Sunday, 4 January 2009

Warning

When God's chosen people decide to punish those who are not God's chosen people for wanting their stolen land back.

Warning. GRAPHIC.

121 comments:

Anonymous said...

Maybe they shouldn't play with fireworks.

no longer anonymous said...

The Poles stole land from Germany after WWII and drove thousands (perhaps millions?) of Germans outside of what was once eastern Germany. The Germans managed to get over it.

RememberBeslan said...

Notice how many of the 'first responders' are armed to the teeth with automatic weapons etc.

One of the helpers seems to aim his pistol at a casualty on the ground - what's that about?

Canute said...

Was it a suicide bomber?

Those pesky self-detonating Israelis are a real health hazard. Perhaps we should throw shoes at them until they stop.

Anonymous said...

Filthy zionazist scum. Iran, please rid the planet of the whining Israeli dregs asap.

Mitch said...

You wont see that on the BBC, no heroic stance for snotty.

lewy said...

You could show similar footage from WW2 from both sides, but does that make both of them right?

45govt said...

Is that carnage of Israelis, or carnage by Israelis?
Not that it matters much, could be either.

non-semite, anglo-celt said...

45govt

Looks like you've removed your tongue from Israeli arse. It's about fucking time.

Eastwood said...

This is what those neo-con arseholes on Guido's blog are cheering on.

Guthrum said...

NLAS

The Poles stole land from Germany after WWII and drove thousands (perhaps millions?) of Germans outside of what was once eastern Germany.

err NO ! The Poles objected strongly, the British proposed moving the borders westwards to appease Russia, so that Russia could take eastern provinces of Poland.

When you read some fairly recent History, perhaps we can take note of your prejudices.

Read also Irgun- a terrorist organisation that murdered three British Soldiers in cold blood by hanging.

John Pickworth said...

I'm not sure what I'm watching here?

No what, when, where or why!

Without those details I'd be a fool to offer any meaningful comment something that 'might' have nothing to do with what we're currently seeing on the news.

Anonymous said...

Seems to be a disproportionate amount of AK47's and RPG's floating about. Terrorist training camp?

Obnoxio The Clown said...

If Hamas want to set off their attack from civilian areas and the civilians let them, then they are fully entitled to the retribution.

Fuck 'em. This time, I'm entirely with the yids.

Old Holborn said...

Where, exactly, Obo, should the 1.5 million enforced citizens of Gaza base their pathetic little rebellion? Monte Carlo?

45govt said...

non-semite, anglo-celt said... who the fuck knows - can you actually read?

I am firmly with the IDF, and Obnoxio.

Anonymous said...

Then therre's the pratts who whine about them "hiding behind women and children". Well it's a fucking prison camp! There's nowhere to go apart from trying to defend your family from the fucking ZioNAZI Stormtroopers.
One thing we can do in GB is point big fingers at all the political "Con/Lab/LibDem Friends of Israel" members and shame them for cowering to the zioNAZI lobbying, bribery, blackmail and coniving.

Hugo said...

You'd think it'd be pretty easy for Hamas to chuck their mortars into Israel from outside crowded civilian areas if they really wanted to. If the Jocks were firing off missiles into England from Edinburgh, I'd think that military pacification would be in order, after all.

phoebe said...

OH - If you want to educate yourself about islam and why muslims have a pathological hatred of jews, and why you are so very, very wrong about this subject, a good place to start is on the ex-muslim site www.faithfreedom.org.
Here is the webmaster Ali Sina's take on the current situation:

"18. Ali Sina Says:
January 2nd, 2009 at 9:19 am

This site is about Islam. The root cause of Israel Arab conflict lies in the sayings and examples set by Muhammad. He hated the Jews because they did not believe in his lies. As the result his followers also hate the Jews without even knowing why.

Jews want to live. They did not care about forming their own nation. In fact many Jewish reformers in the 18th century were saying that Germany is their new Zion and that that Jews wherever they live should adopt that country as their homeland. That idea was shattered when Hitler exterminated the Jews and Muslims supported him unanimously. It became clear that Jews had to have their own homeland so the holocaust could not happen again.

They were right. Today with the rise of the number of Muslims in Europe, Jews are once again under attack and many shameless Europeans, including their leftist fascist media take the side of the Arabs who spread anti Semitism with the mass media. So it is clear that Jews need their country.

You say why in Palestine? Because Palestine is the ancestral land of the Jews, 2000 years before Muslims conquer that land, Palestine belonged to the Jews. Arabs in Palestine are newcomers. They are originally from Egypt and Jordan. If they can’t live in peace with the owners of the land, they should go back to where they came from. Israelis have no other choice but to defend themselves. They have nowhere to go. And to defend themselves they have to kill those who want to kill them.

There are a few solutions to this conflict. One solution is that Arabs go back to where they or their ancestors came from. The other solution is that they leave Islam and accept the Jews as fellow humans and start coexisting with them without hate and animosity. The third solution is to fight, kill and get killed. As stupid as Muslims are they have chosen the third option because the other two options are unIslamic. Muslims cannot accept Jews as their aulya. This goes against their religion.

If you want war you get war. If any politician in the Arab word says we should accept Israel’s right to exist and make permanent peace with them he will be finished, if not killed. What happened to Anwar Sadaat? Muslims don’t want peace.

You want war? You got it. But don’t cry when you lose. If you want to be a warrior at least die like one. But Muslims are not warriors. They are coward terrorists."

Notory said...

Nothing to do with the IDF, the attack on civilians in Gaza turned out to be a fraud—it actually shows the results of an accidental explosion of a truck full of Hamas rockets at a Palestinian rally.
Usual propaganda can you de-bunk this?

Aardvark said...

No Longer Anonymous 14:51

The Poles didn’t actually steal land from Germany. The Russians stole land from Poland (the third they invaded in a secret agreement with Hitler) and the allies at the end of the war compensated Poland for this by handing over territory that had formally been part of Germany, principally Prussia and Silesia. Had Russia given back the Polish territory they stole in 1939 there would have been no need to take eastern territory from Germany in order to reinstate Poland. However Stalin refused and decided also to keep the East German Baltic port of Konigsberg (now Kaliningrad) for good measure which was also to have been given to Poland. As for the Germans getting over it that’s not exactly true either and this is responsible for a great deal of ill will between both countries to this day with the Polish Government passing laws to prevent homesick Germans buying back their former homes in the East and resettling. The question of Kaliningrad remains a big problem as it is now Russian territory cut off from Russia after the Baltic States regained their independence. They have to pass through EU territory to get there from Russia. In response to parts of George Bush’s missile shield being sited in Poland Russia has threatened to site nuclear missiles in Kaliningrad and a future east/west flashpoint looks set to be created.

Daisy said...

the thing that really shook me is that i wasn't affected...i guess seeing so much from the vietnam conflict, koren war, etc., etc...all the way up to people getting their heads chopped off live have dulled me a bit...i remember my uncle and some of his remaining troop returning from vietnam...i used to get nightmares...now i just see people fighting over land/religion/politics and it is meaningless to me...
sorry don't mean to sound all hard and everything...it's just the way it is now...

Old Holborn said...

I', happy to stand aprt from Guido, Iain Dale, Obo and DK

You do NOT bomb the fuck out of people you have rounded up and placed in an eternal prison camp, after throwing them off their land and out of their houses because your God told you to.

No matter how many stones they throw back at your Apache gunships, tanks, nuclear subs and F-16's.

Bastards.

Oh, and don't preach to me about the evils of Islam. I know them well enough. If the Zionists had thrown a tribe of Buddhist monks off their land, they'd still be bombing the shit out of them.

End of.

Old Holborn said...

Phoebe

Israel was the first nation formed entirely on a religion. We have seen nothing but war since.

Pakistan was the 2nd. You ain't seen nothing yet.

Before you defend one, be prepared to defend the 2nd.

phoebe said...

OH - even the left wing blogs are supporting Israel!

http://www.hurryupharry.org/

What the hell has happened to you!

We had great hope in you that you knew the score, instead you spout the BBC line hook, line and sinker!

What a disappointment!

Old Holborn said...

I thought I'd explained this

I am not right wing or left wing

I am anti Authoritarian. I am a Libertarian.

So when a State with arms decides to bomb a people without a State and arms, guess which side I'll take?

phoebe said...

Educate yourself better before you come out with this c**p.

Otherwise, who can take "Libertarians" seriously!

Aardvark said...

This is a political problem of territory being taken from one group of people and arbitrarily given to another. Two different parties are disputing the others right to occupy the same land. Whenever artificial borders are drawn unintended consequences are the end result. Palestinian territory was given to Israel in 1948 to create a Jewish state and help the world cope with the guilt of the holocaust. Prior to this there had been Jewish immigration into the area allowed by Britain who controlled Palestine following the end of the Ottoman Empire. The political problem of redrawn borders occurs in many places. It’s a problem in the Middle East and a problem on the continent of Africa where artificial states were created across different tribes and the end of Colonial rule.
This dispute is not principally about religion that part is merely a side show whipped up to encourage both sides to hate each other. First rule of war, learn to hate your enemy. Real estate and territory is the root cause and what the answer is I have absolutely no idea such is the bitterness and hatred on both sides. Thankfully since 1947 it’s no longer Britain’s problem. Clement Atlee had the good sense get out.

Goose said...

"You do NOT bomb the fuck out of people you have rounded up and placed in an eternal prison camp, after throwing them off their land and out of their houses because your God told you to"

They threw no one off any land, the Palestinans were given a state bigger than Israel in 47 and refused it becasue they wanted all of the land and the Jewish refugees on it dead .The only reason the Palestinans area of control is so small is because they keep starting wars they cannot fucking win, same for the other arabs, if no one had ever gone to war with Israel it would still be the same size as fucking Norwich

Stick to domestic issues because with all the anti Jewish shite you are starting to sound like just another undercover nazi

We have Annie Lennox for such informed commentary anyway

AngryDave said...

When Islam emrged about 750 years ago, the dominant religion in the region was the Jewish faith. So the muslims converted or pushed out the jews.
After being displaced by WW2 the Jew's created Isreal. It was theirs first, all they did is move back in. The Jews had embraced democracy, which pissed off the muslims even more.
If muslim extremists want to blow up buses full of school kids then go hiding in amongst civillians, tough shit. All muslims need is an excuse, they cannot live in peace with anyone. You only have to look at many of the conflicts that have gone on around the world over recent years, and you will see that muslims are always in the middle of it.

Old Holborn said...

Er...I'm not anti Jewish. I'm part Jewish (if such a thing is allowed. It isn't by Zionists)

I am anti racial supremacy, which Zionists stand for. If that makes me a Nazi, it's an interesting analogy.

I rerer to the map of Norwich, HERE

Cato said...

OH, we have much in common. Except this. I'm firmly with the IDF, Guido , Obnoxio and any others whose names escape me.
If Hamas wants to live in peace, then they should stop heaving rockets about. This is a group which has proudly stated that it wishes to wipe Israel from the map, as have the madman in Teheran and his acolytes, Hezbollah.
Bollocks to them. They sow the whirlwind, they reap the harvest.

phoebe said...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=I5eKXOBf5_w&eurl

Goose said...

Good - pay particular attention to the 2nd one 'UN partition plan' It would still look like that if the arabs had not decided to go to war and keep losing for 60 years

Oh and I have a black friend and my cousins gay

phoebe said...

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/01/dutch-mp-calls-for-intifada.html#readfurther

Tomrat said...

OH,

Libertarianism is not about standing up for the underdog; it is about self-determination and dealing with the impact of your decisions.

The arabs picked a terrorist group to lead them.

Hamas spent the generous billions in aid on rockets rather than food and medical aid.

Israel blockaded Gaza, building your "prison" in response to innumerable indiscriminate attacks against citizen and soldier alike.

In each and every example above the Arabs chose this path. As sad as it is to see casualties on the ground we must not forget they have reaped the whirlwind.

Goose said...

And actually 'Zionists' I guess you mean Israelis? who also include Muslims) do allow part Jewishness, in fact you do not even need to follow Judaism , or be a Jew under religious laws to be an Israeli citizen, Just have a Jewish Grandparent - so I guess you are in

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Anonymous said...

Phoebe you are full of shit. "The Jews" don't have an "ancestral home" Anyway, most of them are converts.
By their own childish criteria they are way down the list of who Palestine would belong to. Italy would be fairly near the top. Jews simply have no realistic historical claim unless everybody else is ignored.

As for the "... if they stopped firing missiles" whiners, The West Bank Palestinans don't fire ANY missiles and have to put up with all manner of shit from the Israelis too.

phoebe said...

... another little interjection from "brave" anonymous warrier Mohammed at 21.06 .....

No wonder you fight in the midst of women and children!

Anonymous said...

LOL, go "home" to Israel, phoebe.
(Not your real name, is it)
And be careful about calling people "anti-semites" in real life, you'll get done for slander.

Anonymous said...

It’s a bit off topic but I must say I do narf fancy that Tzipi Livni. I wouldn’t mind giving her a big slice of pizza with extra topping on it.

Aeneas said...

Nazi roots of Palestinian Nationalism and Islamic Jihad: http://media0.terrorismawareness.org/files/NaziRoots.pdf

Legal issues regarding the war in Gaza: http://www.jcpa.org/text/puzzle1.pdf

Peter Risdon said...

Notice the sudden cut immediately after the pickup truck is shown. This footage comes from 2005 and shows an explosion during a Hamas rally. You've fallen for some "Pallywood" propaganda - one that was exposed on reddit earlier today.

It's not the only bit of Pallywood propaganda floating about. And there'll be lots more.

Have you read the Hamas Charter? The only people trying to occupy land because God gave it to them are Hamas. The Israelis are trying to keep land the world agreed they should have after the first World War. Israel's claim to territory has the same footing as do those of Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, the Gulf States, Jordan and Turkey.

There are some religiously-motivated Greater Israel nutters but the Israeli government handles them, forcibly removing them from "God-given" settlements where necessary.

Not that this will dent your relentless anti-Israeli propaganda.

Aeneas said...

Don't know where you get your 'facts' from Anonymous? That's not your real name either is it?

What historical claim do the Arabs have for the Levant, or North Africa, or Mesopatamia. They are only there because they invaded, perhaps they should end their illegal occupation. The Copts should be given Egypt, the Assyrian Christians should have Iraq.

The Jews of Israel just took back what was theirs, land that was stolen from them. Not only that they made the land productive - much of the coast was malarial swamp and now it is fertile agricultural land. Perhaps if they were in complete control of Gaza then the desert would bloom.

It looks like Hamas are going to get a good booting for their misguided decision to attack a militarily superior foe.

Thud said...

I do not discriminate against palis...I hate all islamonazis and the more the idf kill the happier I am...the less there are...the safer I am...and don't bother starting the..'it creates more hatred bollocks'...they already hate us...their book says so....fuck them and their book.

Mohammed's Radio said...

Don't it make you wanna rock and roll, all night long.?

A sensitive soul, I haven't looked at the clip but I can guess it brings a warm wet feeling to many.

The thing is, Old Holborn, if, as you rightly do, you stand apart from Guido and the rest of the omnifascists on this matter you can't really find common cause with them on any other; I know I can't.

The odd thing about them is that out of the other side of their mouths they would damn Mugabe for his treatment of his own oppresed poor, his denying them medicines and food and turning his thugs loose on them at election time just like those nice Israelis are doing, but then of course he's a nigger, too, makes all the difference to your Guido libertarian fraternity.

Old Holborn said...

Ask yourself a simple question

If you were thrown out of your houses and off your land by another religion who claimed it was God's will, then herded into a concentration camp, then bombed, starved and denied anything other than poverty, what would you do?

I'd fight back. Fuck me, I'd fight back.

Thud said...

Dear dear...taken in by pali propoganda....you are slipping...this is an old clip shown many times before....very sad.The guy who put it up is now saying he didn't do it, the supporters of Israel did....back to the drawing board Oh.

Cato said...

Old Holborn said...

Ask yourself a simple question

If you were thrown out of your houses and off your land by another religion who claimed it was God's will, then herded into a concentration camp, then bombed, starved and denied anything other than poverty, what would you do?

I'd fight back. Fuck me, I'd fight back.

04 January 2009 22:37

And which particular concentration camp would that be?
Auschwitz, Dachau, Ravensbruck?
I can't recall hearing of any in Gaza

Thud said...

That would be the Gaza concentration camp that we have pumped hundreds of millions into and in which hamas and before them fatah build their villas....people do no doubt suffer as the result of calculated actions of hamas..it makes for good press and it keeps people like Oh warm at night.
wv..conts..nearly right

Old Holborn said...

Gaza is a concentration camp

If you doubt me, I will pay for a flight there, for you to see with your own eyes.

1. The airport is closed, by the Israelis

2. There is no port. The Israelis will not allow one.

3. You cannot fly to Egypt and cross the border. Israel will not allow it.

4. You must fly to Israel. And the Israelis will not let you cross the border to Gaza.

Some freedom eh?

Achilles the EastEnder said...

Why is it that all these shithead morons like Aeneas pretend to a classical education ? Beats me.

Thing is, pretentious, jumped-up fuckbrain, you can waffle here all night long about your O level geography and history and still be an utter cunt. Make the desert bloom? Just like Hitler made the autobahns and the Berlin Olympics. Just like Gay Gordon delivered an economic miracle ?

The jews, you sorry-assed, pussy-whipped clown, and the arabs are both Abrahamic religionists, little to choose between them, they're all fucking barking mad superstitiuos stone-age fundamentalist barbarians, its just that one lot, backed by Uncle Sam, is committing warcrimes against the other lot, egged-on by superficially erudite slobs like you.

Aeneas ? Biffo the Bear, more like.

As for Thud the Monkey Thinker, all the toilet walls must be filled up in his area. Jeez that Bill Gates has got a lot to answer for, neanderthals at keyboards, cheers, Bill.

Peter Risdon said...

You've been shown your post is untrue, but you haven't corrected it.



When the Israeli government forcibly removed settlers (some of whom claimed they had a divine right to the land) from Gaza, the Soros foundation paid for some of the greenhouse complexes to be left fully-equipped, so that Gazans could earn money from them. Hamas smashed them up - to prevent any Gazans earning a living. Hamas deliberately keeps Gazans in poverty because, they calculate, useful idiots around the world will help with their propaganda if they do.

Israel was shipping medical and food supplies into Gaza just a week ago. Gaza is not a concentration camp and the mere comparison is a cousin to Holocaust denial.

Hamas's own founding charter claims a divine right to Israel (and Spain, incidentally). But that claim that God gave a people land is OK with you, apparently.

Israel makes no such claim.

You're a fact-free zone.

Houdini said...

Well done OH, at last!! I thought I was the only sane one who saw the wholesale killing of civvys as bad!

I have since decided that the stat porn wankfest that is Gudio Fawkes can go fuck himself because he is completely irrationally pro fucking israeli scumbag and just as bad as any pro pal and terrorist cunt.

Been there and done that is something they haven't done. The likes of Paul Staines would piss their fucking pants if they saw for real what was happening, but hey, the Israelis are democratic and humane and justified aren't they?

Houdini said...

If Hamas want to set off their attack from civilian areas and the civilians let them, then they are fully entitled to the retribution.

Let them? LET them you fucking cretin?

Thud said...

Oh..lets give them (hamas) an airport etc as it would certainly only be used for peacful purposes.As for flight ..thanks but I pay my own way and if you wish to fly on a plane full of hamas bombers than I salute you.
Achilles...ouch that hurt...consider mr put in my place,I bow to your superior intellect, so I'll give this a miss now.

Old Holborn said...

I'm putting my blog on the line here.

Unlike Guido or Iain Dale, I earn not one penny from my rants, so fuck them, I'll say what I like.

Israel is a vile, racist, suremacist, bigoted nation, the very first founded on a religion that says Jews are Gods chosen people and everyone else is scum. GOD says so.

Is it any surprise they want to kill the people who used to live there?

Houdini said...

Another thing you Israeli cocking cunts, COUNT THE FUCKING KIDS either lying dead or being carried or running. Nothing, but nothing, justifies this.

The nearest most of you fuckers get to a dead kid is when you walk over a grave in the cemetery.

If my grand-daughter or grand-son was killed like this by an Israeli bomb I would be out to kill as many as I could, I shit you not. By the same token, if my gd or gs was killed by a muslim terrorist bomb, i would do the same, but never, ever, would I kill an innocent kid. I know I know the pals kill kids, the odd one and it might as well be a thousand, but that's because they are terrorists, unlike the Israelis eh?

Kosher Kowboy said...

Amazing how they get all the rockets, bullets and audis in then isn't it?

Perhaps they should have spent all that money and time on making the land agriculturally viable and feeding people?

Anonymous said...

OH, excuse me for being personal .. but do you have "ishews" with your Jewish ancestry?

Houdini said...

I'm putting my blog on the line here.

Unlike Guido or Iain Dale, I earn not one penny from my rants, so fuck them, I'll say what I like.

Israel is a vile, racist, suremacist, bigoted nation, the very first founded on a religion that says Jews are Gods chosen people and everyone else is scum. GOD says so.

Is it any surprise they want to kill the people who used to live there?


Don't let Mrs Dale or that egocentric cunt Staines fool you into believing anything else; you are right. The only reason they are doing what they do is because they want to perpetuate terrorism and the struggle against them, because that way they can perpetuate their occupation and don't have to address the issues rationally. They have just given their illegal settlements another ten years grace OH, and that is what this is about and fuckall else.

Scumbags all and don't kid yourself you are putting the blog at risk because there are loads who think the same as you and me whop would otherwise be branded right wing reactionaries, but we don;t have to be cunts like Staines.

Houdini said...

Amazing how they get all the rockets, bullets and audis in then isn't it?

Perhaps they should have spent all that money and time on making the land agriculturally viable and feeding people?


Food and medicine can't get into Gaza, even smuggled, but they can get all this eh?

It's because the Israelis let it in, covertly of course. They want to perpetuate the terrorism. Look at how cheap life is to the Israelis, do you honestly think a few Israeli civvys will bother them if they get bumped off to further the cause of the great state of Israel?

The Israelis and their greed are the problem

bofl said...

i dont get what fawkes is up too either.he shot himself in the foot last year with his 'amnesty for immigrants' article and now he has a hate fest going on re gaza.....

if mainly British posters can get so worked up over this foreign event then i wonder what will happen in blighty when the shit really hits the fan due to the recessionand the non-recovery!

the middle east situation and history is so muddled that neither side can claim more validity than the other.

imho the killing of others for insane reasons makes both sides look like savages.

Daisy said...

is everyone here just missing the fucking point? i know you are not ignorant...so how could you take one side over the other when this fighting is about a fucking piece of land...about a fucking religion...it's time people wake the fuck up and see that it is not worth a life...not one for land when we have an abundance...so too can be said for religion...it will end when THEY decide it will end and it has nothing to do with any god...period!

Kosher Kowboy said...

"Israel is a vile, racist, suremacist, bigoted nation, the very first founded on a religion that says Jews are Gods chosen people and everyone else is scum. GOD says so."

Actually Israel is a democratic secular nation with a vocal religious element but also very large Christian and Muslim minorities who both serve in the IDF (The IDF is 8% non Jewish) 12 % of Israeli citizens are Muslims and 8% Christians

Old Holborn said...

Israel has shown us all how it can use other religions to do it's dirty work

Cimmerian said...

Peter Risdon and Notory are correct - this video shows an 'own goal' by Hamas a while back when they were showing off their new rockets at a parade and they accidentally detonated.

Absolutely nothing at all to do with Israelis, the IDF, Zionists or Jews!

45govt said...

Houdini - the more I see of you, the more I reckon we (and I exclude of course our genial host) are on the side of the angels.
I disagree most fervently with OH on this issue, reckon he had got it totally wrong, and he clearly has issues. To have you on his side though, is an advantage he can do without - you make Fucking Delicious sound sane. You are an utter cunt, and I don't suppose for a second that Guido will consider your departure from his premises in high dudgeon anything other than an unalloyed blessing.

Sorry OH, it just slipped out.

Anonymous said...

Interesting comments here. (I'm a different anonymous).

Since when did any RELIGION have a right to any area of this planet by DIVINE RIGHT?

The whole mess is a f*ck up started prior to WW1, fed by Arthur Balfour (then British Foreign Secretary), and jumped on by Zionists who pushed for a 'Homeland' after WW2 (and long before). There never was an 'Historical' or 'Ancient' Jewish Homeland - there were just places where Jews lived. Before 18th and 19th and 20th century borders were invented.

ISREAL is a construct of the Ottoman Empire, the British Empire, and the two World Wars. And the Cold War. It has nothing to do with anything about belonging, or GOD, or anything else. It's a made-up mess. And it's Jewish occupants think they have a DIVINE RIGHT to inflict their nearly 100 years (60 physical years) of influence on the entire region.

Read the Balfour Declaration of 1917. And then pity the Palestinians... What ISREAL is doing NOW is not what was ever intended, even by a former prime minister of a failing empire...

From Wikipedia... "the British government "view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people" with the understanding that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.""

Seems the ZIONISTS ignored most of that.

Old Holborn said...

45govt,

We have met in person and feasted. I hold no grudges, nor ever will

I believe the State of Israel to be a rogue State, in that it is founded on a religion. If you are not of that religion, you are always going to have problems. Pakistan is showing us also that religion governs sanity. And it always causes death, mayhem and insanity. Such is religion.

Other than that, you and I agree on pretty much everything. Especially that very good Italian bottle that Tuscan Tony picked. Stunning.

Thud said...

Oh...we have problems here and recently you have been one of the strongest voices of reason...on this subject you seem to have gone well off the rails...yes it is your blog and you can and youshould use it as you will...but at least uphold this blogs reputation...the film is fake...it devalues this site..if you care great but if not then you betray much of what you have been fighting against lately.

Goose said...

"Israel has shown us all how it can use other religions to do it's dirty work"

Thats interesting, and this summary of it on the same page handily provides an insight into the current reaction (including your own)

"Bernard Lewis argues that the response to the massacre was so overwhelming because the event presented an opportunity to blame Jews: "There is no evidence that the teachers of [the Lycée Voltaire] had ever been moved to such action by events in Poland or Uganda, Central America or Afghanistan, South Africa and Southeast Asia, or for that matter in the Middle East where the massacre of Sabra and Shatila... lacked neither precedents nor parallels". He contrasts the reactions to the Sabra and Shatila massacre with those to the Hama massacre which was perpetrated in the same year by the Syrian army and in which tens of thousands were killed, but on which, according to Lewis, "not a dog barked"."


I did enjoy this blog but it seems clear now there is something lurking underneath - ex 1970s NF perhaps? Something clearly formulated this hackneyed rhetoric and I can't stick you on the shelf with Galloway, Benn, Vanessa Redgrave and the rest, shame really I think you have put the blog on the line and squashed it

45govt said...

Cheers OH - 'tis my birthday - have just poured a large one Happy New Year, and confusion to the enemy! I look forward to breaking bread again soon.

Anonymous said...

Thud - and others.

How can a free thinker go off the rails?

Houdini said...

You are an utter cunt, and I don't suppose for a second that Guido will consider your departure from his premises in high dudgeon anything other than an unalloyed blessing.

My my, I'm surprised you managed to get that lot out with your tongue stuck so firmly up Staines fucking ring-piece, and it shows how firmly up his ring-piece you are when you come here to defend to the hilt of your balls Paul Staines after the way he initially treated you on his blog, but hey ho, I suppose people like you need to be wanted and need to be led.

The difference between me and you is that I don't need to be led, and I certainly don't take sides in this but look at the issue rationally. Look at Mrs Dale; he/she sees anyone not with Israel as being for Hamas, but nothing can be further from the truth. I don't support Hamas, or even Gaza and the Palestinians, but simply people and civilians who aren't trying to kill anyone but lead their lives. Cunts like you and Staines, and Mrs Dale amongst others, fail to recognise this because you have no experience of fuckall outside these blogs.

I've spent time in Israel, and worked with the IDF and spoke to and been with the ordinary squaddy so know what they think and are told, unlike Mrs dale who thinks a visit and meeting with some low level Pal and Israeli politicians makes him/her a world authority from the ground up. So I know a bit about it and know that half of what we see and hear is pure propaganda from both sides, while poor sad cunts like you think and it is only Hamas that issues propaganda.

It is very sad though how you suck on Staines cock and will defend him, and BTW, you know me quite well under a different name and never had this kind of thing to say before, but that was before you met and licked Staines ring piece fucking clean on demand wasn't it?

Cunt.

Houdini said...

I did enjoy this blog but it seems clear now there is something lurking underneath - ex 1970s NF perhaps? Something clearly formulated this hackneyed rhetoric and I can't stick you on the shelf with Galloway, Benn, Vanessa Redgrave and the rest, shame really I think you have put the blog on the line and squashed it

And here we have the perfect example of how Israel can do what it wants when it wants.

If you are not with Israel you must be NF, a NAZI, anti Jew, a communist or some such other hateful person who wants to persecute Israel because they are Jews.

The Jews and Israel are two different issues and this kind of argument is stale, lacking and perpetuated by cunts who have no other defence of the indefensible.

WB said...

OH, fer the love of...this is a Hamas explosion - they killed their own, it's all over the net, and you've fallen for it half-hooknose line and sinker.

You reckon your blog's on the line. Crossed, mate. I'm with Obo and Dale and every other sane person and you can take a seat beside the very bombers you've proudly posted here.

Cripes, this is like watching a man have a nervous breakdown - "they just want their land back, God did not give it to the jews" = what's the frequency kenneth?

Houdini said...

The video is, for the most part, irrelevant to the issue and argument being put forward, though as far as I can find on the net it was the Israelis that targeted the rocket display and bombed it.

But the issue at hand remains the same; these are not posts in support of terrorists but in defence of civvies.

Thud said...

houdini....you and half a dozen murdering nutters seem to believe it was not an own goal...you fit right in.

John Pickworth said...


Peter Risdon said...


"This footage comes from 2005 and shows an explosion during a Hamas rally."

Mmmmm, as I thought... the smell of rat. Although I'm sure OH wasn't trying to mislead anyone; the scenes in the video are terrible whether self-inflicted or not.

Having read the comments above; I'm VERY disappointed to see so many espouse that one side is worse than the other because they've killed more people etc. To apportion blame by measure of a body count is to turn the squalid incident into nothing more than a sport. Shame on you.

Shame also on those who have failed to recognise the deathly hand of Iran in this. Many Middle Eastern observers are too keenly aware that if Israel were to launch an attack upon Iran's nuclear facilities, then these moments immediately prior to the new US President taking office would be the ideal time. So, no surprise then, that Iran's puppets in Gaza 'decide' that now is a good time to wave away a renewed cease-fire and to lob a few hundred flying pipe bombs into greater Israel? There's little hiding the fact that Hamas is doing everything it can to provoke Israel, and you have to wonder why? The Mullahs in Iran must be giddy with joy that the Israelis have fallen for such obvious bait and allowed themselves to be distracted (arguably) from a more pressing objective.

Anonymous said...

Well I agree with OH, Houdini etc because all the Israel apologists are utterly clueless beyond the utter pap they are fed daily by zionist dominated media (like the Daily Dimwit and even the Times).
When people support the puny colony guilty for breaking the most UN resolutions the sheer scale of the brainwash might begin to dawn on those still capable of independent thought.
Any cretin can get a basic idea of conditions in Gaza by looking at a satellite view of it, though I'm sure it's beyond some of the posters here.

45govt said...

Houdini - "..but that was before you met and licked Staines ring piece fucking clean on demand wasn't it?

Cunt."


I have never met, or ever spoken to Paul Staines - and yes, you are.

Good luck with an imbecile of this calibre OH.

it's either banned or compulsory said...

Aeneas said...
" The Copts should be given Egypt, the Assyrian Christians should have Iraq.", ease off a bit Aeneas, you'll be giving the Welsh bad ideas about England.

OH, you keep on saying "after throwing them off their land and out of their houses". The first Israelis bought their homes and land off Arabs who sold it to them in the face of stiff opposition from their Imams and Mullahs.
Incidentally, GB did not create Israel, the UN did; one of the few sensible things it did before being taken over by the Third World.

Ellis said...

I have lived in Israel, and stayed in Gaza, and imho OH is spot on.
(OH - humble request to please re-consider your decision to dump LPUK. Ya godda be in it to win it).

AntiCitizenOne said...

Bang!

Teach you scum to try to kill Israelis.

Reaping the whirlwind sure does hurt.

Houdini said...

houdini....you and half a dozen murdering nutters seem to believe it was not an own goal...you fit right in.

Read what I actually said, not what you thought I said and wanted me to say.

Houdini said...

I have never met, or ever spoken to Paul Staines - and yes, you are.

Good luck with an imbecile of this calibre OH.


Is that it? Is that fucking it?

I must have really hit a nerve here. Keep licking and sucking son, I'm sure you're doing a fine job and Guido is lapping it up.

Houdini said...

OH seems to have gone quiet and maybe he is reflecting on the posts and his stance, and also on what he said over he thought he might be putting the blog on the line.

Listen, if you have put the blog on the line, and I don't for one minute believe you have, you have to ask what the blog is. If your blog dies because you spoke your mind on your blog, wouldn't that be better than have it thrive because you denied yourself freedom of speech and gave it to others, and maybe denied freedom of speech to those you agree with?

Mrs Dale and Staines have vested interests and will say pretty much anything for traffic, but do you want to do that?

45govt said...

"Mrs Dale and Staines have vested interests and will say pretty much anything for traffic, but do you want to do that?"

Not if you're the traffic. You ignorant little asswipe - you got deleted from Guido for mindless foul language without content. But you know that.

I doubt OH needs your advice.

Houdini said...

Not if you're the traffic. You ignorant little asswipe - you got deleted from Guido for mindless foul language without content. But you know that.

I doubt OH needs your advice.


No I didn't get deleted for mindless foul language without content, but you know that.

It goes to show the depths of arse licking you have fallen to if you claim that, and yes, you fucking creep, keep licking, coming here to lick Staines arse and defend him yet again! I got deleted, for the first time, for not following his line, like you and others cleaning his ring-piece with tongue do, you sad little twat. Remember I know you from old and we have been bosom buddies in different guises, so I do know you and your MO.

As to OH needing my advice...well of course he doesn't, but the difference between us arse licker, is that I give it without expectation that he should take it.

Anonymous said...

Imagine what life is like if you have a family there? You are surrounded by a wall with the enemy monitoring your movements in and out. Essentially you are imprisoned with your children with limited rights.

The only people standing up for you are a terrorist organisation that you subsequently elected to represent you.

The rest of the world is ignoring your plight and backing your enemy.

What would you do? I'd fight, I know that...

Houdini said...

That must make you an anti-semitic apologist for terrorists then anon. How dare you voice such opinions! You are obviously a poor deluded fool that believes every bit of propaganda from Hamas. You deserve to be shot etc. etc. etc. and so on and so forth.

Care to spend $100 sending coke and pizza to an IDF platoon? You should because even though they are well equipped, well paid, well looked after and are well though of, they are deprived. Fuck the British soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq, those fuckers deserve nothing, send instead your hard earned to the IDF who you don't know and don't give two fucks about you!

It gets more surreal with some of these twats doesn't it? You got a sister you can send to the poor IDF?

45govt said...

Houdini - well if we were bosom buddies once, unmask yourself - you have me at a disadvantage, and I am quite willing to retract if I know I'm wrong.

Would you care to repost here the comment that Guido deleted for us to judge?

I have been censored by Guido many more times than you, threatened by email with a permanent ban, and I can assure you, not because I was agreeing with his every word.

I agree with Guido strongly on this ONE ISSUE, and as it happens, not with the fact he thought his blog was the right place for it - I don't, but its his, and that's what he chose to do. It doesn't come under his stated terms of reference, where it plainly does here.

" but the difference between us arse licker, is that I give (OH advice) without expectation that he should take it."

45govt said... You should start deleting yourself a bit Guido. 4:45 PM, January 07, 2008.

Dick the Prick said...

I don't agree with OH on this one but it's his blog, his opinions and his RIGHT to think and post whatever he wants. None of my business.

Thud said...

It may be beyond your imagination but it is possible to support the idf and the British army at the same time...which I do....dickhead.

Anonymous said...

OH

This is a concentration camp:

http://www.qualityinformationpublishers.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=12

In the news, I don't see skeletons walking about Gaza. I don't see bodies being staked high.

You have a right to your opinion but to use the line that Gaza is a concentration camp is a bit of an exaggeration.

Anonymous said...

Daily life in Gaza - December 3rd 2007:

http://johntrenchard.blogspot.com/2009/01/daily-life-in-gaza-dec-3rd-2008.html

Anonymous said...

Another thing from my post @ 18:39.

Why describe Israel as some theocratic state?

What about the communist-like Kibbutz's, the successful economy that has enriched the whole western world in the fields of medicine and technology including the mobile phone, major parts of the internet, the westernised nightclub and cafe scene that serves alcohol and even incidents of neo-nazi activities perpetrated by some Russian immigrants?

Before anybody flames that I am some Israeli apologist, I know for a fact Israel is not perfect, off-hand, although I can't be bothered finding the link, I know that some orthodox Jews have been reported spitting into the face of Christians and other bigoted behaviour.

I think you really to think up some serious counter-points rather than stuff like this.

Houdini said...

...the successful economy...

It is irrelevant, but are we talking about the same country? Are you blissfully unaware of the aid Israel is in receipt of?

Trooper Thompson said...

Well done OH for taking the right line on this.

Houdini said...

Houdini - well if we were bosom buddies once, unmask yourself - you have me at a disadvantage, and I am quite willing to retract if I know I'm wrong.

You'll retract if you do know me? Let's get this straight...you'll retract what you seem to so fervently believe if you know me? Bloody hell man, stop licking ring and grow some fucking balls.

Would you care to repost here the comment that Guido deleted for us to judge?

Not really, but I said, as consistently as I have been for about the past three or four years, though perhaps noit quite the exact words, that I detest cunty fucking scumbag apologists for Hamas as much as I detest cunty fucking apologists for Israel, so which one are you Guido? He could have engaged in a debate but didn't, and I made it plain that I was in neither camp.

I have been censored by Guido many more times than you, threatened by email with a permanent ban, and I can assure you, not because I was agreeing with his every word.

And still you go back to lick ring again and again. Let's give you an example of just how fucking sad a ring licking cunt you are...cunt the posts here on another blog you have made that contribute precisely fuckall to the debate at hand, but seek merely to defend and suck on Staines fucking cock. Think carefully and hang your head in shame arse-licker.

I agree with Guido strongly on this ONE ISSUE, and as it happens, not with the fact he thought his blog was the right place for it - I don't, but its his, and that's what he chose to do. It doesn't come under his stated terms of reference, where it plainly does here.

This needs deciphering. You been on the piss? Yes it is his blog, and good luck to him, and I told him to shove it, so good luck to me. But the point I made lastly still stands, that he and his blog are absolutely fuckall without the guests he dismissed to glibly, and as I said to him there, he would do well to remember that the same as most public servants have forgotten.

" but the difference between us arse licker, is that I give (OH advice) without expectation that he should take it."

45govt said... You should start deleting yourself a bit Guido. 4:45 PM, January 07, 2008.


And you still went back for second and subsequent helpings of arse crack sweat and grime.

Now fuck off you're boring me.

Tomrat said...

Houdini,

"It's because the Israelis let it in, covertly of course. They want to perpetuate the terrorism. Look at how cheap life is to the Israelis, do you honestly think a few Israeli civvys will bother them if they get bumped off to further the cause of the great state of Israel?"

Ah so your logic here is that the Israelis are deliberately perpetuating the terror on their own people via proxy? They WANT their people to be killed all in the name of perpetuating some massive mythological zionist conspiracy?

You know I should remember that arguement next time I go out a-raping; hey your honour she wanted me to do it, she gave me the come hither look and I obliged. You make me sick sir.

OH,

1. The airport is closed, by the Israelis

2. There is no port. The Israelis will not allow one.


Primarily because the last time the Palestinian authorities had access to trade and industry, they used it to bring in massive amounts of weapons and explosives; the reason Yassar Arafat was blockaded into his headquarters was as a direct result of Israeli intelligence showing this to the world.

3. You cannot fly to Egypt and cross the border. Israel will not allow it.

Um Egypt shares a border approximately 7 miles wide with Gaza (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gz-map.gif); you might want to ask the Egyptians why they aren't relieving the plight of the arabs there and, more importantly, why they are allowing weapons to be smuggled across their borders.

4. You must fly to Israel. And the Israelis will not let you cross the border to Gaza.

Um, because its an active warzone and it is not beyond Hamas to put international observers in harms way to gain sympathy (they have already proved they care little for their own peoples; how much less for Kaffir journos and useful idiots activists?).

I believe the State of Israel to be a rogue State, in that it is founded on a religion.

We yet again come back to this meme and I think it is the crux of your arguement as to why you believe as you do; you have confused your synthesis of the issue, in much the same way as that anonymous cretin did in previous posts about me - you hold that just because a people have religion that that is what makes them religious, you are wrong; Israel is founded on the belief that an ancestral land (God given or otherwise), taken from them and turned into a map marker by Roman and Arab invaders, should naturally come under the control of the only people ever to have considered it their state. Palaestine does not exist nor has it ever existed other than to signify the dispersal of a people into 2 thousand years of death, persecution and mistrust.

Now I would like to point something very important out to both you and yours and to the supporters of Israel's cause; I care nothing for their false religion (Judaic mysticism is as much an abomination as the worship of a Pagan moon god is to the Arabs), what I do care about is that they as a people have centuries of wrongs righted, partly because their is a spiritual element to this (you need only look at the rabidness of some of your supporters of this particular meme) and partly because there is a greater wrong to be righted in all of this demonstrated by the only demoncratic nation in the middle east, one which, though not perfect, holds to secular diversity and religious freedom more so than you could ever see the Muslims doing.

Houdini said...

Ah so your logic here is that the Israelis are deliberately perpetuating the terror on their own people via proxy? They WANT their people to be killed all in the name of perpetuating some massive mythological zionist conspiracy?

Of course they don't want their people killed, but some collateral damage is acceptable to perpetuate the conflict and many and varied vested interests to Israels advantage in perpetuating the conflict. Do you have any idea of the vested interests in perpetuating the crisis economically? Of course you don't, and of course you don't want to know. Israel exists on handouts, regardless of the claims of a successful economy. Cretins like you must also believe that British soldiers are sent to Iraq and Afghanistan with the express understanding that not a single one will be hurt isn't that right? We have killed hundreds of our own men for little or no gain or reason above political show-boating by the Labour party and leadership, and you think Israel gives a shit about a few civvies here and there?

If Israel gains complete peace they lose immediately $4billion in military aid alone and let's not mention any other aid, which is vast, and then they would have to address the illegal settlements in the West Bank and the state of Palestine. They would have to dismantle the wall they have built. Then they would have to consider Syrias claim to the Golan Heights, and so on and so forth. Does Israel want peace? Do they fuck you naive twat; peace would be a disaster for Israel.

You know I should remember that arguement next time I go out a-raping; hey your honour she wanted me to do it, she gave me the come hither look and I obliged. You make me sick sir.

You must feel like, as well as look like, a true fucking cretin.

Anonymous said...

So this is what Libertarianism looks like in reality?

Interesting ...

I no longer find it surprising that former Libertarians in the EU Parliament have have now turned traitorous and act against the interests of their own people.

Some Info here

Old Holborn said...

*Reflective of statistics collected by PHMRG and B’tselem, the Israeli Information
Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories.

The Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group
PO Box 19918
Jerusalem 91191,
ISRAEL


Thanks for that Anonymous. Very useful.

Idiot

Old Holborn said...

Another video for you

http://muslimtv.magnify.net/video/A-video-Israel-doesnt-want-you

Red Squirrel said...

You are a fucking dickhead!

Anonymous said...

http://www.phrmg.org/profile.htm

PHRMG Relationship with the International, Local Community

The PHRMG maintains strong ties with international human rights groups, media and donors. Their cooperation and partnership has proved vital to PHRMG’s outreach and support internationally, as well as to PHRMG’s ability to maintain its high degree of independence at home. As illustrations; Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and Reporters without Borders regularly utilize PHRMG unpublished and published research for their reports. Since 1999, PHRMG director Bassem Eid gave 220 interviews to international media.

Board of Directors

Taher al-Nammari (Chairman)
Dr. Asa'ad Ghannem (Deputy Chairman)
Dahoud al-Qunbar (Treasurer)
Lu'ay Okkeh (General Secretary)
Nadwa Sarandah (Member)

Monitoring Committee

Dr. Mohammad Odeh
Dr. Waleed Mustafa
Dr. Adnan Musallam

Cunt.

Old Holborn said...

Anon, will you give it a rest?

You are out of your depth

http://www.phrmg.org/profile.htm#Our_Sponsors

Anonymous said...

Perhaps your right ... Sorry OH

....Hey look at that! I can accept that I may be wrong about what I believe to be the truth and that maybe there are two sides to every story.

Thud said...

what a scaaaarrry man houdini is!

45govt said...

" I am quite willing to retract if I know I'm wrong."

...and surprise, surprise I'm not -you are the fourth rate wannabe hardman I thought you were, with shit for brains, and with no understanding of either debate or the issues.

Your refusal to repost your brain-dead puerile fuckfest from Guido says it all, and interestingly, apart from that piece of crap, your other rubbish remains there, while my demolition of you was deleted by the man whose arse I'm supposed to be rimming - don't seem fair somehow, does it - you ignorant hoon?

"Now fuck off you're boring me."

So you are, and everyone else no doubt. Childish asswipe that you are - go play in your sandbox with your raghead friends - and try Labour Home - more your speed.

45govt said...

"what a scaaaarrry man houdini is!"

Thud - fear not - he keeps getting away, but finally drowns in his own lockbox - the cunt.

Anonymous said...

"Gaza is a concentration camp", says OH, and he goes on to prove this assertion by observing that you can't fly to Gaza and there is no port there. I believe him, based on pure logic.

1) You could not fly to Auschwitz or Dachau and neither place had a port.

2) Auschwitz and Dachau were concentration camps.

3) Therefore, Gaza is a concentration camp.

QED

...Person of Choler

Houdini said...

...and surprise, surprise I'm not -you are the fourth rate wannabe hardman I thought you were, with shit for brains, and with no understanding of either debate or the issues.

Wannabe hardman? I haven't threatened you or anyone else. Is this to avoid debate?

Your refusal to repost your brain-dead puerile fuckfest from Guido says it all,

I did above.

So you are, and everyone else no doubt. Childish asswipe that you are - go play in your sandbox with your raghead friends - and try Labour Home - more your speed.

So still nothing to say about the actual issue and points raised, except of course to continue licking arse? Thought not.

Thud - fear not - he keeps getting away, but finally drowns in his own lockbox - the cunt.

I've raised many issues that you and others have failed to answer or debate, pity really.

All these posts here on OH and still nothing to further the debate at all, apart from licking up Staines arse.

Houdini said...

what a scaaaarrry man houdini is!

Am I?

Thud said...

no..only in your own twisted little world...in reality a typical gobshite.

Houdini said...

So fuck all to say on the points made then? You, you fucking cretin, said I was scary, I didn't claim it.

Typical gobshite and cunt of the first order.

I wish all you fucking been nowhere done fuck all twats would look at what was actually said instead of the fucking rabid fantasy you wish we had said. Mind you you are all devoid any reasoned argument even when it is put to you.

Cunts all.

Tomrat said...

Houdini (before OH shuts down completely),

"Israel exists on handouts, regardless of the claims of a successful economy."

Then their is a simple solution; abolish all handouts to Israel AND Palestine; as a libertarian I dont believe we should be giving money to anyone other than what I choose to hand over voluntarily.

"Cretins like you must also believe that British soldiers are sent to Iraq and Afghanistan with the express understanding that not a single one will be hurt isn't that right?"

No it is not right, and Iraq and Afganistan are completely different theatres, with different histories and different politics involved. For the record Afganistan I agree with, Iraq I dont; I try to avoid the swivel-eyed moron arguements that state if you are for war you are for all wars.

If Israel gains complete peace they lose immediately $4billion in military aid alone...

Right, before taking another step think about what you are writing first - Israel gains peace...Israel loses the need to sustain its military commitments...Israel loses military aid! Wow! Lightbulb!

So Hamas had superiority all along! all they had to do was renounce violence, recognise Israel and initiate trade to practically cripple the country.

Wonderful how you make no mention to how Israel's international aid compares to that of the Gazan's or West Bank, or an attempt to figure out where most of it has ended up (hint: in the private bank accounts of PLO, Fatah and Hamas frontmen).

Light bulb anyone?

...Then they would have to consider Syrias (*Tom: Syrias infers the plural, i.e. many Syrias, you should use Syria's*) claim to the Golan Heights, and so on and so forth.

Syria lost the Golan heights for a very simple reason; they used it for military advantage and the passing of UN Security Council Resolution 242 in the aftermath of the Six Day War, when several arab nations rose up against Israel to exterminate it and failed, removed their right to that territory:

Israel asserts its right to retain the area under the text of United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, which calls for "safe and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force"

The Golan heights allowed Syria to bombard the Israeli's incessantly and indiscriminantly. Not anymore.

Its funny that you bring attention to one situation where UN council resolutions allowed Israel to defend itself by seizing land...I can think of a few more recent examples....

OH,

Sorry to hear you are leaving us; my views on Israel is one of the only areas I've disagreed with you on.

Thud said...

houdini....I still think you are scary...smart too!

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