Sunday, 4 January 2009

Simple. Sorted. Next!

Throwing shoes at Gordon Brown is not going to bring peace to the middle east - unfortunately

Firing home made rockets at waste ground is not going to bring peace to the middle east.

Keeping 1.5 million people in a prison camp with F-16's, tanks and Apache helicopters is not going to bring peace to the middle east.

As I think we can all agree that Israel is not going to change Judaisms claim to be God's chosen people and Israel to be God's Land, so we will need another solution.

Here it is -

Oil exporting countries. Export not one more drop to ANYONE until BOTH sides have an agreement and are happy with it.

Western Governments - Not ONE PENNY for any bank, credit institution or Hedge Fund bailout until BOTH sides have an agreement and are happy with it.

Consumers - Don't pay your credit card bill this month until both sides have an agreement and are happy with it.

Sorted. Watch how fast.


Ampers said...

From my own blog...

The Middle East

As I see it, there can be only one solution to bring peace to the Israeli and Palestinian population.

* Lets begin by analysing the present Israeli solution. Put very simply, it is not working.

* Let us now cast our mind around the world for a similar problem in the past where hitting hard incensed the minority population and by doing so, the aggressor acted as a recruiting sergeant for the minority. We don't have to look far... Britain versus The IRA.

* Let us now assess what happened when Britain stopped over-reacting, improved security and just went after the individual bombers. After a couple of decades peace broke out.

Mmmmmm... not rocket science is it?

I am certainly not anti-Israeli, or pro-Palestinian. But neither am I anti-Palestinian or pro-Israeli. But I hate Hamas with the same fervour as I hate all politicians all over the world.

When speaking to a Palestinian in London recently, one who has now settled in Britain and has no wish to return, we had a long discussion on this subject and finally came to the conclusion, jointly, that it was six of one and half a dozen of the other!

The Israelis need to change their whole approach to the matter but this will not be possible as long as they retain their particular brand of proportional representation. It is geared up so that the right-wing minority war-mongers always retain a strong hold of the country.

Rather than using any of their jets and tanks, they need to develop a guerilla army, akin to our special forces, and to be on constant alert so that when a rocket is fired into Israel, they take out the gunners with a surgical strike. If they spend their military budget mainly on intelligence, security and special forces for this situation they may get more value for their American dollars than wasting it on great numbers of tanks and jets.

They also need to offer to rebuild Palestine once there is ever-lasting peace and offer work for all the inhabitants. This will have no immediate effect but as Arab babies start to grow towards adulthood, and only the war mongers are attacked, that could be the beginning of a change of attitude towards the Israelis.

There is no immediate solutions but if they adopted the methods Britain adopted with the IRA problem, they could begin to see a change within twenty years.

I will leave you with one last thought. Hamas wanted this. They are run by the Iranian government and however much many in the West may despise the Iranian government, they are not stupid.

Think of this – Israel is approaching its general elections. Any Israeli government needs to be strong with military might. So Hamas knew if they attacked Israel with rockets just before an election, the incumbent Israeli government will hit back hard, very hard, as the Prime Minister seeks to impress his voters.

You must ask cue Bono?, “who benefits?”. There are two people who benefit. On the one hand we have the sitting Israeli government, from the point of view of being re-elected, and on the other hand we have the Iranians, from the point of view of turning the world against their enemy, Israel.


PS The Americans will not stop supporting Israel as long as the politicians fear the Jewish lobby in Washington.

Mark Wadsworth said...

I think that the Israelis have learned that they will never have 'peace' in the usual meaning. They just have to balance the respective costs and benefits of the occasional military incursion into Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon with being bombed by terrorists.

As the only rational actors in the whole matter, I think we'd best leave it up to the Israelis to make these decisions. They've been at it for three thousand years so far, and there's no end in sight any time soon.

Obnoxio The Clown said...

Doesn't matter what anyone does to fix it, OH, it wouldn't last. It never does.

Anonymous said...

Or we can let Iran develop a nuke and let them solve the problem once and for all. Good luck to them.

Anonymous said...

Stop playing with fireworks then.

Trixy said...

Why would anyone throw shoes at Brown. What a fucking waste.

In your list of funding, also include governments in that. Because we the British tax payer fund Hamas so they can buy rockets from their pals Terry Taliban.

However, I think I'm going to be more cynical than you and say that when it's religion at war (when fucking isn't it) it's more tricky to solve.

I like the big wall idea.

Tomrat said...


Fair commentary, few points:

- The English/IRA conflict was different in that the IRA's campaign was for an independant Ireland - Hamas' charter considers Israel land waqf - Islamic land which can never remain in the hands of non-islamic peoples without Jihad being waged on it.
And what methods are you saying the Israeli's should take from the British troubles? As far as I can tell it was a rout of the British instituted by replubican thugs who then got to play politician whilst their underlings set themselves up as organised criminals; thousands of legitimate prisoners who had maimed or killed scores of people were let free, the families left pissing in the wind.

- You are right; Israel is used as a recruiting sergeant for Islamic terrorism in the area, but it takes no further part in that recruitment; its very existence however is the call to arms, not its actions in defence of itself.

- Your comment on an effective intelligence agency in Israel seems to completely have ignored this salient point about Israel:

who are considered one of the best intelligence agencies in the world; leaving aside the obvious dubious methods they have no doubt used in the past you cannot fault them on their effectiveness in keeping terror attacks thwarted.

Their is only one solution to any of this and that is the single-state solution; Palestinians and Israeli's adopting single unified state, and killing, deporting or neutralising anyone who objects on both sides. This will mean the complete ejection of Fatah and Hamas as parties; they have squandered their goodwill on disrupting the political process for too long. It will mean closing and monitoring borders with Iran to stop insurgency and it will mean creating swiss-style cantons for the more passionate groups such as the ultra-orthodox jews or ultranationalist arabs.

To be fair to the Israelis they are already making steps towards this in the Knesset with Muslim members.

Ultimately education will be key; stopping Hamas from brainwashing kids would go a long way in the right direction.

Devil's Kitchen said...


I am afraid that you have also missed the economic aspect of the IRA situation.

When the IRA started their campaign for a united Ireland, the North was rather richer than the south: as such, they had the backing of southern politicians.

Over the decades, this changed and by the time that the IRA came to the table, Eire was considerably richer than the north (which is basically propped up by the Barnett formula these days, having lost all of its heavy industry).

The Republic of Ireland, therefore, was rather less keen to take on Northern Ireland and its massive Welfare Bill. As such, the whole idea of a united Ireland rather lost its lustre.

The IRA no longer had the backing of the south, and so coming to the negotiating table was a rational move for them.

Economics played as much of a part in that conflict as anything else.


Chris O'D said...

OH - any chance of knowing who actually finances CFOI is it only Ashcroft ?

Little Richardjohn said...


Why hasn't Mrs Dale threatened to ban you? You must be flagging.

You obviously know about Neturei Karta, but I thought you might find these pictures of the 'Clash of Civilisations' interesting.

AntiCitizenOne said...

My solution. The uncivilised paedo prohet followers lose.

Bye Bye Palis, noone ever liked you.

Hello Israel++.

it's either banned or compulsory said...

OH "Keeping 1.5 million people in a prison camp "
The Israelis don't keep them in prison camps, the Arab world does that.
The Gazan Arabs used to be allowed to work and trade in Israel but abused that privelege to murder and maim Israeli citizens and so lost it.
Your solutions OH are akin to trying to stamp out bullying by not taking sides in a schoolyard scrap because that might be 'judgemental'.

Damo Mackerel said...

Ambers... the British and IRA analogy is a very poort one. The IRA never wnated to wipe out Britain. The IRA was never supported by 99% of us Irish and the Irish Government never encouraged and funded attacks against the British.

The problem as I see it, is a clash of cultures. Western demcocratic Israel against (and lets face it) a 8th century theocracy middle eastern one.

Anonymous said...

Fuck off all of you. There's no Rabbi worth his salt that wants a state of Israel. Clash of cultures? don't be silly, everyone lived in perfect harmony untill 48.

Down with the Zionist terrorists.

Zionism = Marxism = communism.

Palestine today, us tomorrow.

Zionist godless cunts.

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