Saturday, 1 November 2008

Tom Harris MP pokes a hornets nest

A filthy publicly funded lying blob of camel spunk

"The vast majority of your fellow citizens believe we live in a free country, where we are free to express our views, free to demonstrate against the government, free to read others’ opinions in a free press, protected by a robust framework of rights. And they’re right."

UPDATE: 1 down, 645 to go

Now I'm really angry. Get your arses over to Tom Harris's blog and tear him a new one.

Let me quote from the 2006/2007 report by Privacy International just to jog his memory a little.

The UK is now joint 1st place as the most surveilled country in the world, alongside Russia, China, Singapore and Malaysia.

Click the link below for detailed report.


World leading surveillance schemes
Lack of accountability and data breach disclosure law
Commissioner has few powers
Interception of communications is authorised by politician, evidence not used in court, and oversight is by commissioner who reports only once a year upon reviewing a subset of applications
Hundreds of thousands of requests from government agencies to telecommunications providers for traffic data
Data retention scheme took a significant step forward with the quiet changes based on EU law
Plans are emerging regarding surveillance of communications networks for the protection of copyrighted content
Despite data breaches, 'joined-up government' initiatives continue
Identity scheme still planned to be the most invasive in the world, highly centralised and biometrics-driven; plan to issue all foreigners with cards in 2008 are continuing
E-borders plans include increased data collection on travellers

England & Wales

Inherited constitutional and statutory protections from UK Government and many of the policies
National policies are not judged, e.g. Communications surveillance, border and trans-border issues
Councils continue to spread surveillance policies, including RFID, CCTV, ID and data sharing, road user tracking
Few democratic safeguards at local government level, even though local government may be more accountable to electorate because of smaller numbers, decisions do not appear to be informed by research, prototyping


Inherited constitutional and statutory protections from UK Government and only some of the policies
National policies are not judged, e.g. Communications surveillance, border and trans-border issues
Stronger protections on civil liberties
DNA database is not as open to abuse as policy in England and Wales
Identity policy is showing possibility of avoiding mistakes of UK Government
Scottish government appears more responsive and open to informed debate than local governments in England

Then we have the databases. UKLiberty tells us these are just the major ones, there are loads more public sector databases:

ContactPoint is to record our interactions with state agencies from the day we are born until we are 18;
the National Identity Register takes over at 18 15 and 9 months (even earlier if the child is given a passport), recording our names, addresses, and so on, as well as every interaction that requires us to prove our identity (from collecting a parcel at the Post Office to getting a new job to using non-emergency health care to crossing international borders) - also we will each be assigned an identity number, which will be used as an index in other databases (that is, if I am 10365 in the NIR, someone could draw together all the data on 10365 from all the other databases to find out everything about me - precedent suggests this isn't a good idea);
the Department for Work and Pensions Longitudinal Study links tax, social security, benefit, pension, ISA, TESSA, PEP information with names and addresses;
the Intercept Modernisation Programme is to record every detail of our communications (except for the content, probably only because this would be practically impossible), who we talk to, when, for how long, and using what (see Article 5 European Data Retention Directive);
the ANPR is to record all our vehicle journeys nationally and the PNR (see also this and this) is to record all our international journeys (currently its just journeys by air);
the NHS medical records database, with our names, addresses, medical issues, health care workers etc;
the CRB database and the Independent Safeguarding Authority database, which not only have details of our proven convictions (which I have no problem with) but also unsubstantiated allegations;
the National DNA Database, which is recording the DNA of not only convicted criminals and suspects, but also innocent people including volunteers and witnesses, along with other details.

All adding up to an almost complete picture of our lives - and all for our own good, of course.

(Please see also Joining the Dots.)
In the years 2009 and 2010 all the major government IT projects will see the completion of some, and limited roll out of others but they all come together in 2010.Immigration Passport Service interrogation centresThe upgraded National DNA Database 2010,The upgraded National Fingerprint Database 2009,The Children's Fingerprint Database 2009,The upgraded Police National Computer 2009,All e-Passports 2009,The National Number Plate Recognition System project 2009,Employment systems 2009,The enhanced Police National Computer/Interpol link system 2009,MI5's Scope project 2010,The Home Office C-Nomis project 2009,The Children's Register Contactpoint 2009,Terminal 5 at Heathrow 2008,Phase II Home Information PackS 2008,The e-borders system 2009,The DWP Customer Information system 2009,The NHS NPfIT 2010,The European SEPA (Single European Payment Area) project 2009/2010and many more unnamed or secret projectsThis all happens at the same time as the final ratification of the European Constitution Lisbon Treaty 2009 (after they have forced Ireland to vote again), just before the European Parliament Elections 2009

Then we can look at a list of only some of the 26,000 new draconian laws and 3000 new criminal offences introduced during the past 11 years.

You tell us what kind of Britain is Brown and the EU building. Remember that all of this has been done with the collusion and agreement of the Conservative and LibDem Parties who in the main voted for the legislation listed below.

A summary of the principal legislative sources of the erosion of rights and freedoms in Britain becomes cumulatively chilling.

This entirely excludes all of the procedural shifts which facilitate the huge expansion of CCTV. I have avoided entering commentary on the shift in the Zeitgeist and the obfuscation which has permitted a general public acceptance (and even support)of such cumulative repression.
Further commentary can be found with the intelligent use of Search engines. Preferably other than Google if you want to keep your browsing habits untracked.
Do not forget that the information collection for marketing purposes by Corporate institutions, whether Google or Tesco, is a further part of the erosion of the liberty of action with unseen monitoring or intervention.
CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND PUBLIC ORDER ACT 1994Abolishes a suspect's right to silence (by permitting Courts and Juries to draw inference from a suspect's refusal to disclose matters to the Police at the time of arrest.
POLICE ACT 1997Allows the police to break into property and install electronic surveillance.The chief constable can make such authorisations.
The occupier of the property need not be under suspicion of a crime. The decisions can be taken without a warrant. (Sections 91 to 108)
CRIME AND DISORDER ACT 1998First facilitation of ASBO's and the conception of causing Harassment, which makes everyday perfectly legal activities illegal for the target subject.
Distress or Alarm. Introduction of Parenting Orders and Curfews on Offenders released on Licence.
IMMIGRATION AND ASYLUM ACT 1999Among other matters, facilitating the establishment of Detention Centres.
TERRORISM ACT 2000Definition of "terrorism" close to catch-all..The government can proscribe organisations or persons without having to prove that they have committed any offence.REGULATION OF INVESTIGATORY POWERS ACT 2000Authorises Surveillance and disclosure of Communications largely without warrant.Authorities able to do so range from any Police Force to include any Local Authority and the FSA. (now extended to over 700 organisations).FOOTBALL (DISORDER) ACT 2000Enables courts to place banning orders on people, prohibiting them from travelling when a football match is on, without proving they committed an offence.
Allows the police to prevent a person without a banning order from leaving the country if the police have "reasonable grounds" for believing the person may cause trouble at a football match.HEALTH AND SOCIAL CARE ACT 2001Enables the Health Secretary to authorise disclosure of confidential patient information to anyone he chooses if he believes it is in the public interest or will improve patient care.
ANTI-TERRORISM, CRIME AND SECURITY ACT 2001Allows government departments and public bodies to disclose confidential information to police forces for the purposes of investigations of any crime anywhere in the world.
Permits the Home Secretary to certify any foreigner as an "international terrorist" if he/she decides that they are a risk to national security.
Terrorism is defined as in the Terrorism Act 2000.Section 29 prevents courts from challenging the detention of foreigners under sections 21 – 26,.
SOCIAL SECURITY FRAUD ACT 2001Officials authorised by local councils and the Department of Work and Pensions can demand that banks, credit card companies, utility companies, any company providing financial services and phone companies hand over any data they think is necessary for the purposes of preventing or detecting benefit fraud, without a warrant.
These officials can also demand that telecommunications companies tell them who owns a particular account, when given only a number or electronic address associated with the account, again without a warrant.THE PROCEEDS OF CRIME ACT 2002Under this Act, the Criminal Assets Recovery Agency is set up and in Part 5, it is given the power to seize a person's assets via civil procedures in court. (now updated to allow police to seize assets and bank accounts BEFORE charge or conviction).
This law applies civil proceedings to a dispute between the state and an individual, with the state as the adjudicator.ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR ACT 2003Extends the thinking behind ASBOS and includes premises closure,obligations on landlords, parenting orders, dispersal of groups, public assemblies (the 1986 Public Order definition of an assembly reduced from 20 to 2).EXTRADITION ACT 2003Part 2 - unratified treaty with USA. No prima facie evidence required for extraditions from the UK to the USA, but still required for USA to UK extraditions.
Part 1 of the Act implements the similar European Arrest Warrant extraditions.
There is no requirement for evidence to be heard before a UK Court.Also refer to the Home Office website.THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACT 2003Facilitates the elimination of Juries from complex fraud cases.Removes "double jeopardy". Permits hearsay evidence.
THE CIVIL CONTINGENCIES ACT 2004Authorises any cabinet minister to make "emergency regulations" Emergency regulations may make any provision that can be made by Royal Prerogative or Act of Parliament.....
the FIRST of the real shifts towards Enabling Act thinking.THE PREVENTION OF TERRORISM ACT 2005Under this Act, the government can impose "control orders" on anyone they suspect might be involved in "terrorism-related" activity.
The person subjected to a control order does not get a trial, is not charged with anything, and may have the evidence or accusations against them withheld from them or their lawyers.
Terrorism is defined as in Section 1 of the Terrorism Act 2000THE SERIOUS ORGANISED CRIME AND POLICE ACT 2005 Sets up the Serious Organised Crime Agency (SOCA).
All offences, no matter how trivial, are now arrestable, granting powers to obtain DNA, intimate samples, fingerprints and photographs of those arrested, to be retained on file regardless of whether the suspect is charged with or convicted of an offence. (Don't discard your cigarette butt).
Protesters, even a single protester, must apply at least 24 hours (and more normally 6 days) in advance for a permit to protest within 1km of Parliament, or any other designated place.LEGISLATIVE AND REGULATORY REFORM ACT 2006Originally drafted in terms which would have made this an Enabling Act, the diluted text with some safeguards introduced remains the second part of Enabling Act thinking.
By this, Ministers can, with minimal Parliamentary scrutiny, modify and enact regulations, interpretations, resources targeting and law.IMMIGRATION, ASYLUM AND NATIONALITY ACT 2006Further powers tor restrict the rights of immigrants and asylum seekers.
Sections 56 and 57 modify the British Nationality Act (1981) to permit the Home Secretary to deprive a person of citizenship or the right of abode.TERRORISM ACT 2006Further clarification of offences of glorification etc.Extends detention period. (currently 28 days, government planning further attempt at 42 days).
IDENTITY CARDS ACT 2006Well publicised. Read and weep.
I could go on, and on, there is just so much more, but for now it is clear that Tom Harris has trouble taking it all in. If I began to start listing all the abuses of the above legislation, being used for purposes other than it was designed then this posting would be so long......I could mention the Orwellian Newspeak introduced by NuLabour, I could mention the Targeted Messaging and propaganda, I could mention the perpetual war against an ever changing enemy, I could mention the big brother TV Licencing warning ads, I could mention that every Government department now encourages you to shop your neighbour, I could mention government sponsored health facists telling us what to eat and drink, how to live, I could mentioned a lost count of bans for things from fox hunting to smoking, I could mention local authorities using children to spy on parents, I could mention that we may no longer simply live by the rule of law, but by legislation for everything we do, legislation for everything we cannot do, and legislation for what we might do. No longer free thought, the state will do that for you.

So, Mr Tom Harris MP, when you look at what you have done and 1984 just what is it that you do not understand. Are you are so far removed from reality that you cannot see what harm you do.

If you read the book 30 years ago, and as you claim remember the ending, hear well the voices of the people, for they are speaking to you now, and they speak in anger.

No matter how you want to phrase it, YOU DO WORK FOR US, and you will listen

Massive hat tip to LPUK and IANPJ


Arkangel said...

I've left two or three posts on there in my alter ego. All he does is make smart-arsed retorts and won't even attempt to answer the questions. Much like the nasal miner really!!

Cunts with a capital 'C'.

Panopticon Britain said...

Right, next year, fuck sending books. We're going to send a full V costume to every citizen. We need it.

Snowolf said...

Some would suggest, and just to make it clear, I would NOT be one of them, but some would suggest sending an envelope with some talc in it.

As an aside; verification word: 'supsycle' is this the machinery involved in buying rounds when out drinking with mates?

defender said...

The 646 need a reality check bigtime.
OK, the book campaign is in place, we need to work on the next one.
646 has a ring to it methinks, could it become a symbol, something to represent the shit they are. A sign of derision, scorn, contempt and dishonour.
Perhaps we might see it popping up all over the place.

Old Holborn said...


Perhaps we might.

Old Holborn said...

Aw, Tom has started deleting my posts and no longer links my name to this blog. He's also calling the LPUK Fanatics.

Never mind. Nothing less than I expected

SaltedSlug said...

Can't imagine why he did that. :)

Billy Wallace said...

Gorden the engine sacked Thomas the engine for sucking up to Ruth the carriage last month,

you would think he'd be more sympathetic.

Anonymous said...

Nothing in your post refutes the truth of Harris' statement:

1.) Yes the UK is indeed nearly the most surveilled population on earth.

2.) Despite the above, everything Harris said it is accurate.


Oswald Bastable said...

Line up here for the implants- they ARE for your own good, you know, and you have nothing to fear if you are a law abiding subject...

mmm said...

Harris' majority is 10,832.
Glenrothes majority is 10,600.
If the JockNats take Glenrothes then Harris could worry – a lot; which is a good thing.

Houdini said...

Send them a copy of Brazil too, just for good measure.

geewiz said...

In 2001 there were 4,221 settlements in England with more than 100 residents. 3,460 of these had fewer than 10,000 residents, 761 had 10,000 or more residents.

Time to get people to distribute leaflets exposing the Labour scum in and around where they live. Even if it plants a seed of doubt then the job is done.

geewiz said...

Hmmmm... how much will Google and Facebook be paying the govt for our information?

geewiz said...

Fuck me, Sky news reckons 5000 people die every year from hospital infections in the UK and 30000 catch something or the other. Can't be right can it?
I'll take my chances with my witchdoctor in Zimbabwe.

I'll stop hogging the blog now.

electro-kevin said...

When you next advertise your 'ramble', Old Holborn - hadn't you better warn participants that you've radicalised the whole thing by your comment at 6.13 on Nov 1st over at Tom Harris ?

Not only have you radicalised it - you've alerted the authorities to boot !

I would have raised this issue with you discreetly by email had you deigned to respond to me when I gave you my address a little while back.

Old Holborn said...


My comments were designed to show this spitful little jockanese tosspot that we are not free.

He respnds by telling me he hopes the authorities will treat me badly.

I'm not the slightest bit concerned about my walk on wednesday. He is though.

Mitch said...

This cunts problem is he thinks he knows what he is doing(what are the entrance requirement for MP? oh yeh none) and that he will be there forever(not with that attitude)

When he is one of us again he will sing a different song.

fuchsia groan said...

I have left a couple of comments on his blog. What a piece of work he is. Typical of our NuLab ruling classes and their we-know-bestism. My NuLab cunt of an MP is exactly the same. They know what is coming, and they don't even pretend to care about public opinion anymore. They will take us all down with them before they are done though.
WV: touggly

fuchsia groan said...

Oh, and BTW, what an ugly fucker he is. Why is that? Why are all politicians ugly fuckers?

Yokel said...

Well, I tried to leave a few comments, one on the link in your post, OH, another in the same thread commenting on the non appearance of the original one, and one in his "we will have to disagree" non-post. None have seen the light of day. I wonder, just for the sake of idle conjecture, how many others he has censored?

Old Holborn said...

Plenty of my posts went missing over there. Fair dues, it's his blog, he can do what he likes.

I've only ever deleted one post in the history of my blog, but then again, no one pays me to blog, do they? Unlike him.

Sir Henry Morgan said...

Hahahahaha - I know where my nulab cunt lives - about 50 yds away from me. He wont be taking me down with him Fuschia - I'll be taking him down with me.

WV - outtee

defender said...

he said he would say something, a rebuttal I suppose, at 12 noon. Some thing must have cropped up to have delayed him.
Hope his chums havent had a word with him. oh dear, that would be awful for him.

Chalcedon said...

Saw a Youtube vid of a rozzer invoking the Terrorism Act to 'deal' with a chap who was taking pictures in the street. This is just a gross abuse of power and the use of a law against a citizen who was obviously not a terrorist. When will these idiots realise taking photos in a public place is not illegal? Aaaarrrrgggghhhh!

nightjack said...

nightjack here by wap. Im thinking that we the people need a 646 person database full of details. Between us we know all about them.

John Pickworth said...

Chalcedon said...
"When will these idiots realise taking photos in a public place is not illegal?"

When they (or their bosses) end up in court charged with abuse of powers... but that's not likely to happen these days is it? Until then they'll do what they please.

In a similar vein how come Police drivers cause (not always directly) one in every one hundred road fatalities... and yet there seems not to be the equivilent charge of 'corporate manslaughter' the authorities would use on a private organisation if their drivers were so unfortunate so often? Even Stockwell could be brushed off as a one-off unfortunate incident but killing 40 people a year? Huh!

Anyway, back on topic....

I'm seriously not impressed with Tom "the ostrich" Harris. I kinda like his blog, he writes well and covers an interesting mix of subjects but boy does he bottom out when it comes to the important stuff! Not only has the gutless wonder failed spectacularly to defend his corner but he's just made himself the poster child for the modern day "I was just following orders" when the day of judgement comes.... and it will Mr Harris, it will.

the hitman said...

Don't we love what these wankers are doing to our country,

they have not got a clue.

Anonymous said...

Hi,OH.Were any of the local press interested in the story of Harris's blog re the 1984 book?Would love to see a link to it,if so :-)

Tuscan Tony said...

He is a bit of a worry, this Tom chap. Not because he's a Machiavellian figure, secretly driving his voting flock into a cunningly set totalitarian trap, but because he is a credulous, well-meaning and honest fellow who assumes everyone else is, like him, decent and uncomplicated. A very disturbing person to have in a position of power, to say the least. Interesting, thanks.

Old Holborn said...


Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

Revolution Harry said...

Focussing on MP's is something of a distraction. They have very little real power (particularly with the increased powers of the EU) and are mostly lobby fodder. With all the main parties in agreement on so much it's worth asking where the consensus comes from.

I'm aware that most on this site are reluctant to consider a conspiracy aimed at creating a one world government or New World Order as Gordon Brown described it in his speech to Mansion House in 2007. On the Tom Harris thread someone mentioned the Fabian Society of which Harris himself is a member. All serious researchers into the NWO have cited the Fabians as one of the major components of the network of groups and secret and semi-secret societies involved in the conspiracy. Even if you don't subscribe to the NWO theory you need only look into the stated aims of the Fabians to see an underlying source of so much that is happening in Britain or indeed other parts of the world. Following is some extracts taken from an article posted on a very interesting site I think all commenters here would find interesting. The article itself is written by an American Libertarian:

The Fabians have been, throughout their history, political and social chameleons who have, through stealth and deception, changed their outer skin to infiltrate every political, social and educational institution around the world, particularly in Great Britain and the United States. Speaking of chameleons, the primary symbol of the Fabians is a "wolf wrapped in a sheep's skin".

The Fabians, like all socialists, are completely dedicated to the centralization of all power, in all aspects of society and government. Their primary push has been to advance the idea that the power of government, The State, is the center of society.

Their "silent revolution" undermines a nation from within, deep within the bowels of the society in order accommodate a gradual, incremental transformation into a socialist society.

As many of you are surely aware Brown, Blair, Mandelson, the Millibands, in fact most of the NeoLabour hierarchy are all Fabian Socialists.

If anyone's interest is piqued by the above article can I suggest a couple more, sober, looks into the NWO.

I've yet to read the rest of his articles in the series but if these two are anything to go by then they should be worth it.

One last point can I say that any suggestions of violence (lamp posts, rope etc) are entirely counter productive and are exactly what all the 'anti-terrorism' legislation is really about. They intend to destroy what makes us a nation, destroy the middle classes and collapse our economy and more besides in order to weaken our resistance to submergence into the New World Order Gordon Brown (and Bush senior and countless others) spoke so enthusiastically about. Our resistance needs to be based upon non-compliance and educating as many others as possible in order to remove their power over us. It won't be easy and we need to be imaginative and dedicated but it is the only way. They are expecting and are ready for violence in whatever form it comes.

Revolution Harry said...

Can I just add that any serious political party HAS to have monetary reform at the heart of it's agenda. Although these articles are written about the Federal Reserve the system it replicated is the one that had operated in England (via the Bank of England) for centuries. God only knows what these criminals are cooking up behind closed doors as the present day 'solution to the (created by them) global banking crisis). Nothing you could ever suggest as a policy would have more of an effect than reforming the banking system (except perhaps leaving the EU which is also necessary).

Essential reading.

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