latest TV nonsense that nobody with a brain watched anyway. She does not regard the BNP as people, she regards them as seventies knuckle-dragging skinheads with a dotted line and 'cut here' tattooed around their necks, and backwards swastikas on their foreheads because they put them there with a school compass and Quink while looking in a mirror. I met some of them in the early eighties when they were on the wane. I was left in some doubt as to whether they would even recognise the image in the mirror as themselves. These were not thought criminals. They were criminals, mostly, but there was no thought involved.

They weren't BNP, but they were the creatures the current party evolved from, and the current lot are far more eloquent and far less terrifying, although they still have some scary policies. Very few of those skinheads remain but one or two still wander the streets looking for Red Stripe and ska music and people to hit. Most of the current BNP membership and supporters are - breathe the words softly - ordinary people. Most of them, in fact, are ex-Labour supporters. I have no problem with the rank and file, but I could never vote for their 'repatriation' policies. Some of those they'd throw out have been here far longer than my own family and once they're all gone, who'd be next?

So Jo Brand, a sack of potatoes with a melted head on top, said something bad about a political party. I do that all the time and not just one, but many. I've groaned at the Gorgon's Goblins, I've cursed the Cameroids, and I'd belittle Clegg and his Last of the Summer Whine party if they ever did anything worth mentioning. I've ridiculed the Little Green Men and poked fun at Al the Oily Fish and his Scottish Nut Parade. Nobody is immune. Not even Nick 'No damn foreigners' Griffin. If it came to a writ, I wouldn't have a leg to stand on because they'd be pawned to pay the fines.

Jo 'Bin-bag' Brand is censured for that one comment. I can't help laughing because she's fallen foul of the 'Verbal offence is worse than murder' attitude of her very own party. Yes, she's one of the Gorgon's. Before she gave her support to them, she looked like the picture above. Moments later... well you've seen what it did to her.

The Moneypot doesn't like to see such blatant victimisation of a horizontally challenged sufferer of 'Gordon's face syndrome'. These speech censors don't apply to her own side, and certainly not when the offence is directed at someone she doesn't like. She maintains, however, that she is a supporter of free speech. As she says...

Living in a democracy means that sometimes you have to listen to points of view that you disagree with. Personally, I found the performances of Bernard Manning or Alf Garnet, extremely offensive, for example. But I don’t think that either should have been put in prison and had the key thrown away.

I quite agree. I don't like Jonathan Ross but if he's popular and gets the ratings, let him have his show. He's a gobshite, for sure, and he's proved it repeatedly but the BBC knew that when they hired him and anyone watching him knows what to expect. I don't watch him so I don't feel the need to complain about him. Likewise Jo's malignant afterbirth, Russel Brand who resembles a hairy cancerous wart and is about as entertaining. Don't like it, don't watch it. There are better things to do.

But she can't resist. Moneypot spoils that paragraph, and her free speech credentials, by ending with this:

There are other ways of dealing with this kind of thing and today that kind of content would not be tolerated.

Sometimes you have to listen to points of view that you disagree with. Unless you can censor them before anyone hears them by stating that such content will not be tolerated. Then you don't have to listen to them. Free speech if it's the right kind of speech, but not if it's non-Righteous free speech.

Bernard Manning skirted the bounds of decency and was excised from our screens for it. He did not suggest we send 'poo' through the post to anyone. Alf Garnett was openly racist but he was a character, not a real person, and his racism was derided and made fun of throughout those programs. He was not inciting anyone to send poo through the post. Neither of them phoned elderly actors and crowed about shagging their granddaughters (although I'm sure Manning would have if he'd thought of it).

Mary Moneypot supports free speech if she likes what you say but not if she doesn't. You can be as abusive as you like to those she doesn't like but you can't spoil her politically correct multicultural Nirvana by saying anything she doesn't like.

Free speech does, indeed, mean that you will hear things you disagree with very strongly indeed. It also means that the person saying those things has the right to say them without being criminalised for it. All you need do is disagree or not listen.

It means we have to hear what Mary Moneypot has to say. It apparently does not mean that she has to hear anyone else.

But then, who in the Labour party has ever heard anyone else?

18 comments:

electro-kevin said...

What an excellent post. Easily the better of most paid journalists.

Opinion doesn't matter, differences are rarely reconciled and conversions almost never.

That's why there are ballot boxes. That's why sometimes there are wars.

Those that hold power don't listen.

What we are seeing emerge in Lincolnshire is a manifestation of economic plight. There are injustices against British workers for sure - this is not an issue of xenophobia nor is it protectionism. (I can repeat the excellent and compelling Daily Mirror article by John Cruddas if you want)

"It's the economy, stupid !"

Imported labour is where the cracks will show in the socialist edifice - no argument, no spin, no newspeak can save them from this.

Anonymous said...

She was just being a luvvie. No matter how tedious it is for the rest of us she may well have had a pop at the daily mail as well. This seems to be a contractual obligation for BBC luvvies.

From her point of view it would have been a safe, if not very funny comment to make. These ever so outspoken and "controversial" comedians/presenters know that they arent going to be knifed or blown up by the BNP membership. However have you noticed how circumspect these "edgy" jesters are with respect to certain other communities? How they maintain a respectful silence?

The Penguin said...

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Churchill

The Penguin.

Is Guido a state agent? said...

What kind of a fake is Guido?

Is he a state stooge set up to stir up discontent and apathy with the public over MPs and politics in general, making it easier to dismantal our democracy? for now he will gleefully hand over to the same crew of interchangerble NWO stooge Tories and the EU?

Supporting fat Ken FFS!

Why has he not blogged on the main issue of the day, one that REALLY could impact on the NWO stooge parties, one that really could bring back some of our democratic power - the wildcat strikes??

NOTHING ABSOLUTLY NOTHING - not a whisper!

Do you not find this most strange given all his claims?

Is it because to do so would not be the deflection that his blog is meant to be?

Is it because there is no spin that could work seeing as both the Tories and Labour back the destruction of our jobs to appease their new world order masters which is the real issue in politics not the trivia and propaganda that moron puts up.

This is why i come here, there is the bigger picture, no cover up, no BS.

The guy is a honey trap, a fake.

Hain a red herring, a small token NWO sacrifice who still has his job!

Most curious that he has a background in British intelligence also!

Guido is a fake - worse than a fake, a honeytrap and a distraction from the real problem, the real problem even the controlled media can no longer avoid!

He supports all that is NWO and PC and just focusses on the tivia.

Anyone who now calls out the NWO and the EU are `headbangers` yet the NWO policy could not be more clearly spelt out.

Old Holborn said...

You come here because we don't moderate and you are a moonbat.

more half baked drivel! said...

OH

BNP repatriation policies!

Have you actually read the manifesto? no one legally here would be forced to go anywhere.

As for Jo Brand she was calling for illegal activity against ordinary BNP members, she was not attacking the party but calling on people to attack members of the public.

In future try to avoid writing half baked crap, you're starting to sound like the BBC.

Dave H said...

Jeremy Hardy once suggested that BNP voters should be shot in the head. Which is why the BBC won't touch him with a barge-pole.

Anonymous said...

Instead of Labour crushing Strikes Guido gives us - wait for it - stat porn!

Kevin said...

Leg-iron said: "if it's illegal to say bad things about some groups then it should be illegal to say similarly bad things about all groups"

Perhaps you meant to say: "if it's legal to say bad things about some groups then it should be legal to say similarly bad things about all groups"

Old Holborn said...

No Kevin,

I don't want things to be "legal". I want things to be "illegal".

As far as I am concerned everything is legal unless there is a law against it. Your defination assumes everything is illegal unless I have permission.

It is a fundamental difference, and one that ZNL have changed over the last 11 years.

Anonymous said...

Dave H said...
Jeremy Hardy once suggested that BNP voters should be shot in the head. Which is why the BBC won't touch him with a barge-pole.

03 February 2009 09:27

He is regularly on Radio 4?

Anonymous said...

Free Speech is under attack globally. The International Free Press Society has been formed to combat the loss of this essential freedom: http://www.internationalfreepresssociety.org/

Dave said...

"Most of the current BNP membership and supporters are - breathe the words softly - ordinary people. Most of them, in fact, are ex-Labour supporters. "

I fear that the BNP will do very well in the general election (if we have one that is. I don't trust this gummint one iota)
My fear is based on the rise of the nazis in 1930s Germany. Ordinary people put them into power as well.

Old Holborn said...

If you want to know what a BNP government would look like, just watch V for Vendetta

It's based on it happening.

If the BNP get in, I shall claim asylum in Switzerland

Kevin said...

"As far as I am concerned everything is legal unless there is a law against it. Your defination assumes everything is illegal unless I have permission."

Actually, my definition is pretty much the same as yours. I'm not sure how you could infer otherwise.

All I meant to do was to point out that if one believes in free speech it would be better to call for the abolition of laws that curb free speech, rather than call for the extension of these laws to cover more groups, which seems like a bit of an arse-over-tit way of making a point.

It's now illegal to smoke in an enclosed public place? Well, we should make it illegal to drink in an enclosed public place too! That'll show 'em. Who's with me?

Leg-iron said...

I wasn't calling for the extension of laws to cover more groups, but the equal application of existing laws to all groups. So if it's illegal to threaten a Muslim group, it should be equally illegal to threaten BNP members. Threats and intimidation are, and should be illegal, in which case they must apply to everyone.

Insults are different. Saying it's illegal to insult or offend people is just silly. It is, but only for certain groups.

The difference OH pointed out is a big one. It's the difference between a country where you can say or do anything you like as long as it's not illegal, and a country where you can't say or do anything unless there's a law that says you can.

The first allows you to live as you like within boundaries set by law. In the second, the law dictates exactly how you live.

The Libertarians will save us! said...

Old Holborn said...
If you want to know what a BNP government would look like, just watch V for Vendetta

It's based on it happening.

If the BNP get in, I shall claim asylum in Switzerland

03 February 2009 13:09

Don't worry OH the Libertarians will come to the rescue! lol.

Especially when the jihad riots kick off, as they have Europe wide for several years now and growing thanks to the EU and soon to get much, much worse!

Now don't forget to pack your teddy bear before you head for the non EU sanctuary that have a majority BNP style party in goverment!

Must be like V for Vendeta over there eh!

Remember the BNP have stated if the other parties had actually goverend with the British peoples interests at heart then there would be no need for the BNP.

Hardly radical, more like a return to 50s Britain, which sounds a damn site more safe and pleasent than what we have now, thanks to the traitors the globalisers and those that seek to bury their heads in the Libertarian party.

Leg-iron said...

Remember the BNP have stated if the other parties had actually goverend with the British peoples interests at heart then there would be no need for the BNP.

Very true, and the main reason the BNP is doing so well is that the three aged crones of the current parties no longer listen to anyone at all.

Any objection to uncontrolled immigration is met with 'racist', those concerned with the erosion of culture meet with new words like 'Islamophobe' and fancy technical versions like 'xenophobe' (ten years ago, how many people knew what that meant? Now, everyone does because almost everyone has been called that.) Xenophobe is the new racist, because it covers Poles and others who are white. It also sounds clever, and the Righteous do like to sound clever.

What the three decaying parties never seem to realise is that if they continually tell people they're all racists, and that the BNP are racists, and that any form of dissent means they must be BNP supporters, then they'll become BNP supporters. They've practically been ordered to vote BNP by the other parties!

What's to lose? They're already branded racist anyway just for objecting to the lunatics in charge, and the only ones who listen to their concerns are indeed the BNP.

The Libertarian party is an alternative and, I think, a better one, but it's new and not well known. It's well-known among politicians, especially labour politicians who have taken to adding the 'xenophobic', 'right-wing' and 'anarchist' type of tags whenever they mention it. That's good news for the Libertarians, because these same tactics were used against the BNP and look how much 'harm' it did! Lessons learned? Not with our MPs. They couldn't learn a lesson if you rolled it up and hammered it into their ears.

The three main parties are in competition to see who can get into power on the least possible number of votes. That's the only conclusion possible from their actions. Thing is, they're losing supporters all over the place while the BNP are gaining.

I've said before, I wouldn't be surprised to see BNP MPs after the next election. Not surprised at all. I don't think they'll get a majority but they'll get a few MPs without too much effort. All they need do is avoid a big scandal (and watch out because Mandelson certainly has one brewing).

A few BNP MPs is something I'd welcome. Odd, eh? Does it make me a Nazi-racist-bigot? I've already been called that many times so what the hell.

I don't want to see a BNP government but I'd really like to see some BNP MPs because it would shake things up and might even get the Cameroids to realise we aren't going to take this crap from them. It would send a message - shape up, Cameron, or we'll vote in the party that scares you most. Enough UKIP and BNP MPs might even force that referendum we all want.

I'm not a member of anything, by the way, nothing at all. I don't believe anyone's coming to save us. No political party, no V, no Batman, not even Captain Underpants.

In the days to come, we'll all be busy saving ourselves.

Oh, and I won't be leaving the country. This is my place and I'm staying.

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