Monday, 15 December 2008

A Little Respect

I'll be honest. I've never had any time for violent conflict and as such have always considered the Army to be full of pompous officers and psycotic thugs, the Navy to be full of pompous officers and poofs and the airforce to be full of pompous poofs.

I certainly couldn't do what they do, because no fucker tells me what to do, but in recent years, I have grown to appreciate a certain type of human. I ask you to watch the following video, no matter what your views, and reflect a little. I certainly have.


Turn the sound down.

Please, get back here, all of you. You are needed. You do things I cannot, but I fear will be needed to be done. Here.
4 minutes of your time. And a little respect.

66 comments:

Thud said...

TIf i needed a reason to admire our soldiers...which i don't...the fact that nulabour despises everything about them would be enough to get me waving the flag for them.Inspite of the difficulties that todays not quite wars have brought the british army has when left to itself fought as well as it ever has.This performance is the cause of so much pain to nulabours most fervent followers as having to use such an imperfectly politicaly sound tool drives them crazy.

Old Holborn said...

All I know, is that we are going to need them to save us.

Which is why Gordon keeps sending them elsewhere, up godforsaken valleys to fight Bradford born "English".

Russia learned the hard way that the enemy within are capable of anything, including the slaughter of innocent schoolchildren. We are going to be taught the same lesson.

idle said...

Ex pompous army officer here. Or: pompous ex army officer - yep, that sounds more like it.

Well posted. The boys don't choose to be there.

William Gruff said...

' ... Bradford born "English".'

Bradford born Br*tish: There is nothing English about those swine, nor will there be for as long as they adhere to the murderous tenets of a faith that is entirely alien to the English way of life.

jane said...

This aint new, I have been emailed this before, I have a poem that has been sent to me via email, it is heart breaking, I would like to send on so at sometime I will post it on here, I never really gave a lot of thought to the military who gave their lives during ww1&2 because of the shite we now live in, But please remember those young men who would have said 'fuck you I aint gonna fight' if they knew what our country would amount to today,
My father in law, my uncles live impoverished lives and for what , to live in a country where they are frowned upon for their Patriotism and Christian beliefs.
All the men who lost their lives for this worthless country have been shit on BIG TIME

Chris said...

"There are families by the thousand, far too proud to beg or speak,
And they'll put their sticks and bedding up the spout.
And they'll live on half of nothing, paid them punctual once a week,
Cause the man who earns the wage is ordered out.
He's an absent-minded beggar, but he's heard his country call,
And his regiment didn't need to send to find him.
He chucked his job and joined it - so the job before us all
Is to help the home that Tommy's left behind him."

Who ever imagined Kipling would be relevant a century on.

Lord Elvis of Paisley said...

Get our boys back home!

Ampers said...

Well done OH, well done. And I admire someone willing to admit a mistake - you are not a politician and I claim my £5!

And Jane, you wrote: "I never really gave a lot of thought to the military who gave their lives during ww1&2 because of the shite we now live in,"

We live in this shite because the cream of our youth died on WW1 and WW2 and the skirmishes around the world that followed.

Daisy said...

i still remember when my uncle came back from vietnam and all of the shit people gave him for doing the job he was sent to do...i swore then as a young girl i would never forget...and i haven't...each year i send boxes over for the troups to get a little something of home...it's not much for all they do for me...but i don't ever forget...

Ampers said...

Daisy, if I were single I'd propose!

Old Holborn said...

You know things are really shit when cynical, miserable bastards like Guido and myself start tipping our hats to the Army.

And we do.

Anonymous said...

Straight up: what enemies do you imagine the army could fight over here?

We don't have Hamas, we have the Muslim Friends of Labour. It's a very British sort of coup.

If it does ever kick off, the first doors that'll get kicked in will be those of the registered gun owners.

jane said...

T'was the night before Christmas,
He lived all alone,
In a one bedroom house
made of plaster and stone

I had come down the chimney
with presents to give,
and to see just who in this home did live.

I looked all about'
A strange sight I did see,
No tinsel,no presents
Not even a tree

No stocking by mantle,
Just boots filled with sand,
On the wall hung pictures of far distance lands

With medals and badges
Awards of all kinds
A sober thought came into my mind,

For this house was different,
It was dark and dreary. I found the home of a soldier,
Once i could see clearly

The Soldier lay sleeping,silent and alone,
Curled up on the floor in this one bedroom home

The face was so gentle
the room in disorder
Not how I pictured
A fine BRITISH soldier

Was this the hero, of whom I'd just read, curled up on a poncho, the floor for a bed

I realized the families That i saw this night,
Owed their lives to these Soldiers who were willing to fight

Soon round the world, the children would play and grown ups would celebrate a bright Christmas day

They all enjoyed freedom,
Each month of the year,
because of the soldiers like the one lying here.

I couldn't help wonder how many lay alone on a cold Christmas eve, in a land far from home

The very thought brought a tear to my eye,
I dropped to my knees and started to cry

The soldier awakened, and I heard a rough voice
'Santa don't cry'
this life is my choice

I fight for freedom.
I don't ask for no more
My life is my God
My Country, My Corps

The soldier rolled over and drifted to sleep.
I couldn't control it, I continued to weep

I kept watch for hours,so silent so still,and we both shivered from the cold nights chill

i didn't want to leave on that cold,dark, night, this guardian of honour so willing to fight,

Then the soldier rolled over, with a voice soft and pure, whispered carry on Santa its CHRISTMAS day, all is secure

One look at my watch, and i knew he was right ,
Merry Christmas my friend,
And to all a goodnight

Mitch said...

My daughter has been out there twice luckily now on Cyprus and safe (for now).
I fukin hate Blair and Brown.

Oswald Bastable said...

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

-George Orwell.

deeply depressed said...

Well done OH and I claim my pint of Guinness now please.BTW the easiest and most appreciated way of saying thank you is a simple pint. A year ago sitting in a bar in Key West a table of US soldiers nearby on leave from Iraq had every song dedicated to them and every pint free from the customers, they certainty felt loved. The Politburo in Downing St are not worthy of cleaning their boots.

crackers said...

OH A timely damascene conversion. You would only survive in the army by doing what you were told and others in your command doing what you ordered them to do. Its how it works.

Film a little mawkish but essentially true.

Re Hooray Henry Officers and thuggish squadies. Yes and No.

Many officers are Hooray Henrys. Many lie in foreign fields. As a % a greater number than squaddies. They lead from front.

Nasty squaddies. Yes. Thats why we have the best soldiers in the world. In this PC effing world would we rather send the Mandelsons to defend us. War is nasty and ugly. Death is undignified. Battle is chaotic. These fellows fight for each other, for the platoon, the company and for Country.

Some are heroes many are like us and they do our dirty work. We are distant accomplices to their work, take the benefits but then shun them.

Shame on us.

Men such as Robert Nairac make one pleased to be a member of the human race. brown does not. Sorry to ramble on.

black hole sunset said...

OH, a better tune to go with your video (play in another window to get the sound)

Good stuff man.

Cato said...

Cheers OH

mikey said...

Get them all back, fuck off the pointless Queen, she is fucking useless and could have stopped this in it's tracks many months ago but apparently can't be arsed, House of Saxe-Coberg-Gotta right here, shitting useless. A brisk march on 10 Downing Street, cap snotty, job done.

Anonymous said...

A little mawkish, as others have said, but it certainly puts the inconveniences of our everyday lives into perspective.

Reading many of the comments here http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article5342926.ece it seems the American people and military appreciate our soldiers a hell of a lot more than our miserable government does.

OH, I think you're right. We're gonna need them all at home sooner or later if things carry on like this.

Anonymous said...

I notice at the end of the film shows the Yanks cheering their military home. Imagine doing that at Thiefrow?

Some jumped up lentilist or muzzy would complain about an 'infringement' of some fucking sort or another.

Paxo's interview last night also showed some of our military in a different light too.

Doing what many couldn't even contemplate.

Am now rambling.

Good post Holby.

Rob.

The Hitman said...

I've done my killing for this country,

but now I wouldn't piss on this fucking government if it was on fire.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5349036.ece

Our lads need pulling out of these shit holes,
You can't fight wars with sticks when your government is giving money to your enemy.

Cato said...

Just when you think it can't get any worse....it does.
Read this a fucking weep!!

http://the-morningstar.co.uk/?p=379

Anonymous said...

There is nothing to say other than utmost respect for the soldier out there.

Anonymous said...

Even if by a miracle we escape major civil unrest during the coming economic depression, the seismic demographic changes and resulting creeping Islamification of Britain will guarantee it in the next 20 years.

Thanks to decades of imposed multiculturalism and mass immigration, we are now a Balkanised nation. In the coming economic crisis there will be no Blitz spirit, no unifying sense of community. Just a New Orleans style every man and ethnic group for themselves.

idle said...

mikey @ 0812

Say that about the Queen in front of her soldiers and you will lose your teeth.

Anonymous said...

Kipling had it right on this, and also George Orwell when he observed that "we can only sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready to do violence on our behalf".

We forget these things at our peril - in every sense of the word.

Henry Crun said...

Great Uncle Sid - Tank Corps, Africa
Great Uncle Moller - Black Watch
Great Uncle Freddie - Merchant Marine
Great Uncle Woofie - Merchant Marine
Great Uncle Laddie - Royal Engineers

Five went, only three came back.

Because of them, we remember.

Anonymous said...

if you missed paxo on Newsnight last nite - check out iPlayer. Admiration for the interviewees knows no bounds

Daisy said...

awww ampers...how sweet...actually you might want to reserve that thought though...i can be difficult at times...

defender said...

My youngest boy did 3 tours in NI. He was a mess every time he came home on leave. Every incident reported in the press had me shitting it, was it my boy. He is still affected but he just cracks on doing what he can.
Compared to what our troops are going through now does not compare. The lads cracking on, the loved ones crapping it, the government wording platitudes.
They are ALL our sons and daughters cracking on, lions led by donkeys. Get them home.

Anonymous said...

William Gruff 15 December 2008 23:35

http://www.greenocktelegraph.co.uk/articles/1/30603/

"THREE hero soldiers from Inverclyde took on the Taliban in a dramatic 10-day firefight — and lived to tell the tale.

Stephen Lynn, of Port Glasgow, and Ally MacKinnon and Brendan Blyth, both of Greenock, were under siege from the Afghan rebels during a prolonged battle which raged in the lawless Helmand province from 14 to 23 August.

The trio of Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders were among a massively outnumbered group of 30 soldiers who faced a blitz of mortar and sniper fire from around 200 Taliban during a battle which is so infamous it has been given its own name — The Siege of Roshan Tower."

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article88661.ece

"OUTNUMBERED British soldiers killed 35 Iraqi attackers in the Army’s first bayonet charge since the Falklands War 22 years ago.

The fearless Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders stormed rebel positions after being ambushed and pinned down.

Despite being outnumbered five to one, they suffered only three minor wounds in the hand-to-hand fighting near the city of Amara.

The battle erupted after Land Rovers carrying 20 Argylls came under attack on a highway.

After radioing for back-up, they fixed bayonets and charged at 100 rebels using tactics learned in drills."

So what are these guys?

Ming said...

Oswald

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

-George Orwell.

JOHN STUART MILL

man in the street said...

Hoon was Defence Secretary at some point I seem to remember. He deserves the very same treatment meted out by the ragheads to the Forces when they are killed in action.

Personally I would prefer he be taken alive, tortured and made to send videos home disagreeing with the West's abysmal policy and it's execution.

Abdul al Hoon said...

I was that cunt!

microdave said...

There are pompous people in all walks of life, the difference is these go out and get killed. I've met some airforce personnel, both current generation, and WW2 veterans, and I feel rather humble as a result.

I don't generally have much time for the Yanks, but one 80-something ex USAF, addressed ME as SIR....FFS!!

I wonder what was going through Henry Allinghams mind when he struggled to lay a reef (sorry, wreath) at the Cenotaph recently. The sacrifices his friends made? And for what?

You're right OH, they're needed here. Can we hope that, just for once, they will protect Queen and Country - i.e. THIS country, not every other f**kers...

Show a little respect? No, SHOW A LOT.

Anonymous said...

This is the sort of neanderthal, knuckle dragging shit our Forces are being sent around the world to 'protect'.

bofl said...

Do not forget lads that mc brown was the chancellor that cut back defence spending.to get at tony bliar.........

such a man of courage.....

William Gruff said...

Anonymous, 16 December 2008 12:00

I don't understand your question, and from the report you've quoted I imagine that you didn't understand my comment, but I'd hazard a guess that the men described were Br*tish soldiers. What was your point?

You've clearly reacted strongly, and unthinkingly, to something I wrote and you haven't identified yourself as a Moslem. Was it the word 'English' that upset you?

K.McEgan said...

They are geting slotted so that someone in Vermont can get "cheap gas".Six generations of my family fought for this sh*thole of a country.I want at least one police scalp before I pop my clogs.

AngryDave said...

A lot of the guys i work with in the prison service (about 60%) are ex forces guys. Some faught the current conflict in the middle east, some faught the last, and some faught in Bosnia.
I have nothing but respect for these guys and what they do, and have to agree that our guys should be brought home now. Especialy now Gordon has seen fit to give hundreds of millions of pounds to the fucking enemy.
No more of our soldiers should have to die for that prick.

electro-kevin said...

There is a reason why the troops have been sent hither and tither ... and why the British public have been disarmed.

Ellis said...

Oh puhleeze. This is getting more and more like the rednecks on freerepublic every day.
Next you'll be putting "Thanks, Fire Brigade !" banners out on your rooftops when it rains. We are not America. And we can do without their mawkish emoting. If Farkam hall is armed, what the farq do you need others to do your dirty work for ?

insomniac said...

What I used to see as pomposity or thuggishness I am now beginning to recognise as strength of character and natural combativeness when transformed by service discipline. Society has become so feminised that many people have forgotten how to value men who are prepared to risk death, and indeed kill if necessary, to defend their own.

As for Millwall's finest (Anon 13.54), I've seen worse: many squaddies are cut from the same cloth. Don't despise the white working man just because he doesn't meet your own elevated standards of sophistication and taste.

insomniac said...

Ellis 16.10: Since the 1920s it has been a typical reaction of the Righteous Left to castigate any manifestation of respect, admiration or gratitude as 'mawkish emoting'. Far better to sneer; then at least no one can call you a redneck or a bourgeois or a philistine.

Ellis said...

@imsomniac 16:33.
Sneering it wasn't, but you can view it that way if you wish. Still doesn't address the fundamental point - if you believe in the right to bear arms, in order to sort your own problems out, because no state-inspired body can, then why concern yourself with any such body ?

Anonymous said...

Beyond the sentimentalism I'm kind of wondering in what way you hope they'd be useful here?
The yanks are re-assigning 30 000 troops "for use at home". Considering they have increased detention facilities there, one can only speculate what kind of "use" they would be put to. The main practical purpose of troops in their home countries historically is mainly to quash dissent of people labeled as "Anarchists" by the state.

wv: nonmen !

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous 16:44.
America is a highly militarised society. Using troops "at home" carries nowhere near the connotations - for them - that it might elsewhere.

Anonymous said...

William Gruff @ 16 December 2008 14:29

The soldiers mentioned my post @ 12 were Scots. Like the vast majority of us, we are Scottish, British and proud.

You mentioned British in your post as some sort of slur.

Here is a link you may wish to view:

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/

It shows that us Scots as well as the Welsh and the Irish have served the British Armed forces with courage and distinction.

bofl said...

VORSICHT!

Germany 1933 really has arrived in the uk............

http://www.abcd-ndc.org.uk/press_publicity/index.php?pid=139

mad manc cunt said...

Two best mates were squaddies in the nineties. Both nutters. Loved it when they were on leave and brought a load of their mates with them to Manchester. I'd be hungover for a month after they went back. Normally had black eyes and a busted head too, fuckers loved fighting!

Bob said...

One of the reasons I was in the UK and able to meet you at the Chandos was to pick up my Grandfather's medals.

Nothing special, a WWI 'set' but places of interest included the Somme, N. Africa and Gallipoli.

He was on exercise in the summer of '14, away from home, and didn't get back until 1919.

He drove a horsedrawn ambulance and could apparently take a leg off in five seconds. He took a Luger off a Germam officer surrendering to him.

Having some experience of the Army he has my utmost respect just for having survived in one piece, mentally and physically.

Any decent squaddie will always get a pint off me.

Katabasis said...

Another great video - and song - on the same theme:

Hands Held High

Anonymous said...

Save us? Oh fuck off you silly cunt. Who will save us from them, when the government decides that we are a nuisance - when we've had enough of this fucking PC police state that we exist in?

Fuck all soldiers, they are fighting for corporations - not me, or you - mercenary bastards who take pride in being told what to do.

They get no respect from me, for fighting an illegal war for the benefit of criminals.

And before anyone starts, i'm not referring to the men drafted in WWi/WWii or Vietnam, those poor bastards had to fight.

I don't sleep easier in my bed because a bunch of arseholes are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. No one from either country was or is a threat to me. My government is my terrorist.

Anonymous said...

Anon 19:06
I can agree with your statement 'My government is my terrorist'. I can also agree that both the 'liberation' of Iraq & the invasion of Afghanistan are illegal wars. Wars that I marched against, as did a million people I believe, but NuLabour under Miranda Blair were hellbent on sucking up to the drunk in the White House - so we had war. The troops have no choice they go where the (mis)government sends them & they go bravely & they fight their best & under-equipped by people not fit to shine their boots & under-manned by the same people, they may well die. For that I think they deserve respect. And maybe I'm taking a romantic view here but I don't think they would kill British people, even under orders. I thought this song was rather nice too, again it's American personnel but it could just as well be British.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MD5lLV7bHSo

ScotsToryB said...

A little respect, if only.

OH, I agree with a lot of your sentiments but I do not agree with your policy of showing videos of beheadings or the results of same without a clear warning. If you believe that is a way to bring people around to your way of thinking I want to be the first to stand proud and say: you should be ashamed of yourself. I know this is at least the second video you have done this with and I say, I am disgusted at following your link and being, not forced,
but led to believe that the video is making a point that you think is better realised in film than words and then being presented with the death of Anyone.

Stop.

It is as simple as that.

If you want to make a point do it, I have read your blog probably from day one, you do not need to do this.

I know it happens. I do not want, need or expect to have it rubbed into my face 2/3rds of the way through the movie.

Methinks, perhaps, Sir you have been overcome by the sad comments that have recently been posted on your site and lost all form of civilisation that you initially expressed: it is better perhaps to kowtow to the Sun worshippers
than gain the respect of the decent people(yes, me) who believe that you and I can overcome this obnoxious government by argument.


Draw back a minute: do you really want society to accept that the way to produce a civil society is to demonstrate the depths of thatsociety?

I despair.

STB.

Ellis said...

And far be it from me to be a follower, but I second STB.
You done got it wrong this time OH.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous @ 16 December 2008 19:06

You ask any squaddie privately who Iraq and Afghanistan and they will tell you they are not fighting for Queen and country but for the honour of the regiment.

To call them a bunch of arseholes is bang out of order. Blame the government by all means but not them.

Old Holborn said...

Ellis, STB,

Read my strap line again.

You have every right to disagree wth me and have used it.

I don't care if I'm the only person who reads my shite, just as I didn't care if I was the only person who marched on Parliament on November 5th dressed as Guy Fawkes.

I don't write my shite to make friends. In fact, the opposite is true.

If you have a problem with that, may I offer you a full refund.

Bridge said...

Say what you want about the troops, the fact is they do a job that most of us are too fucking soft to do.

Christmas salute for the boys and girls. Come home soon.

Daisy said...

OH...just so you know...if i had known about the mask thing earlier...instead of the 10th...i would have joined you...i love a good protest (even when it is not supposed to look like one) and the chance for arrest...

Emigrating said...

Same old story, the money never go's to the front line.

it ends up here.

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Not Landrovers or boots.

it's either banned or compulsory. said...

Great post OH, the public honouring and congratulating of Servicemen is an American habit that we would do well to emulate.
At least they will return from the two illegal policing actions battle hardened for what is to come. Still got my Dads wartime medals.

Emigrating said...

Don't we normally follow what the USA do?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/army-strategic-shock-report-says-troops-may-be-needed-to-quell-us-civil-unrest.html

Nail on head.

Fat Squaddie said...

OH,

I wanted to wait for the rest to finish before commenting.

First of all, great post. If this is the general view shared by the non-Neue-Arbeit MOPs out there then I am humbled and honoured by the good will directed at fairly ordinary men and women like me. At one point it seemed to get really quite dusty in the room...

I feel that I must put my view across as an ordinary squaddie.

I do not consider myself to be a hero. Not many squaddies do. Even those of us that we ourselves consider to be true heroes do not hold themselves as such. They see themselves as someone who is just doing a job. It may not be fun all the time and it can very often be thankless and unsupported by the very people who are ordering us to do the job in the first place but the support of even one member of the public is worth more than any number of platitudes from the politicians. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

We do not trust politicians any more than the right-thinking public do. In fact, most of us would be more than willing to see Gordon face his own doom at the wrong end of a bunch of 5.56.

We have been fucked over many times by this government but you can only prod a sleeping lion so many times before you get a vicious reaction.

The question in my mind is which side of the fence will some other agents of civil authority end up on? Personally the council Stasi will be first up against the wall. Closely followed by the H&S nazis. The plod will have to make up their mind sharpish....

A man can but dream.

FS

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